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whm1974

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Okay. There are far worse things kids could be doing than smoking. Such as bullying or killing each other. Guess we can do away with laws that make it illegal to sell cigarettes to kids.
There is a world of difference in allowing kids to smoke cigarettes and letting them to play M and AO games. And by the way, jusy where are the kids buying AO rated games anyway?
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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If they meddled so far as to change votes or hack into our voting system, I would be upset. All Russian hackers did, that I know of, is expose the DNC for what they were and Russia-Bot stupid fake news stories that we should have known were fake.

We should be ashamed at how stupid we are, and that is not Russia's fault.
Please post every one of your company's emails online. There is no reason to not, unless you have something to hide, right?

Or why didn't the RNC post all of their emails, if they are so much better?

The fact you think there was anything of real substance in those emails does exactly why the Russians were so effective.
 
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UNCjigga

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There is a world of difference in allowing kids to smoke cigarettes and letting them to play M and AO games. And by the way, jusy where are the kids buying AO rated games anyway?
I'd tend to agree but doesn't that kind of thinking explain why we have one of the worst mental healthcare systems of any developed nation?
 

realibrad

Lifer
Oct 18, 2013
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Hillary's biggest weakness was that she was a career politician. We just came off of 8 years of a president that ran on hope and change. The Left wanted more hope and change and instead got someone that was not those things. She lost to Obama for the same reason.

You then couple that with young people that like "genuine" people and you get a perfect storm. Hillary being a career politician never stands firm on anything that is not popular. What is popular today will not be tomorrow. Her flipping on gay marriage is a perfect example of this type of thing, where she was not for it until it became popular. That drove young people away when they were desperately needed.

None of this means she was worse than Trump, but, she was not the right fit for the election.
 

mizzou

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You are one of the reasons we have Trump as President. Read this now and understand. The US is a two party system. Every single vote you cast is either for a Republican or a Democrat. If you cast your vote for a third party you are actually voting for the party least like your beliefs because you are diluting the vote for the party closest to your beliefs which in our two party system means that the other party just picked up points. If the Republicans get 33% of the votes, and the Democrats get 30%, Libertarians get 20% of the votes, and Green gets 17% of the votes, the Republicans win, and everyone else gets nothing.

The time to vote for individual candidates is in the primaries. Because of the way American politics work in the general elections you are NEVER voting for a individual candidate and you are ALWAYS voting for a party. So, choose either the Democrats or Republicans and always vote for one of them, because everything else is literally voting against your own interests.

I don’t buy into the wasted vote theory anymore
Please post every one of your companies emails online. There is no reason to not, unless you have something to hide, right?

Or why didn't the RNC post all of their emails, if they are so much better?

The fact you think there was anything of real substance in those emails does exactly why the Russians were so effective.

nowhere did I say, hey thanks for messing with our elections! I’m just not terribly upset or shocked over it. I like opened when it comes to elected or hired public officials, and I don’t think it’s a huge stretch that sunshine laws should extend into candidates who are acting in their capacity to become a legislator or whatever, that the public has a right within reason to know if their candidates are engaging in illegal behavior.

It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me that a candidate has all this privacy expectations, purely around their campaign, and then all of a sudden when they win the campaign it’s like square one lets be open now and please don’t look into how I cheated to get here.


As far as the whiny people in this thread upset I liked Gary Johnson over Clinton and Trump. I did the right thing. I wasn’t thrilled by Gary and the libertarians could have done much better, but in no way did it the democrats or republicans win my vote.

It’s not MY fault Trump was elected. And it’s MY opinion that matters when I enter the booth. People who blindly support party lines is how we get terrible candidates.

