Fox News has really dropped all pretense of being non-partisan.

[Rockinacoustic]

Originally posted by: JD50
Someone has to balance the love affair the the MSM currently has with Obama.

Hehe

 

[kage69]

dur?

Help me out here. I can't tell from your curious little reply if you are disputing the wording I used, or the premise that FOX is the only one claiming to be "Fair and Balanced."

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: kage69

dur?

Help me out here. I can't tell from your curious little reply if you are disputing the wording I used, or the premise that FOX is the only one claiming to be "Fair and Balanced."

he is pointing out its TRADMARKED so yeah Fox is the ONLY OUTLET useing it.

 

[n yusef]

Read Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent.

FOX News, CNN, MSNBC, et al, are businesses, and businesses exist to make money. They have a product (their audience), which they sell to the market (advertisers). News content is a vehicle through which an audience is created and maintained; it is secondary to the profit motive. A world where ratings determined reporting wouldn't be as bad if the audience demanded in depth, unbiased journalism, but people don't want that. We want entertaining reductionism that conforms to our pre-established beliefs.

Many Americans would rather hear about the kidnapping of a pretty young white woman than the genocides that are occurring in other countries. Reporting is replaced with opinion shows which are high on entertainment, sensationalism and agreement, and low on depth (pundits are given just a few seconds to speak), data and debate.

Competition is good for consumers, so intelligent businessmen do their best to divide the market into monopolized segments. MSNBC gets the Lefties. CNN gets the Moderates. FOX News gets the Righties.

We all lose.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: n yusef
Read Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent.

FOX News, CNN, MSNBC, et al, are businesses, and businesses exist to make money. They have a product (their audience), which they sell to the market (advertisers). News content is a vehicle through which an audience is created and maintained; it is secondary to the profit motive. A world where ratings determined reporting wouldn't be as bad if the audience demanded in depth, unbiased journalism, but people don't want that. We want entertaining reductionism that conforms to our pre-established beliefs.

Many Americans would rather hear about the kidnapping of a pretty young white woman than the genocides that are occurring in other countries. Reporting is replaced with opinion shows which are high on entertainment, sensationalism and agreement, and low on depth (pundits are given just a few seconds to speak), data and debate.

Competition is good for consumers, so intelligent businessmen do their best to divide the market into monopolized segments. MSNBC gets the Lefties. CNN gets the Moderates. FOX News gets the Righties.

We all lose.

You know, I disagree with most of what you say, but this is pretty spot on. There is a lot of stuff going on in the world, and we never get to see most of it reported. I can understand leaving a lot out in the old 30-minute news casts, but when you have 24 hours to report news, you can squeeze more than "Iran sucks / No it doesn't" and "Obama is a socialist / Bush is Satan" onto your line up.

 

[techs]

I will consider other news organizations to be in the same league as Fox when they do what Fox does:

Has every single announcer repeatedly call the Democrats the Democratic Socialist Party all on the same day, and Republican politicians also do it at the exact same day.

When every single announcer spends their entire show criticising the Democratic Party and Obama.

When every network hires the top Republican from the Nixon years as their news director.

Yes, when I see MSNBC or CNN do this, then I will say they are the same.

But it hasn't happened it and won't.

 

[kage69]

he is pointing out its TRADMARKED so yeah Fox is the ONLY OUTLET useing it.

Ok, so it's the wording, gotcha, my apologies. Should have left it at 'slogan.' I know FOX tried to literally trademark it back in '98, but that met immediate resistance from a variety of journalistic organizations and as far as I know it's still in some legal limbo. FOX started referring to it as a motto I believe, but still went after Al Franken's book in '04 due to the use of the phrase in his book title. The judge in that case threw it out immediately as being completely without merit, even remarking that the FOX network was attempting to undermine the 1st Amendment.

So, apart from my faulty method of wording it all, should I assume that neither of you have a problem with FOX trying to trademark a common phrase which grossly misrepresents the reality of that network? Kinda smacks of fraud to me, but I guess YMMV.

 

[SilentRunning]

Originally posted by: techs
I will consider other news organizations to be in the same league as Fox when they do what Fox does:

Has every single announcer repeatedly call the Democrats the Democratic Socialist Party all on the same day, and Republican politicians also do it at the exact same day.

