Fox News: Sandy hook contractors forbidden to discuss.

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I will say, however, it is pretty much irrefutable that Obama is a lizard person from inside the Earth.

QUIET YOU INTERLOPER!

 

[werepossum]

govt cannot be a necessary evil if it cannot be universally agreed on what evil is and it cannot be less evil than the men who run it.

said another way, institutions dont cause happiness, happiness comes from within.

Granted, but that removes the evil part, not the necessary part. Put it this way: government establishes a framework by which people who don't know each other can trust each other. I design electrical systems. I do not have to find someone who will trade food or shelter or energy for my design because we have government which establishes a currency and enforces contracts. Thus we both know exactly what we are getting and giving up, and we have some level of confidence that the other will honor his obligations.

As far as happiness coming from within, that is true, but government's role isn't to make you happy but to protect you from outside factors which will make you unhappy. It's hard to be happy if you bring home food and someone else comes in a takes it, or kicks you out of your house. Government done right is not merely a parasitic relationship, but a mutually beneficial relationship.

Are you sure you aren't motivated to think like this both so you can congratulate yourself on what you have achieved and blame others for their own failure and feel no responsibility for them? I just can't accept your answer and I'm trying to understand why. But regardless, this seems like much too big a question to just have a pat answer too. Why can't it be that the will to succeed gets damaged in some people and it's not really their fault. As deeply as I can see into this, it seems to me that attitude is like a switch that is either on or off for unknown reasons. Sometimes the switch setting changes. Is that volition or grace or something else? I do not know. And unless you really do know, perhaps it would be better not to assign blame.

Good points. Sometimes people get damaged; sometimes people are born damaged. But for most of us, we decide what we want and what we're willing to do to get it. I'll never be rich; I accept this as my own decision. If I define being rich as success, I must either agree to be a failure or live my life in way I'd prefer not to do in search of material wealth. If I want to be a welder, if I find it satisfying and the money sufficient for my needs, it makes no sense for me to define success as having a college education and a $200k white collar office job doing something I'd probably hate. Similarly, if I cannot drive it makes no sense for me to define success as something which involves driving, any more than it makes sense for me to decide at 5'-6" and 52 that success means life as a professional athlete. Success is self-defined and for most of us can accommodate not only what we will not do, but also what we cannot do. Success can be what ever makes us happy and helps or at least doesn't hurt others. That some very few people are unable to seek success and that some larger number are unable to seek success without the intervention of others does not mean that anyone should simply declare he cannot be successful.

I'm not willing to accept that Anarchist cannot be successful, although I can accept that he may need someone else's help in realizing that or in achieving his success. He is too articulate and too without venom for me to accept that he cannot be successful.

EDIT: I should add Moonie that my success is nothing particularly impressive. My house is paid for, but it's modest. My automobiles are paid for, but the newest one is 2004 and not an expensive model, but a Ranger with no options but the towing package. My boat is paid for, but it's a thirty year old 14' bass boat with a thirty-five year old outboard. My Ninja is paid for, but it cost only $5000 new in 2010. My wife doesn't work, but as you can see it's because we live simply and frugally, not because I'm a raging success. For a white male born to loving married parents at the tail end of the baby boom, this is hardly such atypical success that I need to change my world view to justify it.

 

[OutHouse]

Wow, just...wow. Are you for fricken real?

Maybe you should go dig up some graves to see if there's really any little kiddies with bullet holes lying in them. Or maybe it was actually government agents who shot those children?


But if that's the case, what about the survivors who claim it really was this Lanza guy just as originally claimed? Maybe you could waterboard them to see if their story holds up under improved interrogation conditions?!

Read the whole thread he is not the only crazy to actually believe sandy hook and columbine are fake.

 

[FaaR]

Read the whole thread he is not the only crazy to actually believe sandy hook and columbine are fake.

I actually did, and damn...! Some people here have issues. Seriously.

