Fox News has really dropped all pretense of being non-partisan.

[squirrel dog]

Its all about money.Ratings equal ad dollars.I feel its only a matter of time before all news outlets become more objective in their coverage of BO.The softballs he gets from some outlets are a joke.McCain just gave his impressions of BO on face the Nation and siad he has done well overall,for what thats worth.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: squirrel dog
Its all about money.Ratings equal ad dollars.I feel its only a matter of time before all news outlets become more objective in their coverage of BO.The softballs he gets from some outlets are a joke.McCain just gave his impressions of BO on face the Nation and siad he has done well overall,for what thats worth.

Please give examples of cases you believe the news media has been biased in their reporting on Obama.

You do know that every president gets ridiculous softballs from the media, right? This has pretty much been the case since about... 1789 or so.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Oh please - MSNBC is kissing one cheek of Obama and CNN is kissing the other cheek.

I'm not saying Fox isn't unbiased certainly (far from it), but they most definitely weren't in bed with Bush the way the liberal media is with Obama.

On a scale of 1-100 (Liberal-Conservative) I would say that MSNBC is 25, CNN is 30, and Fox is 60-65ish. With this in mind, my opinion is based on evening and situational news, not on the opinion shows and stuff.

If I want fair news, I just go online read a bunch of articles off whatever is listed on Google news and form my opinion from there. Trying to watch the media is a lost cause on all sides.

I too can pull numbers on subjective issues out of my ass

republicans.txt

Wow - I haven't insulted a single person in this thread... its real cool that you have mastered the "ad hominem" logical fallacy -_-

I even stated that, in my mind, that is what it seems.

Glad to see on your magical made up scale that CNN is biased. Actual academic research on the subject shows otherwise. (as has been linked to in many other threads.)

Yea because "academic research" is never biased :roll:

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Carmen813
The more "news" I get from cable television, the less informed I feel.

Yes, but your life is enriched with the exposure to all the new products advertised.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Glad to see on your magical made up scale that CNN is biased. Actual academic research on the subject shows otherwise. (as has been linked to in many other threads.)

Yea because "academic research" is never biased :roll:

You're right, I guess we should just discount all research done for all of mankind's history because some have been biased. That's what peer review is for. Of course if you DON'T think that all academic research should be discounted, you're simply trying to discredit the studies that clearly (and repeatedly) show the media is not biased through vague insinuation.

The myth of the liberal media is a wonderful asset to conservatives. What the media doesn't understand is that conservatives will ALWAYS claim the media is biased against them no matter what they do. They have so cowed the mainstream media with these accusations that very few truly progressive voices are represented in mainstream publications, while hoards of conservative ones are. Do you see the Wall St. Journal going out of its way to hire conservatives like the NYT does? Of course not. Do you see Fox News adding a bunch of liberal opinion shows? Hell no. Yet the 'liberal' stations are covered with conservative opinion... but it's never enough. The shrieking always continues.

News flash CNN: It doesn't matter if you hire Lou Dobbs, it doesn't matter if you hired Glenn Beck, it doesn't matter how far you go out of your way to appease conservatives. They will accuse you of being biased against them until the day they die because it is an incredibly useful fiction.

 

[seemingly random]

I think one of the greatest mind-blowers for fundies is that jesus was a liberal. They will continue to deny this emphatically since it make their brains hurt. It's fun to witness.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: seemingly random
I think one of the greatest mind-blowers for fundies is that jesus was a liberal. They will continue to deny this emphatically since it make their brains hurt. It's fun to witness.

LOL - YUP, Jesus wasn't just a "liberal". He was one of the worlds most extreme leftwing liberal activists ever... Whether you believe the religious aspect or not, you cant deny the fact that he was extremely liberal.

LOL - then they say , "What would Jesus do"? As if it's anything conservative.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Glad to see on your magical made up scale that CNN is biased. Actual academic research on the subject shows otherwise. (as has been linked to in many other threads.)