When every single announcer spends their entire show criticising the Democratic Party and Obama.

When every network hires the top Republican from the Nixon years as their news director.

Yes, when I see MSNBC or CNN do this, then I will say they are the same.

But it hasn't happened it and won't.

Never going to happen. So all the years of bashing the Republicans and Bush don't count, it has to be bashing the Democrats and Obama. That is just plain insane.

I would like to know who exactly the announcers on Fox News are because I haven't even seen an announcer on that channel.

 

[Red Dawn]

Only assholes watch Fox. BTW did you guys see O'reilly last night?

 

[SilentRunning]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Only assholes watch Fox. BTW did you guys see O'reilly last night?

And

Only assholes watch MSNBC. BTW did you see Mr. Tingle Leg, Mr. Washed-Up Sportscaster, and Ms. Washed-Up Air-America Gal.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: SilentRunning

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Only assholes watch Fox. BTW did you guys see O'reilly last night?

And

Only assholes watch MSNBC. BTW did you see Mr. Tingle Leg, Mr. Washed-Up Sportscaster, and Ms. Washed-Up Air-America Gal.

Whoosh, that's the sound of my post going over your head. You must be a Republican, you have no sense of humor.

 

[Fear No Evil]

And they DOMINATE the ratings. Which tells me that the other networks are clearly left leaning.

 

[XZeroII]

Amazing.

Replace 'Fox' with 'techs' and swap 'democrat' for 'republican' and the original post is completely accurate. Anyone else notice this?

edit: Not meant to be a callout or a personal attack. It was seriously the first thing that came to my mind after reading the OP.




As to the original post, I think that every network has it's biases. I don't watch Fox News at all but I've seen a few snippets at the Gym and didn't see any real bias. Granted I go to the Gym in the morning so I'm only getting a segment. I remember from a psycology class I took that people always tend to only see what they want to see. For example, you always notice the guy who cuts you off on the highway, but you never think about the times when you cut other people off. You always think that you are a great driver but everyone else is bad. This same mentality applies here.

I think that instead of just making a pointless rant about Fox, you should take the time to refute what they are saying in order to set the record straight using logical rebuttals.

Otherwise you're just looking for attention.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
I don't find CNN particularly biased towards the Republicans or the Democrats at all. In addition, the sheer magnitude of Fox's bias is so much greater than any of the other networks, MSNBC included, that it deserves special mention.

That must be why last night Wolf Blitzer and a reporter were reminiscing about how they jizzed their pants on the night Obama won. "Did you cry?" "It hasn't been that long since we had a president who was so fun to make fun of [sic]." "I haven't met the president yet, but if I do I would probably drop to me knees and polish his knob." lol yea, they are so neutral.

 

[sandorski]

MSNBC didn't exist before Fox News. Meaning: Fox News created a Bias that never exosted before it, MSNBC was a reaction to that. Neither channel should exist.

 

[SickBeast]

The media in the US is really odd.

My wife had NBC on this morning and her jaw hit the floor when she saw children's cartoons depicting modern political events, with characters reading scriptures from the Bible.

So much for the Smurfs.

 

[SilentRunning]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: SilentRunning

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Only assholes watch Fox. BTW did you guys see O'reilly last night?

And

Only assholes watch MSNBC. BTW did you see Mr. Tingle Leg, Mr. Washed-Up Sportscaster, and Ms. Washed-Up Air-America Gal.

Whoosh, that's the sound of my post going over your head. You must be a Republican, you have no sense of humor.

1. Your post didn't go over my head, but mine apparently went waaaaaay over yours
2. Wrong
3. Wrong

 

[NA1NSXR]

The only news program on FOX News classified as right of the voting majority by an independent study is "Special Report with Brit Hume", which is now hosted by someone else. Most of the conservative elements people complain about are opinion programs, where everyone knows the political orientation of the hosts. At FOX I only know of one liberal opinion host which is Geraldo but supposedly Alan Colmes will be getting back on TV.

Anyway, the charges of bias should only really be argued in cases where otherwise objective coverage has been tainted. From this perspective FOX does ok whereas MSNBC is horrendous.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: SilentRunning

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Only assholes watch Fox. BTW did you guys see O'reilly last night?

