Fox News now thinks low gas prices under Obama are bad

HomerJS

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So they spend a lot of air time hypnotizing their loyal followers Obama is responsible for gas prices being so high. Gas process have been coming down. Guess where Fox goes next?

Ever since the election of Barack Obama in 2008, Fox News has routinely placed the blame of high gas prices on the president, predicting that the average price could reach as high as $8 per gallon. Now that gas prices are starting to fall to reasonable levels, it looks like they are crafting a new narrative to that promotes low gas prices as being a negative on the economy, which would tie into their constant attacks on the president.

http://www.examiner.com/article/fox-news-host-now-thinks-low-gas-prices-are-a-bad-thing-under-obama

Predictable?? I would expect this kind of spin/lie from politicians but I thought Fox was a fair and balanced legitimate news organization?
 

xBiffx

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I can't blame him directly for making prices high. I can blame him for doing nothing about it, however. More accurately, I can blame him for creating an environment that would do nothing but keep them high.

I wish we could use rail for sensible things, like food. But alas, we are forced to tie up our rail resources to move oil. So we end up paying more for both. So stupid.

Then again, his plan is to make energy prices skyrocket. I don't see why its not OK to question that.
 

BurnItDwn

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Predictable?? I would expect this kind of spin/lie from politicians but I thought Fox was a fair and balanced legitimate news organization?

Ohh come on, nobody could be that stupid.

Every conservative who watches fox knows its biased, just like those who watch Jon Stewart will openly admit he has a liberal bias. These things are very very obvious.

Now, I do have a problem with fox using the word "news" for their propaganda channel. At least Comedy Central is called "comedy" and not "news."
 
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Where is the citation for $8 gas? Anyway, your thread title is BS. They had a guest on one of their shows who speculated on the potential downside of lower gas prices. Outrage not found.
 
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Londo_Jowo

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Whoever wrote that article is all over the place and can't correctly use oil or gas.

Appearing as a guest on the show was Anthony Scaramucci, the founder of Skybridge Capital. Varney asked Scaramucci if he agreed with the report in the Wall Street Journal and he responded that "the Saudis want to push the gas price low. Get it below $70 a barrel, we get out of the fracking business, and it strengthens their franchise.
 

HomerJS

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Did you miss the fact Fox always does that allowing them to post inflammatory headlines and deny at the same time...

Obama birth certificate fake?
Obama is the antichrist?
Obama born in Kenya?
 
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I'm guessing that the people at Fox News know better than to make such a claim, regardless of any validity. These people are absolutely the best in the business at riling up their base, and you're not going to do that with an issue like "don't you wish you were paying more for gasoline?" That's not a popular opinion.
 

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Did you miss the fact Fox always does that allowing them to post inflammatory headlines and deny at the same time...

Obama birth certificate fake?
Obama is the antichrist?
Obama born in Kenya?

Its called stating the topic of debate...........not stating their personal opinions.
 

fskimospy

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Did you miss the question mark at the end of the caption?

From a biography of Roger Ailes:

“He likes to raise questions in chyrons,” a senior producer said, referring to the graphics and the text that appear at the bottom of the screen. “Is Obama a socialist? He tells producers that such an approach is better than simply saying Obama is a socialist.”

Fox News knows exactly what it's doing. Don't be duped.
 

HomerJS

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Its called stating the topic of debate...........not stating their personal opinions.

You really don't get it or are you just pretending?

Another Fox News tactic, "some people say".... inflammatory rhetoric
 

xBiffx

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I see how this works.

Everybody on AT is a complete ass?

There I go making statements again.
 

fskimospy

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Its called stating the topic of debate...........not stating their personal opinions.

When Fox News runs something every day asking if Obama is a communist they arent saying he is, they are just very very curious.
 

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We need dirt cheap energy, but from more stable sources than oil. If we were to have access to energy cheaper in this nation than others, it would be a boon to employment.
 

Meghan54

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Did you miss the question mark at the end of the caption?


Well, thank goodness they used a question mark!

But that doesn't explain the sheer insanity of Fox News and this screen on 9/15/14 while talking about U.S. inaction militarily against ISIS. The bottom caption says, "No military action against ISIS yet, despite coalition to fight terrorists" while simultaneously showing a side bar labeled FOX FACTS "Military Action Against ISIS" and the first fact is "U.S. has conducted at least 160 airstrikes against ISIS in Iraq"

Guess the bottom caption could have used a question mark, too, eh?

 

michal1980

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look at all these other places asking the same question.

But lets keep bashing fox like good lib drones.

