FoxConn to Move to Wisconsin

TheVrolok

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Have been waiting for someone to post this since I heard Trump say it was "one of the greatest companies on Earth" (my poor recall of his exact words). Didn't they have to install suicide nets at one point? I know I know it was just one period in time and the employee suicide rate, I believe, was lower than the average rate in China (which is high), but the thoughts of "greatest company" and "suicide nets" were somewhat disparate..
 

TraumaRN

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I would be cautious about this. Foxconn as the article has noted, has pulled out of deals before. Secondly, the state may pay a steep tax cost to even get said factory. Lots of hoping and wishing in that article by Walker et al. Third...are there enough skilled workers to be able to do the jobs required? Is Foxconn going to train them?

I know in Michigan and South Carolina one of the struggles for manufacturing is the lack of skilled and qualified people. One of my friends works for the big 3 and his skills were in such demand they gave him a 10K signing bonus and then paid him 95K as a starting wage.

Another friend works in SC as a manager for an auto parts supplier. He offers monetary bonuses to non-employees if they refer qualified candidates to him. I feel like Foxconn will run smack into the same problem in Wisconsin.
 

ra1nman

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That manufacturing plant is going to be massive at 20 million sq/ft. I had worked in Illinois and worked in 1.5 million sq/ft and thought that was a lot of real estate. I work in mfg and glad that they're only specializing in class I products.
 
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Yup Foxconn has made commitments like this in the past. That being said this time it comes with a big $3 Billion dollar bag of cash from the citizens of Wisconsin. That might help.
 

bshole

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Yup Foxconn has made commitments like this in the past. That being said this time it comes with a big $3 Billion dollar bag of cash from the citizens of Wisconsin. That might help.

Yea that is steep. Wisconsin' total revenue is around 14 billion so that is about 25% of our revenue for one year. In any event, I could be looking at a nice salary bump because this was definitely create a lack of engineers in our area.
 

Engineer

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Great news. The more better paying jobs, the better and I'm all for more manufacturing (especially advanced manufacturing).

Edit: Damn, if then numbers are right, that place 2.5 times the size of the Camry/Lexus plant in Georgetown, KY? What the hell are they making that needs that much space? That's freaking huge!!!
 
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ch33zw1z

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Have been waiting for someone to post this since I heard Trump say it was "one of the greatest companies on Earth" (my poor recall of his exact words). Didn't they have to install suicide nets at one point? I know I know it was just one period in time and the employee suicide rate, I believe, was lower than the average rate in China (which is high), but the thoughts of "greatest company" and "suicide nets" were somewhat disparate..
Yes, they have a problem at they're million man campus with suicides. Instead of improving the lives of people working and living at the complex, they just installed nets to catch the jumpers.
 

Starbuck1975

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Yes, they have a problem at they're million man campus with suicides. Instead of improving the lives of people working and living at the complex, they just installed nets to catch the jumpers.
And Apple and Amazon, with their mountains of cash, did exactly what to discipline its supply chain? I believe Steve Jobs dismissed the suicide issue by stating the factory had a swimming pool.
 

ch33zw1z

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And Apple and Amazon, with their mountains of cash, did exactly what to discipline its supply chain? I believe Steve Jobs dismissed the suicide issue by stating the factory had a swimming pool.
What's your point?

Big vendors play stupid all the time.

Gap Inc says they have no idea what they're suppliers are doing.

Walmart does the same.

Foxconn is responsible for their actions. You don't like the idea of personal responsibility all of a sudden ?

If you don't like where a company is sourcing their products, vote with your wallet.

In Foxconn's case, that's damn near impossible, as they make stuff for almost every tech vendor.

Careful not to let your partisan affiliation show. I never commented on the specific article, just replied to one member about how foxconn values it's employees
 
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K1052

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$1M per job seems like quite the sweetener. There were a couple articles in the press here about why IL should be butthurt that we didn't get the plant but since it's in Kenosha it will surely draw from our labor pool anyway and I have issues giving away $3B to a private company in a race to the bottom on incentives.

Anyway the WaPo story notes the company's history of committing to some large investments then not performing.

Pennsylvania was not the only place that was disappointed by a promised Foxconn investment.

In 2014, the company signed a letter of intent to invest up to $1 billion in Indonesia. That investment has yet to occur. That same year, Foxconn said it planned to invest $5 billion over five years in India, creating 50,000 jobs. But three years later, Foxconn’s investment has amounted to only a small fraction of its original promise.