 

[monovillage]

Read the whole thread he is not the only crazy to actually believe sandy hook and columbine are fake.

While I don't think it was faked or a false flag etc. there were major problems with the investigation of Columbine and cover up by Sheriff Stone to hide major errors and mistakes the sheriff dept. made there.
http://columbinefamilyrequest.org/2010/01/columbine-anatomy-of-a-coverup/

I have a problem when authorities aren't answerable to the citizens and when investigations get drawn out, stone walled and covered up. The public has a right to know what happened in Sandy Hook and we shouldn't be shut out, shut up and silenced. While I understand the victims families shouldn't be forced to suffer additionally I don't think their concerns trump the public's interest.

 

[Sonikku]

Why are they tearing the school down?

To create jobs idiot.

More jobs taking it down.

More jobs propping it back up again.

Simple.

 

[FaaR]

I have a problem when authorities aren't answerable to the citizens and when investigations get drawn out, stone walled and covered up. The public has a right to know what happened in Sandy Hook and we shouldn't be shut out, shut up and silenced.

While I don't disagree that authorities should be accountable to the people who fund and elect them (that's a fundamental part of democracy), what reason do you have to doubt the official account of what happened at sandy hook?

Just because you may not be privy to all the details you feel entitled to (due to overly authoritarian police measures perhaps intended to protect survivors and family members of victims, or whatever), doesn't mean there's a conspiracy and/or coverup at work.

I would have suggested to just call up Fox Mulder at the FBI over in Washington for a sympathetic ear, ready to listen to any outlandish story, but then I remembered it isn't the 90s anymore, so...

 

[monovillage]

While I don't disagree that authorities should be accountable to the people who fund and elect them (that's a fundamental part of democracy), what reason do you have to doubt the official account of what happened at sandy hook?

Just because you may not be privy to all the details you feel entitled to (due to overly authoritarian police measures perhaps intended to protect survivors and family members of victims, or whatever), doesn't mean there's a conspiracy and/or coverup at work.

I would have suggested to just call up Fox Mulder at the FBI over in Washington for a sympathetic ear, ready to listen to any outlandish story, but then I remembered it isn't the 90s anymore, so...

As a citizen I AM entitled to know what happened in Sandy Hook. Nor have I ever said that there's some type of conspiracy going on, all I said is that the public has a right to know and a right to question the authorities in the case. The use of non-disclosure intimidation against workers is offensive.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

As a citizen I AM entitled to know what happened in Sandy Hook. Nor have I ever said that there's some type of conspiracy going on, all I said is that the public has a right to know and a right to question the authorities in the case. The use of non-disclosure intimidation against workers is offensive.

In what sense are you "entitled" to this? Based on the facts as we know them, there will be no criminal trial here, which is the first stage in which information regarding incidents like this becomes public. The investigation itself is not public, nor should it be in my view. I see no benefit to making this an ongoing public story, which would only needlessly tacitly encourage copycats.

I don't see how it is "intimidation" to require NDAs of contractors - if they don't like it, they don't have to work on the job site.

 

[FaaR]

As a citizen I AM entitled to know what happened in Sandy Hook.

You have been informed of what happened there. Crazy person guns down a score of little kiddies and six adults, including his own mother/grandmother/somesuch. What more do you feel entitled to know? The positions everybody died in, how many bullets went into whom, what?

And why?

"I have a right!!!" doesn't really cut it as a reason in face of a horrific tragedy, not when you or your family is not directly involved.

 

[ultimatebob]

Sell photographs of the site? Take things from the site to sell to morbidly curious people?

Or, take pictures of bullet hole evidence that doesn't match up with the official story of what supposedly happened there?

 

[monovillage]

You have been informed of what happened there. Crazy person guns down a score of little kiddies and six adults, including his own mother/grandmother/somesuch. What more do you feel entitled to know? The positions everybody died in, how many bullets went into whom, what?

And why?

"I have a right!!!" doesn't really cut it as a reason in face of a horrific tragedy, not when you or your family is not directly involved.