"This time, cheaper gas may fuel trouble" - Detroit news
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/bu...14/10/12/can-cheap-gas-hurt-economy/17174753/

"The great American oil debate: Is cheap fuel good for the U.S.?" - Fortune
http://fortune.com/2014/10/22/american-oil-prices/

"You're Enjoying Low Gas Prices, But Is It Really A Good Sign" -NPR
http://www.npr.org/2014/10/23/358062856/youre-enjoying-low-gas-prices-but-is-it-really-a-good-sign

Why Cheap Gasoline Could Be Bad For America's Economic Comeback -Forbes
http://www.forbes.com/sites/christo...-cheaper-gasoline-be-good-or-bad-for-america/
 
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Are you a complete moron?
Apparently so...me and a few others as well. There are some downsides...but God forbid if Fox News talks about them!

Falling oil and gas prices: A blessing and a curse
http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/19/news/economy/oil_gas_prices/

But be careful what you wish for. Low gas prices can sometimes be more a symptom of a weakening economy, than a cure to consumers' woes.

Falling gas prices could hurt Texas economy
http://www.kltv.com/story/26759471/falling-gas-prices-could-hurt-texas-economy

While customers are happy with the lower prices, an economist at UT-Tyler said it could mean trouble for the state economy.

"There could be a dark cloud on the horizon because they could actually go too low for us and, while it would make gas cheap, it would also hurt a state like Texas that produces a lot of oil," Doty said.

Dark side of the boom: Diving oil prices could curb U.S. production
http://www.kansascity.com/news/business/article3412268.html

Kenneth White has spent 30 years in the oil business, and as owner of White Exploration Inc. in Wichita he’s more than a casual observer of the recent 25 percent drop in oil prices.

Any decision to drill for more oil is tied to its price, and although he’s not cutting back yet, the question looms for White and the rest of the country’s oil industry.

If prices “continue to go down or stay down, you’ll see a bit of a slowdown,” he said.

The plight of oil producers probably won’t elicit much sympathy from motorists who are enjoying the lowest gasoline prices in four years. Prices in Kansas and Missouri have fallen below $3 a gallon, down 33 cents in just the last month. Average households, if prices stay down, will save $500 or more annually at the pump.

That benefits the overall U.S. economy, and retailers should see a brighter holiday season with the extra cash in consumers’ pockets.

But it’s not all good news when it comes to lower oil prices, with potential problems or challenges that go beyond the financial outlook for oil companies

State economies that have benefited the most from the country’s rebound in oil production, such as Texas and North Dakota, are vulnerable to an economic slowdown. North Dakota, with its high oil-production costs, could be among the first to feel the impact. A state official recently said the state should prepare for a downturn.

Kansas, with a more diversified economy and a smaller oil industry, would be less affected and, overall, even helped by falling oil prices. Missouri’s economy, which doesn’t have an oil industry, is a clear winner when energy prices fall.

Businesses that have counted on high oil prices have their own issues. Electric vehicles, for example, could be a tougher sell, with their economics not as attractive in the face of cheap gasoline or diesel .

The possibility that fuel efficiency loses its luster faces Ford Motor Co., which has spent billions of dollars to design and build an aluminum F-150 pickup at its Claycomo plant. The vehicle will be lighter and more fuel efficient, but when it rolls out in December will potential customers find those traits so compelling?

Finally, there is the effect of lower oil prices on the country’s drive to energy independence.

Net imports of oil and petroleum products have fallen to their lowest in 29 years as U.S. oil production surged and consumption softened. The effect of lower oil prices on production and demand could be a setback.

“We could see a reversal and increase our import dependence,” said Stephen Brown, an economist and former official with the Federal Reserve Bank in Dallas.

Oil prices began their decline in June, when a barrel of West Texas Intermediate oil, the U.S. benchmark, was over $100. By last week it was hovering at $80 — which is exactly where oil futures closed Monday. That’s enough to reduce gasoline prices by roughly 60 cents a gallon.

The Energy Information Administration predicted that gas prices would fall because of ample oil supplies and lackluster demand. But it’s hesitating to sketch out how that could affect domestic oil production as it weighs how long the lower prices will hang around. It’s not unusual for oil and gas prices to drop at the end of a year.

The federal agency said U.S. oil production reached 8.7 million barrels per day in September, the highest monthly production since July 1986. For now the agency is sticking with a forecast that calls for production to average 9.5 million barrels per day next year, the most since 1970.

“It’s premature to reset our forecasts at this point,” said Tancred Lidderdale, an analyst for the Energy Information Administration.

In fact, there is uncertainty about what is going to happen.

James Williams, an analyst for WTRG Economics, said a big unknown is Saudi Arabia’s intentions, which may emerge at a meeting of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries in late November.

Some OPEC members such as Iran are arguing for production cutbacks to try to raise prices. But Saudi Arabia may want to keep production unchanged to build market share by keeping prices low and pushing some U.S. producers out of the business. A similar strategy by the world’s largest oil producer in the 1980s and 1990s killed what had been a successful U.S. effort to reduce oil imports.

“If Saudi Arabia does that again, it means we will have lower prices for at least another year or two,” said Williams.

The surge in U.S oil production — it has increased 50 percent since 2008 — is mostly from the fracturing of underground shale formations. That means it has high production costs, which didn’t matter when oil prices were rising.

