Fox News, MSNBC, and ignorant highly opinionated people killing civil discussions?

Paul98

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These people are allowed and covered able to talk about what every they want totally disregarding facts, and continually say things plainly wrong. It's not just that I mean you can have people ranting and raving about stuff that is totally ignorant and wrong if most don't believe it. The problem is when you have major news networks where people will believe what ever they want to. Even after they have been corrected will continue to say what they heard.

I don't remember it being as bad is it is right now 6 or 10 years ago. Not to say this wasn't there before just seems like people keep on trying to one up the other on their crazy.

Is it just me?
 

monovillage

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These people are allowed and covered able to talk about what every they want totally disregarding facts, and continually say things plainly wrong. It's not just that I mean you can have people ranting and raving about stuff that is totally ignorant and wrong if most don't believe it. The problem is when you have major news networks where people will believe what ever they want to. Even after they have been corrected will continue to say what they heard.

I don't remember it being as bad is it is right now 6 or 10 years ago. Not to say this wasn't there before just seems like people keep on trying to one up the other on their crazy.

Is it just me?

I remember it being this way when Huntley/Brinkley was on. Now we all have more options about what bias we want served with our pseudo-news.
 

Infohawk

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There have always been ignorant highly opinionated people. Otherwise, it's the nature of the modern news cycle. The news channels have to compete with blogs and even twitter now. These new forms of media have zero controls but can get just as much attention.
 

Atreus21

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Solution. Turn the damned TV off and spend time with friends and family.

And tell them to do the same frigging thing.
 

woolfe9999

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There have always been ignorant highly opinionated people. Otherwise, it's the nature of the modern news cycle. The news channels have to compete with blogs and even twitter now. These new forms of media have zero controls but can get just as much attention.

It's much worse now than before. Even without considering internet noise, it would still be much worse.
 

Moonbeam

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Your problem is that you were taught to respect the rules of fair play, tell the truth, argue logically, stick to facts, etc, and you run into powers that don't care a wit about your rules, are willing to lie, distort, and brainwash liberally. This causes you to become enraged. They have no organic shame and you do. They have no inner pride and you do. But you need to understand that these folk are making money. They are vultures that feed off the flesh of the stupid for the sake of power. They play a game of political power acquisition for their rich masters. Winning is all that matters because these scum are certain that only they are fit to rule.
 

soundforbjt

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Opinion shows being played on "News" networks. They have to fill up the 24 hours somehow.
 

Mxylplyx

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People turning to opinion shows and disseminating them as fact has poisoned political discourse in this country to the point that it threatens the very existence of our Republic. Politicians who are afraid to drift from their ideological corner are the natural result of this. Regardless of how much we try to convince ourselves otherwise, we are NOT the shining beacon of the world anymore. The only thing our government can efficiently do is name a post office. We are a broken country, and it is only going to get worse in our out of control media driven culture.

Is it any wonder China makes efforts to control their political discourse? They would fall apart if they had to govern under the conditions of this country.
 

Bowfinger

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I remember it being this way when Huntley/Brinkley was on. Now we all have more options about what bias we want served with our pseudo-news.
While I remember Huntley and Brinkley well, I certainly don't remember at all them talking "about what every they want totally disregarding facts, and continually say things plainly wrong." On the contrary, I remember them being quite scrupulous in getting their facts right. That certainly doesn't suggest they never made mistakes, but they did NOT spew random partisan noise as fact, unlike certain "networks" today. The current assault of willful disinformation is unprecedented in modern media history in my experience.
 

boomerang

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People used to be able to have civil discussions about events of the day. Now, we go for the jugular when confronted with an opinion that varies from our own. The big question is why?

I have my opinions on the matter and I've shared them a number of times here. It's a means to an end. It's a fight to the death for ultimate supremacy. What those that want to be the winners can't comprehend is that there are no winners in this fight. We need viewpoints that are extreme left and extreme right because often the middle ground is the best course of action. Whichever side wins will soon find that the rosy scenario they envisioned just flat out won't work. With no constraints, both major parties are very capable of fucking everything up and quickly too.

You've heard me talk of how our young people are being brainwashed to embrace a certain agenda. Here's an educator making some points in that regard.

http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=127233
 

Craig234

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Don't equate Fox and the current MSNBC hosts. How about I equate Paul98 and Ann Coulter?
 

Attic

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People used to be able to have civil discussions about events of the day. Now, we go for the jugular when confronted with an opinion that varies from our own. The big question is why?

I have my opinions on the matter and I've shared them a number of times here. It's a means to an end. It's a fight to the death for ultimate supremacy. What those that want to be the winners can't comprehend is that there are no winners in this fight. We need viewpoints that are extreme left and extreme right because often the middle ground is the best course of action. Whichever side wins will soon find that the rosy scenario they envisioned just flat out won't work. With no constraints, both major parties are very capable of fucking everything up and quickly too.

You've heard me talk of how our young people are being brainwashed to embrace a certain agenda. Here's an educator making some points in that regard.

http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=127233

That is scary, but I see the same notion from those students exposed in my liberal leaning adult friends. The financially successful in my group are attacked for the fact that don't give their money away to these people, of course this is done behind their backs and with ridiculous personal attacks. To me it looks like a fervent jealousy concealed in the folly of righteous indignation of the wealthier among my group. Very pathetic.

The left has some great ideas, but there is a group who belong to the left whom hold a vision that is incredibly damning to what I would consider an integral part of our nations current and future success. Personal responsibility and accountability has been replaced by a greedy demand for fruits of another's labor.
 

Fern

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Don't equate Fox and the current MSNBC hosts. How about I equate Paul98 and Ann Coulter?

Two words:

ED

SCHULTZ

That guy makes everyone else, on any show, look rational and reasonable.