Democrats mad people like me didn’t vote their way? Well then, sounds like a time to do self reflection and not go around victim blaming.
 

dank69

Lifer
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There is a world of difference in allowing kids to smoke cigarettes and letting them to play M and AO games. And by the way, jusy where are the kids buying AO rated games anyway?
I'm glad you asked! They aren't buying them for the most part. Do you know why? The video game industry decided to self-regulate to avoid government intervention when they saw what they were proposing. They didn't really have ratings until the government started pressuring them.
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
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Trump's stupidity is making FOX's talking heads look more stupid than Trump himself. I've come to the point where at first I used to shake my head and throw things at my "TV screen" whenever I could muster up the gumption to see whatever the newest talking points were being broadcast to their viewers. Well now I go to FOX for some comedy and Benny Hill type antics as I watch Hannity and Carlson tripping over their tongues and making literal fools of themselves in their attempts at putting out all of those fires that Trump is setting in the FOX studio sets on a daily/hourly/by the minute basis.

I can't tell anyone who would care to listen how many times I went like "hon, hey hon, check Hannity out on FOX, his lips are quivering and he looks like he's terminally constipated" or like "hon get over here.....look at Carlson, he's got his fists balled up and he's got a tick in his left eyebrow that won't quit!"
 

realibrad

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I'm glad you asked! They aren't buying them for the most part. Do you know why? The video game industry decided to self-regulate to avoid government intervention when they saw what they were proposing. They didn't really have ratings until the government started pressuring them.

There were rating systems, but it was fragmented. For example, Mortal Kombat was rated MA-13.
 

whm1974

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I'm glad you asked! They aren't buying them for the most part. Do you know why? The video game industry decided to self-regulate to avoid government intervention when they saw what they were proposing. They didn't really have ratings until the government started pressuring them.
Or more it's more likely that the companies that own the consoles never allowed AO games on the platforms to begin with.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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I don’t know how to respond without sarcasm, but if you think Hillary was a good candidate and anyone who thinks otherwise was duped by Russian troll bots you are smoking something terrible.

Hillary’s presidential aspirations was nothing but a track record of failure. I was also one of those who remembered her attack on free speech when she went after violent video games and that probably just set me up to dislike her. Hillary would have been the ultimate Nanny state politician and I could go on forever about why she was wrong. She was outrageously wrong to pick in the 2016 election.

but don’t ask me right? I would have voted for Bernie but ended up voting libertarian
If 50% of Republicans can be duped into believing birtherism what makes you think 77,000 couldn't be influenced by Russian troll bots.
 

mizzou

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If 50% of Republicans can be duped into believing birtherism what makes you think 77,000 couldn't be influenced by Russian troll bots.

So the argument against why I didn’t like Hillary, which is pretty probably why she lost because she couldn’t win over all historic dem voters, is because of republican birthers? The argument that it isn’t possible to dislike Hillary because of her experience is invalid. just look at any on-paper professional sports coach who totally flops.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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So the argument against why I didn’t like Hillary, which is pretty probably why she lost because she couldn’t win over all historic dem voters, is because of republican birthers? The argument that it isn’t possible to dislike Hillary because of her experience is invalid. just look at any on-paper professional sports coach who totally flops.
I was answering your assertion people can't influenced by Russian bots. Mentioning 50% of Republicans buying birtherism illustrates how weak minded the Republican base is. However I could be wrong it might just illustrate their racism.
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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Okay. There are far worse things kids could be doing than smoking. Such as bullying or killing each other. Guess we can do away with laws that make it illegal to sell cigarettes to kids.

What is the actual problem Hillary was trying to solve with this?

You regulate cigarettes to children as they are toxic and life long addictive substances that children are not capable of making informed decisions on, and net result was very high cancer rates and billions in hc costs.

M rated games? How is this a scourge on society, and why does this need to be a focal point of regulation?

As a parent of a preteens, I can control/inform myself off movie and video games access fairly easy. YouTube and the internet is far more vulgar and uncontrolled.

Last thing that helps me are narcs and sting ops at the local GameStop or Target. It's a bullshit fix to a minor problem. I sure as hell don't want to pay for that with tax dollars.

This whole proposal just reminds me of Tipper Gore campaigning against movies and music in the 90s and all the nanny statism.

