Fox News thread:3-8-07 Edwards passes on debate in Vegas because Fox News was to be mediator

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Man... Kucinich all but called them cowards.

?Whatever their excuses, some candidates are clearly trying to avoid any head-to-head public debate where they will have to answer tough questions -- questions about their votes in favor of the Iraq war, their votes in favor of trade policies that have wiped out millions of American jobs, their votes in favor of abridging Constitutional rights by approving the Patriot Act, and their collaboration with insurance companies and pharmaceutical corporations to deny Americans adequate health care protection.?

Kucinich said ?it?s an insult to the voters, and the height of cynicism, for candidates to refuse to take the public stage and subject themselves to public scrutiny.?

The New Hampshire debate was announced on January 12. Only two days ago, Kucinich pointed out, did some candidates back out because of ?scheduling conflicts.?

?Is it possible that the real conflict was having to take the stage to defend their votes to fund the war?? Kucinich asked. Votes in the House and the Senate on a $100 billion supplemental appropriation are expected soon.

Other candidates were trying to sidestep the Nevada debate because they claimed that the sponsoring television network, Fox News Channel, was conservatively biased.

?If you want to be the President of the United States, you can?t be afraid to deal with people with whom you disagree politically,? Kucinich said. ?No one is further removed from Fox?s political philosophy than I am, but fear should not dictate decisions that affect hundreds of millions of Americans and billions of others around the world who are starving for real leadership.?

Granted, his position on the issue might be skewed as he desperately needs the attention/publicity to get any traction against HIll and Obama. But none the less, he's 100% right.

 

[piasabird]

Does any channel besides Fox have Legitimate News, or are they just Democratic Fan Boys?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: dmcowen674In case you haven't noticed because you personally are not affected obviously, that a lot of Americans are in fact losing their possesions as well as a roof over their head.

By next year at this rate the U.S. could have the highest rate of homeless citizens.

Great going you must be so proud.

and whose fault is this?

For the majority it is probably bad PERSONAL decisions that put them in dire straights. I am quite sure you can hand pick a few examples of people who the system took down, but the majority go down from bad personal choices.

You're right. The majority of people who are poor/in bad situations are there because of bad personal decisions. Take the continent of Africa for example. The whole damn continent seems to be full of people who just make terrible personal decisions!

Of course, you would say "Africa isn't the US!" And right you are, but then I would have to ask you at what yearly income level does poverty become a personal, rather then systemic failure.

 

[dmcowen674]

This is a little surprising.

Fellow Fox News pundits criticizing Ann Coulter:

Does Ann Coulter's Political Commentary Help Democrats? - 7/8/2007

MAUREEN DOWNEY (COMMENTARY): Early in her career, Ann Coulter discovered that she could sell more books and columns if she swore off thoughtful political analysis and just started calling Democrats "faggots."

A cheap character assassin in black sheath and heels, Coulter has become the Paris Hilton of the right, admired as much for her blond good looks and her short skirts as her unapologetic viciousness against Democrats.

But now her shrill-and-kill approach to political punditry is benefiting Democrats more than Republicans. She has crossed the line of decency so many times that smart conservatives turn their heads when they see her coming. Her comments have escalated from tasteless to hateful, and Democrats are rightfully capitalizing on the growing public revulsion.

SHAUNTI FELDHAHN (REBUTTAL): I share many of Ann Coulter's policy opinions, but I am the first to cringe at her harsh, personal comments against those who don't. Yes, we need more respectful dialogue -- but there's another key factor.

In trying to fire up the right, Coulter is actually a conservative version of political comedian Bill Maher, who is well-known for his over-the-top comments on the left. But since most media gatekeepers share Maher's ideology, he gets cast as an ironist and Coulter gets cast as a "character assassin."

Any approach that purposefully polarizes is counterproductive. But we conservatives should hold ourselves to an even higher standard. By ignoring the reality that the left-leaning media will magnify her already harsh comments, Ann Coulter ends up hurting the very beliefs that she is trying to promote.

 

[Hacp]

Hahaha. I make sure to watch Fox News two or three times every week, just because of how hilarious it is. The channel spreads so much misinformation, and is so biased towards conservatives that it makes me laugh all the time. For example, during the O'reilly factor in either April or May, I forget, Dennis Miller splurred racists remarks towards all Muslims. To summarize, he said that all muslims were terrorists;we should deport them right away. It was not the exact quote, and I may have messed up somehwere, but it was something along those lines. O'reilly just let him continue his remarks uninterrupted(If you watch the show, you notice how he interrupts the liberal opinions but not the conservative ones) and continue to bash muslims.

The next day, an angry muslim conservative mailed O'reilly saying that he was offended by Miller's attacks on Muslims. O'reilly calmly said that he "parried" the attacks, and that Fox News was a no spin zone. I was cracking up.

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Hahaha. I make sure to watch Fox News two or three times every week, just because of how hilarious it is. The channel spreads so much misinformation, and is so biased towards conservatives that it makes me laugh all the time. For example, during the O'reilly factor in either April or May, I forget, Dennis Miller splurred racists remarks towards all Muslims. To summarize, he said that all muslims were terrorists;we should deport them right away. It was not the exact quote, and I may have messed up somehwere, but it was something along those lines. O'reilly just let him continue his remarks uninterrupted(If you watch the show, you notice how he interrupts the liberal opinions but not the conservative ones) and continue to bash muslims.