Fern
 

Craig234

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Two words:

ED

SCHULTZ

That guy makes everyone else, on any show, look rational and reasonable.

Fern

I'm not a big fan of Ed Shultz, but he's not comparable to Fox, with rare exception.

I can think of one serious, inexcusable editing thing his show did. He apologized, but it doesn't explain the apparently intentional misleading.

But one incident. He does not have the more serious problems Fox does.

Funny enough, I have his show on right now in the background. All seems accurate - as he airs live from a Wisconsin crowd covering the upcoming recall election.

You should learn the difference between 'someone you don't enjoy listening to or disagree with politically' and the problems of corrupt, misleading, propagandistic content.
 

DominionSeraph

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An audience which exemplifies:

“There is no expedient to which a man will not resort to avoid the real labor of thinking.”
― Joshua Reynolds
 

Fern

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Ed Schultz:

"The Republicans lie! They want to see you dead! They'd rather make money off your dead corpse! They kind of like it when that woman has cancer and they don't have anything for her."

Then there's the whole Laura Graham is " a rightwing slut" thingy.

Why am I not surprised Craig will defend him.

The guy makes outrageous remarks frequently.

Fern
 

Craig234

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Ed Schultz:



Then there's the whole Laura Graham is " a rightwing slut" thingy.

Why am I not surprised Craig will defend him.

The guy makes outrageous remarks frequently.

Fern

Insufficient evidence - even if those were valid.

First, on the medical issue - it was a passionate an angry response - but it had a reason.

It was in response to Republicans wanting to cut spending on people's healthcare in Medicare by a third and shift the money to a tax cut for the rich - a plan all or nearly all Republicans had signed on to. And Republicans were also nearly unanimous in favor of blocking Obama's healthcare plan that would cover people who weren't.

This was specifically about a town hall meeting where Eric Cantor was faced with a constituent about a life-threatening problem and he had little to offer.

He merely pointed out that abotu a fourth of the poor are elegible for government programs now and she should check on that or charity - which the woman said had a long wait.

So, the rant was actually not unreasonable, that in effect the Republicans were choosing to support policies which would limit healthcare for millions and threaten lives.

What's wrong with being upset with the support for such a harmful position?

On Ingram, I'd defend him again partly - this has come up a lot when someone is attacked for supporting corrupt positions for a powerful group by calling them a 'whore' or 'slut'.

I don't think 'slut' was a good word to use, but his point was right. He went further with an annoyingly loud and dramatic apology, like we've never seen from the right, and he said he would never use the word again as I recall. So you can call that a 'one off', and something he says he won't repeat - far different than the issues with Fox.

If Shultz was intentionally using 'slut' for the feminine insult - it was out of line, which he said he was.

Again, I'm not a big fan of Shultz, the point is that he's not comparable to Fox. Getting worked up about the cutting of healthcare is a very different issue.

Since you say his remarks are 'outrageous frequently', you can provide, say, two from the last month - no, let's give you this year that are 'outrageous'?
 
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Jhhnn

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These people are allowed and covered able to talk about what every they want totally disregarding facts, and continually say things plainly wrong. It's not just that I mean you can have people ranting and raving about stuff that is totally ignorant and wrong if most don't believe it. The problem is when you have major news networks where people will believe what ever they want to. Even after they have been corrected will continue to say what they heard.

I don't remember it being as bad is it is right now 6 or 10 years ago. Not to say this wasn't there before just seems like people keep on trying to one up the other on their crazy.

Is it just me?

You're being suckered into accepting false equivalency, and seem to have a rosy tint on the past. For your serious consideration-

http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...re-still-crazy-after-all-these-years-20120316
 

cwjerome

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We are a mile wide and an inch deep, operating on the shallow surface that’s full of partisan hackery, artificiality, slogans, and clichés. For civic engagement to reach its full potential there will need to be significant move away from the frivolous, team-sport attitude and a considerable move into a more thoughtful, sincere, and open public approach. How do we cultivate a more genuine and cerebral political discourse, free from the corrupting influences of big money, emotional ideologism, and petty squabbling? I suggest two things:

- Non-biased educational growth in history, political science, and philosophy.
- A gradual willingness to “let go” and be open, honest, and sincere with one's self, other people, ideas, and arguments.

It needs to start with each person. If we want a better system we have to be better people. If we want institutional change, or cultural change, it has to be bottom-up. Our identities, perceptions, and principles of virtue will drive where we go, and all of those should be cultivated in a climate of knowledgeable caring and sincere civic purpose.
 

ky54

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Yes, it certainly was better back in the 60's and 70's when all that was allowed on TV was one point of view. Now we have a 99% march in lockstep with 1% that doesn't and that 1% MUST be shut down in the interest of fairness. LOL, American "news" my ass.
 

Ausm

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Two words:

ED

SCHULTZ

That guy makes everyone else, on any show, look rational and reasonable.

Fern

LOL Big Eddie tells it how it is but I do agree like most news show pundits he can go over the top once in a while. I love his work in Wisconsin exposing the ALEC/Koch bros agenda.

Every rabid Right winger should check this link and see what they are voting for.

http://www.kochbrothersexposed.com/
 
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blankslate

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Two words: ED SCHULTZ That guy makes everyone else, on any show, look rational and reasonable. Fern

Are you sure you want to say that? Maybe if you're talking about T.V. you can make an argument. Ed Schultz has a radio show too.

When he did make the famous Lauren Graham comments he apologized in short order and did so very profusely you might even say he groveled (probably deservedly so) then he was suspended for a week from television. Not sure about radio.

Compare that to another famous radio host who not only called a woman a slut and a prostitute but then doubled down on it when called out by other people. For not just one but two additional days. Then he makes a half-assed non-apology apology for it.

Sorry, he doesn't make every one look reasonable.
 
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