Yea because "academic research" is never biased :roll:

You're right, I guess we should just discount all research done for all of mankind's history because some have been biased. That's what peer review is for. Of course if you DON'T think that all academic research should be discounted, you're simply trying to discredit the studies that clearly (and repeatedly) show the media is not biased through vague insinuation.

The myth of the liberal media is a wonderful asset to conservatives. What the media doesn't understand is that conservatives will ALWAYS claim the media is biased against them no matter what they do. They have so cowed the mainstream media with these accusations that very few truly progressive voices are represented in mainstream publications, while hoards of conservative ones are. Do you see the Wall St. Journal going out of its way to hire conservatives like the NYT does? Of course not. Do you see Fox News adding a bunch of liberal opinion shows? Hell no. Yet the 'liberal' stations are covered with conservative opinion... but it's never enough. The shrieking always continues.

News flash CNN: It doesn't matter if you hire Lou Dobbs, it doesn't matter if you hired Glenn Beck, it doesn't matter how far you go out of your way to appease conservatives. They will accuse you of being biased against them until the day they die because it is an incredibly useful fiction.

Now where did I ever say we should throw out all research done due to biased?

You are citing that people judged via research how Liberal or Conservative TV Shows were. How in the world can you possibly quantify that research? It is opinion based on the people conducting the research.

As for the "myth" of liberal media - I'm not sure who can determine it, but it certain seems that most people acknowledge that MSNBC and CNN (Perhaps not as liberal as it appears to me, but certainly left in some way shape or form) are both left leaning. People also acknowledge that Fox is right leaning. Left - 2 || Right - 1. Seems that the Fox is outnumbered 2:1.

As for hiring these analysts - I said I didn't know and therefore wasn't qualified to answer questions related to that. Honestly, I don't know who either of those people are, nor do I care to know what they political opinion is. I said in my main post:

With this in mind, my opinion is based on evening and situational news, not on the opinion shows and stuff.

I think one of the greatest mind-blowers for fundies is that jesus was a liberal. They will continue to deny this emphatically since it make their brains hurt. It's fun to witness.

In all the time I spend reading the Bible, I don't believe that politics was ever mentioned in there. Drop the religion from whatever argument you are trying to piece together here.

-Kevin

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: tk149
Stereotyping liberals as logic-driven intellectuals and conservatives as neanderthals is ridiculous. Both liberals and conservatives have smart, rational people, as well as blind idiots.

It's called suppy and demand. Of course there are smart and dumb people on both sides, but how much so? If conservatives were mostly smart (which they aren't of course), there would be a wholesale rejection of talk radio and fox news and more william f buckley's in the rightwing media.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYlMEVTa-PI

And if liberals were mostly smart, Michael Moore wouldn't be rich, and certain states wouldn't be in financial trouble. See how silly this is? It's much more accurate to say that half of all Americans are dumber than average - both liberal and conservative. You seem to be arguing that most conservatives are dumb, and that most liberals are smart. I disagree. I think you'd find a very similar bell curve distribution of intelligence for both groups. That is because I believe it is the underlying idealogy that is the fundamental difference between the groups, not intelligence or reasoning.

Also, many people have both conservative and liberal stances (e.g. one person can be pro-choice (abortion) but be opposed to nationalized health care). Is this person classed as a liberal or a conservative? Well, I guess it depends on how smart you think he is.

I do find that both liberals and conservatives tend to consider their own group smarter than the other. It's really quite sad because it leads to a false feeling of superiority and is counterproductive to intelligent debate.

I think George Carlin's quote is applicable here. It summarizes human nature quite nicely.
"Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?"

Anyway, sorry to go off topic.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
And they DOMINATE the ratings. Which tells me that the other networks are clearly left leaning.

I'd love to hear the logic behind that one.

Actually the logic is quite sound.

Its a simple fact that there are more left-leaning news sources than right-leaning - if you look beyond the Big 3, at any rate. However, there is a fairly even disbursement of liberals and conservatives in the country. Therefore - the liberals are spread over a larger level of news sources, whereas the majority of conservatives watch Fox. They don't get more ratings because they are better or more accurate - they get more ratings because there are fewer sources spouting their message.