Not really a problem (enjoyed by 80s titty movies just fine as a ~kid, eg R.o.t.Nerds) but really did not want big gov in there trying to be my parent.

That doesn't win you votes, but sure will cost you votes and drive ppl to the GOP just bc they are promising to leave you alone (unless you are gay or want weed or an abortion.)

I hated W in 1999, but felt little motivation to vote for Gore bc of this type of stuff.

So how was putting this out helpful to Hillary or the Dems? Just leave ppl alone to govern themselves unless there is a pressing social problem that has to get regulated.

That's where the GOP wins on the freedom and personal responsibility/determination stuff.
 

mizzou

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I was answering your assertion people can't influenced by Russian bots. Mentioning 50% of Republicans buying birtherism illustrates how weak minded the Republican base is. However I could be wrong it might just illustrate their racism.
Gotcha. I do think there are huge vats of useful idiots on both sides. My opinion, not scientific, is that typical republican voters seem less inclined to vet info and engage in debate.

I just get sick of hearing how blatantly obvious hillary Clinton should have won when really her loss is quite complicated.

I will just end my argument that The only fix to this is not having weak minded herds voting in one way with no rational thought, and that’s something we all need to take part in.
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
Jun 17, 2005
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I don’t buy into the wasted vote theory anymore

Either Hillary or Trump was going to win the election. That is a mathematical certainty.
So, we can separate all voters into two categories, because realistically that is all there is.
There are Republican leaning voters and there are Democratic leaning voters.
If you vote for a third party you are actively making it harder for your leaning to win.

The most greatest con the Republicans ever managed was to convince Democrat leaning voters that voting 3rd party is useful while at the same time convincing their own base to always vote Republican in order to stop the Democrats. That is the reason why the Freedom Caucus and the Tea Party did not form new parties and instead remained Republican. It is because that way they win.

If you want Libertarian or Green to win convince them to rejoin one of the two parties and then work on changing the platform.
 

realibrad

Lifer
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Either Hillary or Trump was going to win the election. That is a mathematical certainty.
So, we can separate all voters into two categories, because realistically that is all there is.
There are Republican leaning voters and there are Democratic leaning voters.
If you vote for a third party you are actively making it harder for your leaning to win.

The most greatest con the Republicans ever managed was to convince Democrat leaning voters that voting 3rd party is useful while at the same time convincing their own base to always vote Republican in order to stop the Democrats. That is the reason why the Freedom Caucus and the Tea Party did not form new parties and instead remained Republican. It is because that way they win.

If you want Libertarian or Green to win convince them to rejoin one of the two parties and then work on changing the platform.

Stop. You just started by saying it was a mathematical certainty and that is false. Its reasonable and expected that it was either of the two, but, mathematically makes no sense here as there were other options. Hell, its even possible for someone to win as a write-in albeit highly unlikely.

As for your position, you can't expect change if you don't start making changes. You want more than 2 parties, start voting for more than two parties.
 
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dank69

Lifer
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There were rating systems, but it was fragmented. For example, Mortal Kombat was rated MA-13.
That's why I added the word "really." A few of them had self ratings but they were not standardized and they were few and far between.

Or more it's more likely that the companies that own the consoles never allowed AO games on the platforms to begin with.
The bill was introduced when Grand Theft Auto gained popularity. It was on plenty of platforms.
What is the actual problem Hillary was trying to solve with this?

You regulate cigarettes to children as they are toxic and life long addictive substances that children are not capable of making informed decisions on, and net result was very high cancer rates and billions in hc costs.

M rated games? How is this a scourge on society, and why does this need to be a focal point of regulation?

As a parent of a preteens, I can control/inform myself off movie and video games access fairly easy. YouTube and the internet is far more vulgar and uncontrolled.

Last thing that helps me are narcs and sting ops at the local GameStop or Target. It's a bullshit fix to a minor problem. I sure as hell don't want to pay for that with tax dollars.

This whole proposal just reminds me of Tipper Gore campaigning against movies and music in the 90s and all the nanny statism.