But the vulnerability is now emerging.

A recent report by Sanford C. Bernstein & Co., a New York research and brokerage firm, said oil at $80 a barrel makes one-third of U.S. shale oil production uneconomical.

This U.S energy boom is also more indebted to outside investors, who are showing signs of getting nervous.

Investors’ sentiment toward the oil and gas industry has “certainly changed in the last 30 days,” Ron Ormand, managing director of investment banking for New York-based MLV & Co., told Bloomberg News.

“I don’t think the boom is over, but I do think we’re in a period now where people are going to start evaluating their budgets,” he said

And that could mean cutting back on drilling, although production from wells already drilled would continue to supply oil.

The concern extends beyond the shale plays. In Kansas, which relies on traditional vertical wells, the mood is also cautious.

“It’s something that is on everyone’s mind,” said Ed Cross, president of the Kansas Independent Oil & Gas Association.

But for the U.S. and world economy in general, falling oil prices appear to be a pretty good deal.

Current oil prices, according to Citigroup Inc., would eventually provide a stimulus of as much as $1.1 trillion annually to the global economy, thanks to lower fuel prices.

Brown, the former Federal Reserve Bank official, said the extra cash that consumers and companies can spend on other things won’t be a huge boost for the U.S. economy, but still a plus. He estimates a boost in GDP of 0.3 percent over a couple of years.

But there will be losers.

Besides Texas and North Dakota, it’s estimated that other top oil states Alaska, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Wyoming and Louisiana will be hurt by the declining prices.

The rest of the states and the District of Columbia will gain economically. Among top-10 producing oil states, California, Colorado and Kansas have more diversified economies, which makes them net winners when oil prices decline.

The benefit of lower fuel prices will be spread around — mainly the estimated $500 in gasoline savings for average households — but it’s still a boost for consumers.

“That’s still not a small thing,” said Brown, who is currently director of the Center for Business and Economic Research at the University of Nevada-Las Vegas.

But could the bonus from lower gas prices in the end cost the country?

The U.S. in 2006 relied on net imports of oil and petroleum products to satisfy 60 percent of demand. By 2013 that was cut by nearly half to 32 percent. This year it ducked below 30 percent, and it’s predicted to go to 21 percent next year.

“This situation (we’re in now) reminds me of 1982 or 1983,” said Jay Hakes, former head of the Energy Information Administration and author of a book on energy independence.

By the early ’80s, the country had slashed oil imports before cheap Mideast oil reversed that trend — with oil eventually sinking to $10 a barrel. Fuel consumption came roaring back, and domestic oil companies cut back or shut down. By the 1990s, our dependence on oil imports was greater than ever.

Jessica Caldwell, a senior analyst for the the auto buying website Edmunds.com, said there were signs now that fuel efficiency wasn’t quite the priority it once was, including higher sales of SUVs.

“We have seen some of that behavior already,” she said.

Hakes said at current oil prices he believes the progress made to reduce imports won’t unravel. There’s a lot of momentum, from higher oil production to tough fuel economy standards for motor vehicles.

But another big drop in oil prices that stuck around would change things.

“We would have a problem,” he said.
 

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Well, thank goodness they used a question mark!

But that doesn't explain the sheer insanity of Fox News and this screen on 9/15/14 while talking about U.S. inaction militarily against ISIS. The bottom caption says, "No military action against ISIS yet, despite coalition to fight terrorists" while simultaneously showing a side bar labeled FOX FACTS "Military Action Against ISIS" and the first fact is "U.S. has conducted at least 160 airstrikes against ISIS in Iraq"

Guess the bottom caption could have used a question mark, too, eh?




http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/fox-asks-will-cheap-gas-hurt-the-economy
 

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Nobody learns do they? After the oil embargo way back when, one person did, Carter, and he was bullish on ways to get us off of oil dependency so that we wouldn't be vulnerable to political and consequent economic turmoil by being effectively held hostage. Ronnie R killed that because he wasn't a thinking man like Carter in this regard. Clinton, nope. Either Bush? Obama? None have been people of the required vision and so we find ourselves with a potential problem with oil, perversely because the price is going the opposite direction. Still I don't see this as having to create deflation. If wages/jobs improve and a lower cost of everything that consumes oil offsets human employment costs then there would likely be an increased level of spending which can offset any minor deflation. No, I'm not a pretend economist, but it looks reasonable.
 

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Fox News and Fox Business host, Stuart Varney ran a segment on the October 28 edition of "Varney & Co." which questioned whether or not the falling gas prices were good for the economy. Varney highlighted a recent article in the Wall Street Journal that said, "gas at $3 carries rewards and risk," to which Varney also noted that "if you get down to low, American producers stop producing."

So stating the truth is a problem.

If it cost more to produce than the revenue from an item; you do not provide/make the item.

Oil production, auto production, insurance coverage, power generation, etc.
 
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