It is painfully clear that Fox News has a decidedly right bias, just like it is painfully clear that MSNBC has a left bias. CNN I consider the "most center" of the three - although it leans left more often than right, but its still the closest to the center that we have right now.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Glad to see on your magical made up scale that CNN is biased. Actual academic research on the subject shows otherwise. (as has been linked to in many other threads.)

Yea because "academic research" is never biased :roll:

You're right, I guess we should just discount all research done for all of mankind's history because some have been biased. That's what peer review is for. Of course if you DON'T think that all academic research should be discounted, you're simply trying to discredit the studies that clearly (and repeatedly) show the media is not biased through vague insinuation.

The myth of the liberal media is a wonderful asset to conservatives. What the media doesn't understand is that conservatives will ALWAYS claim the media is biased against them no matter what they do. They have so cowed the mainstream media with these accusations that very few truly progressive voices are represented in mainstream publications, while hoards of conservative ones are. Do you see the Wall St. Journal going out of its way to hire conservatives like the NYT does? Of course not. Do you see Fox News adding a bunch of liberal opinion shows? Hell no. Yet the 'liberal' stations are covered with conservative opinion... but it's never enough. The shrieking always continues.

News flash CNN: It doesn't matter if you hire Lou Dobbs, it doesn't matter if you hired Glenn Beck, it doesn't matter how far you go out of your way to appease conservatives. They will accuse you of being biased against them until the day they die because it is an incredibly useful fiction.

Now where did I ever say we should throw out all research done due to biased?

You are citing that people judged via research how Liberal or Conservative TV Shows were. How in the world can you possibly quantify that research? It is opinion based on the people conducting the research.

As for the "myth" of liberal media - I'm not sure who can determine it, but it certain seems that most people acknowledge that MSNBC and CNN (Perhaps not as liberal as it appears to me, but certainly left in some way shape or form) are both left leaning. People also acknowledge that Fox is right leaning. Left - 2 || Right - 1. Seems that the Fox is outnumbered 2:1.

As for hiring these analysts - I said I didn't know and therefore wasn't qualified to answer questions related to that. Honestly, I don't know who either of those people are, nor do I care to know what they political opinion is. I said in my main post:

With this in mind, my opinion is based on evening and situational news, not on the opinion shows and stuff.

-Kevin

To say that the extensive research into media bias is a bunch of people sitting around judging how biased TV shows are is an insult to the work they have done. If you are interested in serious academic meta-analysis of media bias, you can find it here in this journal article.

If you read the abstract it will tell you all that you need to know, but the article itself is interesting. Basically it notes a tiny statement bias in favor of Democrats on the part of TV news that it views as so small as to be likely insignificant, and it finds a very tiny bias in favor of Republicans from newsmagazines and the like. Aggregate bias? Pretty much zero... and absolutely nowhere close to some sort of bias the likes of which you allege. Notably however, the data points in this analysis end pretty much exactly with the year Fox News emerged to 'combat the liberal media'. If any reasonable conjecture about future bias is to be made, considering Fox's large and ongoing bias, it would be that a conservative one has emerged.

So yes, when I say the 'myth' of the liberal media, I mean it. It doesn't matter how often ultra-right commentators say it, it won't make it true. It's part of a myth of persecution that modern conservatism uses.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
...

I think one of the greatest mind-blowers for fundies is that jesus was a liberal. They will continue to deny this emphatically since it make their brains hurt. It's fun to witness.

In all the time I spend reading the Bible, I don't believe that politics was ever mentioned in there. Drop the religion from whatever argument you are trying to piece together here.

-Kevin

When there is any mention of government, a tribunal, a ruler, a governor, etc. politics is involved either explicitly or implicitly.

From the mythology, christ wouldn't have been crucified if the politics had been different. Think about that. The stories would be different - or non-existent.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
...

I think one of the greatest mind-blowers for fundies is that jesus was a liberal. They will continue to deny this emphatically since it make their brains hurt. It's fun to witness.

