Fox news may be at its limit

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dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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Your argument was stupid. His argument sabotaged any meaningful discussion because it was so hyperbolic.
Yes, I agree. Hyperbolic to say a third party had zero chance to win in 2016. He should have kept it closer to reality with 0.001% chance.
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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Finally, this whole sidetrack was in response to someone who said they wouldn't vote for Hillary over Trump because of this bill. Let that sink in for a minute.

It's quite a side track.. but the last bullet is my real point.

There are voters who will decide based on very small, local or personal annoyance stuff, not the really large issues/social arcs that can headline the campaign.
They could care one wit about some of the crap we debate, or are the undecided fence sitters looking for something to hinge on.
Either way their vote counts the same.

I only see disadvantages into getting into issues like that, it only loses votes.

I don't agree with @mizzou's vote, but I understand it, and know he's not alone.
 

Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
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What did you just do? Did you think before you wrote that.

Yes, after everyone voted they were the two with the most, but that is a measurement after the event.

Its a probability that there will be only two main contenders, but its not a mathematical certainty during the event.

Much like you assumed smogzinn wasn’t aware that it was mathematically possible a third party candidate could win by choosing to interpret his comment outside of its context I chose to interpret your comment outside of its context and assume you were unaware that during the 2016 election process it became a mathematical certainty one of two candidates would win.

Consider this a lesson in how pedantry is viewed by others. You considered my post idiotic and probably thought I was being an idiot missing something so obvious.

This was how I viewed your post. So instead of arguing about what smogzinn actually meant I thought I would illustrate what happens when we argue about specific terms instead of concepts.
 

realibrad

Lifer
Oct 18, 2013
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Yes, I agree. Hyperbolic to say a third party had zero chance to win in 2016. He should have kept it closer to reality with 0.001% chance.

Its hyperbolic and he did it to try and emphasize his position, which is that if you don't vote for either of the two then its a waste. The person he was responding too was making the argument that its not a waste even if your person does not win. The response to that was saying it was a waste because of the high probability. Saying it that way would not be enough, so he tried to make it an absolute that either would win, which is not the point.
 
Feb 4, 2009
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Fox still appears to be at its limit regarding Russia. Front page is
Russian agent used Honey Pot offered sex to entrap
Next story
Marco Rubio doesn’t think it’s practical to summon Trumps translator. Inside the story Marco said he is convinced Russia meddled and has a pending bill aimed at it
3rd story is essentially “But Hillary”
Clinton’s skeletons come out of the closet due to some guys testimony

 
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realibrad

Lifer
Oct 18, 2013
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Much like you assumed smogzinn wasn’t aware that it was mathematically possible a third party candidate could win by choosing to interpret his comment outside of its context I chose to interpret your comment outside of its context and assume you were unaware that during the 2016 election process it became a mathematical certainty one of two candidates would win.

Consider this a lesson in how pedantry is viewed by others. You considered my post idiotic and probably thought I was being an idiot missing something so obvious.

This was how I viewed your post. So instead of arguing about what smogzinn actually meant I thought I would illustrate what happens when we argue about specific terms instead of concepts.

Guy, stats are about trying to predict things that will happen, and not what has happened. Your argument there was dumb. You did not take what I said out of context. What you did was to make a dumb statement that does not reflect the meaning of what happened.

Once the vote threshold was met, stats about who could win end as now you are measuring what happened.

Now, as to the point of what I was getting at, if he wanted to argue the concepts, he does not need to make things up. He can argue why he thinks its a waste beyond saying things that are not relevant. The issue he has is that the current system we have sets up 2 choices. Voting for a 3rd person done by enough could change that as other countries have more than 2 choices.

But, because he tries to go down the hyperbolic road no conversation can happen.
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
Feb 15, 2002
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Fox still appears to be at its limit regarding Russia. Front page is
Russian agent used Honey Pot offered sex to entrap
Next story
Marco Rubio doesn’t think it’s practical to summon Trumps translator. Inside the story Marco said he is convinced Russia meddled and has a pending bill aimed at it
3rd story is essentially “But Hillary”
Clinton’s skeletons come out of the closet due to some guys testimony

The problem is the base doesn’t read their website much, they get their “news” from the talking heads after dinner.
 

OWR88

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Oct 27, 2013
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Fox New at it's limit?

ROTFLOL what are you smoking OP?

Hillary meddled with Russians to meddle with our freedom. Don't you get that? It is all the Dems, CNN, liberal media, coast elites, gun grabbers and baby killers fault. Oh by the way there is no collusion. Collusion is not a crime. Obama still a Muslim, Chuck and Nancy want gays to marry your kids, and California is coming to get your guns.
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
Feb 15, 2002
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Fox New at it's limit?

ROTFLOL what are you smoking OP?

Hillary meddled with Russians to meddle with our freedom. Don't you get that? It is all the Dems, CNN, liberal media, coast elites, gun grabbers and baby killers fault. Oh by the way there is no collusion. Collusion is not a crime. Obama still a Muslim, Chuck and Nancy want gays to marry your kids, and California is coming to get your guns.
I’m sure Vlad pays you well.
 
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