Not really a problem (enjoyed by 80s titty movies just fine as a ~kid, eg R.o.t.Nerds) but really did not want big gov in there trying to be my parent.

That doesn't win you votes, but sure will cost you votes and drive ppl to the GOP just bc they are promising to leave you alone (unless you are gay or want weed or an abortion.)

I hated W in 1999, but felt little motivation to vote for Gore bc of this type of stuff.

So how was putting this out helpful to Hillary or the Dems? Just leave ppl alone to govern themselves unless there is a pressing social problem that has to get regulated.

That's where the GOP wins on the freedom and personal responsibility/determination stuff.
IIRC this whole thing was a reaction to GTA:SA having some explicit material that could be unlocked with a 3rd party tool. Nobody is saying games are a scourge, not even the she-bitch Hillary. If you read the bullet points there is nothing crazy there. Your arguments above could be applied to pornography if you want to see how absurd they are:

"Last thing that helps me are narcs and sting ops at the local porn shop. It's a bullshit fix to a minor problem. I sure as hell don't want to pay for that with tax dollars."

Please also remember that the internet was still not entirely mainstream in 2005.

Regarding losing votes I believe 2006 was when the Dems recaptured full control of Congress so I don't think it hurt them too bad.

Finally, this whole sidetrack was in response to someone who said they wouldn't vote for Hillary over Trump because of this bill. Let that sink in for a minute.
 

dank69

Lifer
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Stop. You just started by saying it was a mathematical certainty and that is false. Its reasonable and expected that it was either of the two, but, mathematically makes no sense here as there were other options. Hell, its even possible for someone to win as a write-in albeit highly unlikely.

As for your position, you can't expect change if you don't start making changes. You want more than 2 parties, start voting for more than two parties.
Just don't. Go fight someone else worth fighting. Would you have been happier if he said it was a statistical certainty? Well statistics are a subset of mathematics so, just don't.
 
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realibrad

Lifer
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Just don't. Go fight someone else worth fighting. Would you have been happier if he said it was a statistical certainty? Well statistics are a subset of mathematics so, just don't.

mathematical certainty is different than probability which is what statistics is about guy.

If you want to get pedantic, then your mamma so fat jokes are really geometry jokes and those too are mathematics.
 

Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
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Stop. You just started by saying it was a mathematical certainty and that is false. Its reasonable and expected that it was either of the two, but, mathematically makes no sense here as there were other options. Hell, its even possible for someone to win as a write-in albeit highly unlikely.

As for your position, you can't expect change if you don't start making changes. You want more than 2 parties, start voting for more than two parties.

A laughable claim by you.

Trump and Clinton received the top two number of EC votes making them a mathematical certainty that one would win the election.
 

realibrad

Lifer
Oct 18, 2013
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A laughable claim by you.

Trump and Clinton received the top two number of EC votes making them a mathematical certainty that one would win the election.

What did you just do? Did you think before you wrote that.

Yes, after everyone voted they were the two with the most, but that is a measurement after the event.

Its a probability that there will be only two main contenders, but its not a mathematical certainty during the event.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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Gotcha. I do think there are huge vats of useful idiots on both sides. My opinion, not scientific, is that typical republican voters seem less inclined to vet info and engage in debate.

I just get sick of hearing how blatantly obvious hillary Clinton should have won when really her loss is quite complicated.

I will just end my argument that The only fix to this is not having weak minded herds voting in one way with no rational thought, and that’s something we all need to take part in.
Clearly the base didn't want establishment. Jeb Bush or John Kasich should have been the front runners. I'm fairly confident Obama would have wiped the floor with Trump.

Trump tapped into the worst instincts of the Republican base.

loss of majority status
white resentment
racism
economic fear
mistrust of institutions


He also realized early on tapping into the Joseph Goebbels playbook yielded success with his base. Says more about them then him
https://www.azquotes.com/author/5626-Joseph_Goebbels

When you read these quotes its a splitting image of him
 
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