In all the time I spend reading the Bible, I don't believe that politics was ever mentioned in there. Drop the religion from whatever argument you are trying to piece together here.

-Kevin

When there is any mention of government, a tribunal, a ruler, a governor, etc. politics is involved either explicitly or implicitly.

From the mythology, christ wouldn't have been crucified if the politics had been different. Think about that. The stories would be different - or non-existent.

What?! Are you reading the words that you are typing??

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
...

I think one of the greatest mind-blowers for fundies is that jesus was a liberal. They will continue to deny this emphatically since it make their brains hurt. It's fun to witness.

In all the time I spend reading the Bible, I don't believe that politics was ever mentioned in there. Drop the religion from whatever argument you are trying to piece together here.

-Kevin

When there is any mention of government, a tribunal, a ruler, a governor, etc. politics is involved either explicitly or implicitly.

From the mythology, christ wouldn't have been crucified if the politics had been different. Think about that. The stories would be different - or non-existent.

What?! Are you reading the words that you are typing??

I'm not a mind reader (don't know if you've been naughty or nice). What do you take issue with? Certainly, I haven't shattered your world...

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: n yusef
Read Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent.

Yes, because when I want legitimate social and political commentary I always look to a Linguist.

Chomsky's a hack.

ZV

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
...

I think one of the greatest mind-blowers for fundies is that jesus was a liberal. They will continue to deny this emphatically since it make their brains hurt. It's fun to witness.

In all the time I spend reading the Bible, I don't believe that politics was ever mentioned in there. Drop the religion from whatever argument you are trying to piece together here.

-Kevin

When there is any mention of government, a tribunal, a ruler, a governor, etc. politics is involved either explicitly or implicitly.

From the mythology, christ wouldn't have been crucified if the politics had been different. Think about that. The stories would be different - or non-existent.

What?! Are you reading the words that you are typing??

I'm not a mind reader (don't know if you've been naughty or nice). What do you take issue with? Certainly, I haven't shattered your world...

If the politics had been different maybe there wouldn't have been a WWII. If the politics were different, maybe 9/11 wouldn't have happened - I'm not sure what argument you are trying to make here.

First off Christianity is not mythology.
Second off, politics had 0 play into why Christ was crucified.

Trying to derive political ideology from the Bible and put a modern label on a Biblical figure is ridiculous.

-Kevin

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
...

I think one of the greatest mind-blowers for fundies is that jesus was a liberal. They will continue to deny this emphatically since it make their brains hurt. It's fun to witness.

In all the time I spend reading the Bible, I don't believe that politics was ever mentioned in there. Drop the religion from whatever argument you are trying to piece together here.

-Kevin

When there is any mention of government, a tribunal, a ruler, a governor, etc. politics is involved either explicitly or implicitly.

From the mythology, christ wouldn't have been crucified if the politics had been different. Think about that. The stories would be different - or non-existent.

What?! Are you reading the words that you are typing??

I'm not a mind reader (don't know if you've been naughty or nice). What do you take issue with? Certainly, I haven't shattered your world...

If the politics had been different maybe there wouldn't have been a WWII. If the politics were different, maybe 9/11 wouldn't have happened - I'm not sure what argument you are trying to make here.

First off Christianity is not mythology.
Second off, politics had 0 play into why Christ was crucified.

Trying to derive political ideology from the Bible and put a modern label on a Biblical figure is ridiculous.

-Kevin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R...for_the_death_of_Jesus

Responsibility for the death of Jesus

The primary sources for both inquiries are the Gospel accounts of the events leading up to the Crucifixion of Jesus, commonly called The Passion. In the Gospel accounts, Jesus is critical of the Pharisees, and causes a disturbance in the Temple, and is eventually arrested and brought before the Sanhedrin. There he is charged and convicted of blasphemy, and they decided to take him to the Roman prefect Pontius Pilate, asking him for Jesus' death. Pilate, after some debate, rejects their religious justifications, but accepts the political ones, see INRI, and sentences Jesus to death by crucifixion.

Is this incorrect? I know that the history of this era is sketchy at best.