The next day, an angry muslim conservative mailed O'reilly saying that he was offended by Miller's attacks on Muslims. O'reilly calmly said that he "parried" the attacks, and that Fox News was a no spin zone. I was cracking up.

Because there aren't any liberal opinion shows.... :roll:

 

[trenchfoot]

reporting the facts or anything else that coincidentally besmirches the extreme right is obviously a conspiracy from the liberal left while reporting the incessant right wing talking points and insidious propaganda from the neocons on fox is obviously the only "fair and balanced" mainstream media programming available.......ahahahahahaaaa. my my my.

from the ratings reports, rupert "goebbels" murdoch is hard at work and apparently doing quite well. so many sheep to tend to, so many sheep to fleece.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I think Edwards has called a spade a spade---you can't have clearly slanted commentary and still label yourself as a legitimate news channel----you can have it one way or the other but not both.

commentary is always clearly slanted. that's why it's called commentary. that's why commentary runs in the editorial section of the newspaper rather than the front page.





anyway, last debate i saw edwards in (the one vs cheney) he exposed himself for such a dumbass that i don't blame him for not wanting to be in further debates that might expose his idiocy.

 

[laketrout]

Originally posted by: tweaker2
reporting the facts or anything else that coincidentally besmirches the extreme right is obviously a conspiracy from the liberal left while reporting the incessant right wing talking points and insidious propaganda from the neocons on fox is obviously the only "fair and balanced" mainstream media programming available.......ahahahahahaaaa. my my my.

from the ratings reports, rupert "goebbels" murdoch is hard at work and apparently doing quite well. so many sheep to tend to, so many sheep to fleece.

So what are you saying? There shouldn't be any right leaning news agencies? That doesn't sound like a good idea to me. Besides, Fox isn't quite inline with how you're describing them anyway, they even gave SiCKO a very good recommendation. Doesn't sound like your description.

 

[senseamp]

Another wonderful "Fair and Balanced" piece (of ....) from Fox.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/...rist-recruitment-tool/

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Another wonderful "Fair and Balanced" piece (of ....) from Fox.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/...rist-recruitment-tool/

If you read around you will see that there is almost certainly a link between England?s lack of doctors and the ability of these guys to enter the country.
Now England has a lack of doctors because of their national healthcare system, so in a round about way the national healthcare system inadvertently helped this guys carry out their act of terror.

I believe right now as much as 25% of England?s doctors are foreign born. The people who a generation ago would have become doctors are choosing other careers with less government interference and more money and prestige.

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: senseamp
Another wonderful "Fair and Balanced" piece (of ....) from Fox.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/...rist-recruitment-tool/

If you read around you will see that there is almost certainly a link between England?s lack of doctors and the ability of these guys to enter the country.
Now England has a lack of doctors because of their national healthcare system, so in a round about way the national healthcare system inadvertently helped this guys carry out their act of terror.

I believe right now as much as 25% of England?s doctors are foreign born. The people who a generation ago would have become doctors are choosing other careers with less government interference and more money and prestige.

Well I guess we should stop designing chips in the US too, because maybe 20% of the computer engineers I work with are Muslims from countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh.
It's simply a laughable argument.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
MAUREEN DOWNEY (COMMENTARY): Early in her career, Ann Coulter discovered that she could sell more books and columns if she swore off thoughtful political analysis and just started calling Democrats "faggots."

For the record she did NOT call Edwards a 'lovely human.'

She said ?I was going to have a few comments on the other Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards, but it turns out you have to go into rehab if you use the word ?lovely human,? so I ? so kind of an impasse, can?t really talk about Edwards.?
Which was a reference to the guy from Gray's Anatomy having to get therapy for calling a gay cast member a 'lovely human.'
Of course the left never let?s a little thing like the truth get in the way of their attacks.

Just like her last controversy with Mrs Edwards.
"If I'm gonna say anything about John Edwards in the future, I'll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot,"
Which was almost a word for word quote of what Bill Maher said about Cheney, but no one seemed to care about Maher making that statement. But let Coulter say it and all hell breaks loose.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
MAUREEN DOWNEY (COMMENTARY): Early in her career, Ann Coulter discovered that she could sell more books and columns if she swore off thoughtful political analysis and just started calling Democrats "faggots."

For the record she did NOT call Edwards a 'lovely human.'

She said ?I was going to have a few comments on the other Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards, but it turns out you have to go into rehab if you use the word ?lovely human,? so I ? so kind of an impasse, can?t really talk about Edwards.?
Which was a reference to the guy from Gray's Anatomy having to get therapy for calling a gay cast member a 'lovely human.'
Of course the left never let?s a little thing like the truth get in the way of their attacks.

Just like her last controversy with Mrs Edwards.
"If I'm gonna say anything about John Edwards in the future, I'll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot,"
Which was almost a word for word quote of what Bill Maher said about Cheney, but no one seemed to care about Maher making that statement. But let Coulter say it and all hell breaks loose.