And

Only assholes watch MSNBC. BTW did you see Mr. Tingle Leg, Mr. Washed-Up Sportscaster, and Ms. Washed-Up Air-America Gal.

Whoosh, that's the sound of my post going over your head. You must be a Republican, you have no sense of humor.

SilentRunning got butthurt before he realized you were giving him a reach around :laugh:

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: NA1NSXR
The only news program on FOX News classified as right of the voting majority by an independent study is "Special Report with Brit Hume", which is now hosted by someone else. Most of the conservative elements people complain about are opinion programs, where everyone knows the political orientation of the hosts. At FOX I only know of one liberal opinion host which is Geraldo but supposedly Alan Colmes will be getting back on TV.

Anyway, the charges of bias should only really be argued in cases where otherwise objective coverage has been tainted. From this perspective FOX does ok whereas MSNBC is horrendous.

lolwut?

 

[Pocatello]

FOX is pretty smart, it's the only network for the conservatives on TV, while the other networks have to fight each other for the same group of liberals. Personally, I rarely get any useful news from FOX, but it's entertaining to watch.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Pocatello
FOX is pretty smart, it's the only network for the conservatives on TV, while the other networks have to fight each other for the same group of liberals. Personally, I rarely get any useful news from FOX, but it's entertaining to watch.

It's more the format and the intellectual levels of both liberals and conservatives. Conservatives don't exactly do 'high brow' well and liberals don't do 'low brow' well. That is why NPR is so popular amongst liberals. Liberals typically want information rather than entertainment when getting the news, whereas conservatives are driven less by intellect and more by emotion (mostly anger) and the need to stimulate that emotion from whack jobs like bill o'reilly/hannity'/beck. Facts take a back seat to passion. I really cannot envision a liberal version of bill o'reilly where the host screams at his guests and threatens to cut off their microphone.

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Pocatello
FOX is pretty smart, it's the only network for the conservatives on TV, while the other networks have to fight each other for the same group of liberals. Personally, I rarely get any useful news from FOX, but it's entertaining to watch.

It's more the format and the intellectual levels of both liberals and conservatives. Conservatives don't exactly do 'high brow' well and liberals don't do 'low brow' well. That is why NPR is so popular amongst liberals. Liberals typically want information rather than entertainment when getting the news, whereas conservatives are driven less by intellect and more by emotion (mostly anger) and the need to stimulate that emotion from whack jobs like bill o'reilly/hannity'/beck. Facts take a back seat to passion. I really cannot envision a liberal version of bill o'reilly where the host screams at his guests and threatens to cut off their microphone.

Stereotyping liberals as logic-driven intellectuals and conservatives as neanderthals is ridiculous. Both liberals and conservatives have smart, rational people, as well as blind idiots.

Back on topic: I don't get cable TV at home, but I'm visiting my parents today, so I turned on Fox News just to see what the uproar is about. Right now, Geraldo is anchoring coverage of the Iranian demonstrations. While not complementary towards Obama, it's not like he's calling him the anti-Christ either. They did give McCain some good screen time though.

Bizarre - They're showing Rev Al Sharpton, bastion of conservatism, talking right now.

Off topic: Is it weird that my first thought on viewing the rioters, is that there isn't a single burning American flag in view?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: tk149
Stereotyping liberals as logic-driven intellectuals and conservatives as neanderthals is ridiculous. Both liberals and conservatives have smart, rational people, as well as blind idiots.

Both the US military and Al Queda have Americans and Middle Easterners (remember John Walker Lindh).

Both Rap Music and the US Prsidency have white and black men (Eminem, Obama).

Stereotyping Al Queda as not having Americans, is ridiculous.

Bizarre - They're showing Rev Al Sharpton, bastion of conservatism, talking right now.

They love to show Sharpton because it hurts the Democrats. It's like the Democrats bringing up David Duke over and over and over as a national Republican figure.

They're not agreeing with Sharpton, most likely.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
I don't find CNN particularly biased towards the Republicans or the Democrats at all. In addition, the sheer magnitude of Fox's bias is so much greater than any of the other networks, MSNBC included, that it deserves special mention.

BFT