So in your opinion the citizens have no right to information, have no right to question authority and must accept anything an authority figure tells them such as "nothing to see here, move along"?

 

[FaaR]

So in your opinion the citizens have no right to information, have no right to question authority and must accept anything an authority figure tells them such as "nothing to see here, move along"?

All of that is pretty much the exact opposite of what I've actually stated in this thread, but that's what goes for written comprehension on the anandtech forum these days I guess. ...And they used to say that Steve Jobs had a reality distortion field, oye vey.

I can't help noticing that you also failed to answer any of my questions. That speaks just as loudly as your inability to properly interpret my posts...

 

[FaaR]

Or, take pictures of bullet hole evidence that doesn't match up with the official story of what supposedly happened there?

Why do you think there's reason to suspect the official story...? You some kind of crazy paranoid person or what?

 

[Thebobo]

Hey we have a Congressman who think we never killed Osama Bin Laden, that it was all a hoax. I'll leave it to you to guess which party he is from.

 

[Kadarin]

Why do you think there's reason to suspect the official story...? You some kind of crazy paranoid person or what?

There are enough anomalies that it calls the official account into question:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-sa...-unanswered-questions-and-missing-information

I won't say it was staged or was a false-flag operation, but I'd love to have these questions answered.

 

[Kadarin]

QUIET YOU INTERLOPER!

 

[ultimatebob]

Why do you think there's reason to suspect the official story...? You some kind of crazy paranoid person or what?

I mentioned this earlier. I don't think that Lanza exclusively used an AR-15 "assault weapon" to kill those kids, but Governor Malloy and company hid that information to help them get a statewide ban on those guns.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I mentioned this earlier. I don't think that Lanza exclusively used an AR-15 "assault weapon" to kill those kids, but Governor Malloy and company hid that information to help them get a statewide ban on those guns.

According to the ME, as I recall, all the victims were shot with the AR-15, and he committed suicide with a pistol (I believe it was a .40 cal Glock).

 

[monovillage]

All of that is pretty much the exact opposite of what I've actually stated in this thread, but that's what goes for written comprehension on the anandtech forum these days I guess. ...And they used to say that Steve Jobs had a reality distortion field, oye vey.

I can't help noticing that you also failed to answer any of my questions. That speaks just as loudly as your inability to properly interpret my posts...

They were all basically the same question which was answered in my post. Everything should be open and included in the public record. End of story.

 

[MagickMan]

You are really, very bad at insults. Keep trying though! :thumbsup:

People only bitch about the ones that strike close to home, right Sparky?

 

[Anarchist420]

Hey we have a Congressman who think we never killed Osama Bin Laden, that it was all a hoax. I'll leave it to you to guess which party he is from.

i wish people would stop saying "we killed him". another one that gets me is "u.s. at war with syria". when talking about post 1945 wars waged by the u.s. govt ive always made sure i say "at war against [insert most other countries in the world]" and i hope and believe that im not the only one.

 

[FaaR]

Everything should be open and included in the public record. End of story.

Yeah, I get this is your position (you've stated it multiple times now), but what actual precise reason(s) do you have for doubting the official account?

Just because you're not getting all the information you think you're entitled to doesn't automatically mean there is a coverup or a conspiracy.

 

[dank69]

People only bitch about the ones that strike close to home, right Sparky?

Further proving that you have no idea where you are or what's going on. :thumbsup:

 

[ultimatebob]

According to the ME, as I recall, all the victims were shot with the AR-15, and he committed suicide with a pistol (I believe it was a .40 cal Glock).

I prefer actual photographic evidence instead of some guy on the Internet repeating a press report.... even if he has a cool Gus Fring picture on his profile

Don't forget that Connecticut had tried (and failed) to ban "assault" style weapons several times before this, so getting this ban enacted was considered to be a major win for the Democratic party in this state. Obama even tried to use it as a rally point for national legislation.