So its OK to take cheap shots at John Edwards under the guise of restraint?

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: senseamp
Another wonderful "Fair and Balanced" piece (of ....) from Fox.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/...rist-recruitment-tool/

If you read around you will see that there is almost certainly a link between England?s lack of doctors and the ability of these guys to enter the country.
Now England has a lack of doctors because of their national healthcare system, so in a round about way the national healthcare system inadvertently helped this guys carry out their act of terror.

I believe right now as much as 25% of England?s doctors are foreign born. The people who a generation ago would have become doctors are choosing other careers with less government interference and more money and prestige.

Well I guess we should stop designing chips in the US too, because maybe 20% of the computer engineers I work with are Muslims from countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh.
It's simply a laughable argument.

What percentage of them nation wide are from foreign countries though?
1. I highly doubt that 25% of ALL computer engineers nation wide are foreign born.
2. I don't think we are so short of them that we are recruiting anyone who wants to come to this country to be one.

At least two of these guys were turned down when they tried to enter Australia. And they tried to enter the US as well, and I believe they were turned down on that as well. That should tell you something about how qualified they are and their questionable background. The one guy disappeared for a year during his medical training. Was a radical before he disappeared, came back even more radical.

Furthermore, the fact that these guys met at the hospital and not a mosque tells you something. Are the English hospitals becoming breeding grounds for radicals? Intelligent jihadists who might not be willing to act out of their own finding other like minded people to carry their plots out with?

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
MAUREEN DOWNEY (COMMENTARY): Early in her career, Ann Coulter discovered that she could sell more books and columns if she swore off thoughtful political analysis and just started calling Democrats "faggots."

For the record she did NOT call Edwards a 'lovely human.'

She said ?I was going to have a few comments on the other Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards, but it turns out you have to go into rehab if you use the word ?lovely human,? so I ? so kind of an impasse, can?t really talk about Edwards.?
Which was a reference to the guy from Gray's Anatomy having to get therapy for calling a gay cast member a 'lovely human.'
Of course the left never let?s a little thing like the truth get in the way of their attacks.

Just like her last controversy with Mrs Edwards.
"If I'm gonna say anything about John Edwards in the future, I'll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot,"
Which was almost a word for word quote of what Bill Maher said about Cheney, but no one seemed to care about Maher making that statement. But let Coulter say it and all hell breaks loose.

So its OK to take cheap shots at John Edwards under the guise of restraint?

hmmm read some of things people on here say about Bush and get back to me.

BTW I don't aprove of what she said, but I understand the point she is trying to get across. There is a double standard on this issue.

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: senseamp
Another wonderful "Fair and Balanced" piece (of ....) from Fox.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/...rist-recruitment-tool/

If you read around you will see that there is almost certainly a link between England?s lack of doctors and the ability of these guys to enter the country.
Now England has a lack of doctors because of their national healthcare system, so in a round about way the national healthcare system inadvertently helped this guys carry out their act of terror.

I believe right now as much as 25% of England?s doctors are foreign born. The people who a generation ago would have become doctors are choosing other careers with less government interference and more money and prestige.

Well I guess we should stop designing chips in the US too, because maybe 20% of the computer engineers I work with are Muslims from countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh.
It's simply a laughable argument.

What percentage of them nation wide are from foreign countries though?
1. I highly doubt that 25% of ALL computer engineers nation wide are foreign born.

I have no doubt it's at least 25%. And in major technology hubs, like Silicon Valley, you'd be lucky to find 25% that aren't foreign born.

2. I don't think we are so short of them that we are recruiting anyone who wants to come to this country to be one.

Pretty much. That's why the tech companies are always fighting to expand H1B visa program. That's what's capping the number of foreign workers, not the demand.

At least two of these guys were turned down when they tried to enter Australia. And they tried to enter the US as well, and I believe they were turned down on that as well. That should tell you something about how qualified they are and their questionable background. The one guy disappeared for a year during his medical training. Was a radical before he disappeared, came back even more radical.

That is an issue with UK's background checks, not their medical system. Of course Fox News makes it sound that if we get universal healthcare, the terrorists win.

Furthermore, the fact that these guys met at the hospital and not a mosque tells you something. Are the English hospitals becoming breeding grounds for radicals? Intelligent jihadists who might not be willing to act out of their own finding other like minded people to carry their plots out with?

Yes, because they can't just go to the mosque or the internet for that, they need to be in a hospital. This is pretty absurd to say that hospitals are terrorist recruiting places, just because some doctors happened to be terrorists. Fox is spinning this story to push their political agenda. They aren't an honest broker for a debate.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Czar
<blockquote>quote:
Originally posted by: Shivetya
So Democrats are still hobbled by the extreme wing of their party? How is that news?

Oh, its news because its an opportunity to call Fox a non-news site? Fox is as much about news as CNN or MSNBC are. I don't watch any of them for my news.

You have to love it, refuse to debate on the basis that MoveOn.org ran a poll? MoveOn.org calling someone else bias is hilarious.

</blockquote>

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