Looks to me like he was a political agitator just like those damn hippies during the vietnam war.

 

[irwincur]

Is it really fair to bash Fox and then watch MSNBC/NBC/ABC and act like they are actually reporting the news correctly. MSNBC/NBC are owned by GE, a beneficiary of the bailout (the only company not asked to pay back or limit executive compensation) and one that has a CEO on Obama's economic team. Not only that, but there is the huge Healthimagination program that they were awarded in the event that UHC goes through to digitize all medical records.

MSNBC/NBC are about the least balanced news networks out there at the moment. Fox is not innoccent, but there is obviously a market for right-wing news. Why hold it against them, they are simply competing against five other major competitors that are obviously as left as they are right. Which probably accounts for the rating they get. Right-wing people have one outlet to watch, left-wingers have five or six (or more if you include other fair and balanced sources such as MTV).

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

The perceived difference in conservative/liberal media bias is directly proportional to the fervency of one's own political bias.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: waggy
sure just as MSNBC and Cnn arent eh?

Come on. Clearly if you can't see the difference you are in the second category or even the first.

So it's OK if CNN, MSNBC ABCnews are biased in your favor, but since Fox isn't biased in your favor they are bad and just a bunch of dumb hicks?

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
The perceived difference in conservative/liberal media bias is directly proportional to the fervency of one's own political bias.

I agree with alot of that.Except the CBS fraud Fiasco trying to topple a sitting president. I'm not a George Bush fan but CBS 's made up story about the national guard and then fabricating evidence was over the top.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: waggy
sure just as MSNBC and Cnn arent eh?

Come on. Clearly if you can't see the difference you are in the second category or even the first.

where did i say Fox is fair or balanced? i am pointing out that NONE of them are fair or balanced.

one is far right one is far left.

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: waggy
sure just as MSNBC and Cnn arent eh?

MSNBC is trying to be the Fox of the left, CNN is just fine. That is unless you are attempting to argue the channel that has housed Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck was some sort of bastion of liberalism? (I'm not aware of any liberal show they have ever hosted). Not to trash the complete myth of the 'librul media' or anything.

It's also funny that you seem to be suggesting that if another news organization does a bad job, that it excuses Fox's lack of integrity.

where am i excuseing fox's lack of integrity. NONE of them have any intergrity.

I don't trust any of them on any single issue.

I don't buy that. Comparing Fox to other news outlets doesn't fly. No matter what beef you have with CNN, MSNBC, ABC, etc none of them are remotely similiar to Fox.
Even suggesting that is basically supporting the Fox propaganda.

You have your head shoved so far up your ass, you can't see the damn near felatio that goes on on MSNBC, CNN, ABCnews, and almost every print publication out there towards the Obama's.
Are you sooo afraid to say something negative about him out of fear of being branded a racist? Since that really is the tactic used by "lefties" If you speak out against Obama you're just a dumb racist red neck.

 

[SagaLore]

All of the news stations are jealous of Fox, because they're busy competing with each other for dem viewers, while Fox monopolized the other half of the country.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: SagaLore
All of the news stations are jealous of Fox, because they're busy competing with each other for dem viewers, while Fox monopolized the other half of the country.

Sounds about right. Of course when you combine all the viewers of all the Cable news stations they are but a small minority of the voters/Public.People who watch Cable News Stations choose them based on what they want to hear, not so much about the news. Since the election I've probably spent 2 hours watching Cable News and half of that was CNN and the other hour was Fox. CNN was reporting the News and when I tuned into Fox it was to see the new Hannity show which really isn't about news as it was about Wingnut Propaganda.

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: seemingly random
I think one of the greatest mind-blowers for fundies is that jesus was a liberal. They will continue to deny this emphatically since it make their brains hurt. It's fun to witness.

LOL - YUP, Jesus wasn't just a "liberal". He was one of the worlds most extreme leftwing liberal activists ever... Whether you believe the religious aspect or not, you cant deny the fact that he was extremely liberal.

LOL - then they say , "What would Jesus do"? As if it's anything conservative.

What are Christ's liberal views?