And there was Foxconn’s plans for a $5 billion investment in Vietnam and $10 billion in Brazil — both projects have fallen far short of expectations.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rump-and-scott-walker/?utm_term=.325a230bd06c
 
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K1052

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I would be cautious about this. Foxconn as the article has noted, has pulled out of deals before. Secondly, the state may pay a steep tax cost to even get said factory. Lots of hoping and wishing in that article by Walker et al. Third...are there enough skilled workers to be able to do the jobs required? Is Foxconn going to train them?

I know in Michigan and South Carolina one of the struggles for manufacturing is the lack of skilled and qualified people. One of my friends works for the big 3 and his skills were in such demand they gave him a 10K signing bonus and then paid him 95K as a starting wage.

Another friend works in SC as a manager for an auto parts supplier. He offers monetary bonuses to non-employees if they refer qualified candidates to him. I feel like Foxconn will run smack into the same problem in Wisconsin.

There's a reason this is within spitting distance to the IL state line. Access to the Chicago metro labor pool. The Kenosha Engine site is just a few blocks away from the terminus of the UP-North Metra commuter line.
 

Starbuck1975

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What's your point?

Big vendors play stupid all the time.

Gap Inc says they have no idea what they're suppliers are doing.

Walmart does the same.

Foxconn is responsible for their actions. You don't like the idea of personal responsibility all of a sudden ?

If you don't like where a company is sourcing their products, vote with your wallet.

In Foxconn's case, that's damn near impossible, as they make stuff for almost every tech vendor.

Careful not to let your partisan affiliation show. I never commented on the specific article, just replied to one member about how foxconn values it's employees
No, I just find tech firms incredibly hypocritical...dipping their toes into the pool of solving first world problems and social engineering here in America, yet exploiting the workers in their supply chain and feigning ignorance, no different than the industrial oligarchs that preceded them.
 

ch33zw1z

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No, I just find tech firms incredibly hypocritical...dipping their toes into the pool of solving first world problems and social engineering here in America, yet exploiting the workers in their supply chain and feigning ignorance, no different than the industrial oligarchs that preceded them.

I'm not disagreeing. They use out of sight, out of mind as their buffer. Typical corporate bullshit. The tech firms aren't the .org's technically exploiting workers, and feign ignorance when it comes up.

Foxconn obviously will adhere to different standards here in the states, but their view of employees still remains.
 
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Thebobo

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Are they going to import workers? Chinese companies have a history of not hiring regionally.
And read this article.

In this part of the Midwest, the problem isn’t China. It’s too many jobs.

"WARSAW, Ind. — Each day at Zimmer Biomet headquarters, machinists on one robot-assisted factory floor churn out about 3,000 metallic knee parts. They are facing pressure to crank up the pace as the population ages and demand soars.

But the artificial-bone giant is grappling with a steep downside of the nation’s low unemployment rate: It is struggling to find enough workers, despite offering some of the region’s best pay and benefits. Forty positions sit open.

Other manufacturers in Kosciusko County, home to roughly one-third of global orthopedic device production, are running into the same problem."

Full story
 
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ch33zw1z

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Are they going to import workers? Chinese companies have a history of not hiring regionally.
And read this article.

In this part of the Midwest, the problem isn’t China. It’s too many jobs.

"WARSAW, Ind. — Each day at Zimmer Biomet headquarters, machinists on one robot-assisted factory floor churn out about 3,000 metallic knee parts. They are facing pressure to crank up the pace as the population ages and demand soars.

But the artificial-bone giant is grappling with a steep downside of the nation’s low unemployment rate: It is struggling to find enough workers, despite offering some of the region’s best pay and benefits. Forty positions sit open.

Other manufacturers in Kosciusko County, home to roughly one-third of global orthopedic device production, are running into the same problem."

Full story

They should offer incentives to move there. Wonder if that would help.
 

TraumaRN

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There's a reason this is within spitting distance to the IL state line. Access to the Chicago metro labor pool. The Kenosha Engine site is just a few blocks away from the terminus of the UP-North Metra commuter line.

Oh I looked it up on Google Maps and noticed that as well. However, going back to my 2 examples, my Michigan friend is in the Metro Detroit area,so around 5 million people. My SC friend is in the Greenville-Spartanburg area which has about 1.4 million people. Just because you've got access to a large labor pool doesn't mean you have the right workers.

My own profession(nursing) has that acute problem as well. I was on the interview panel to hire a new nurse manager for one of our departments. We had the position open for 6 months got 7 resumes/CVs and only 3 of those people were actually qualified enough to interview for a job w/ an 85k starting wage. Luckily, one was exactly what we were looking for. But yeah, it's tough out there if you're looking for skilled *anything* And I'm in the Metro Detroit area.
 

K1052

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Oh I looked it up on Google Maps and noticed that as well. However, going back to my 2 examples, my Michigan friend is in the Metro Detroit area,so around 5 million people. My SC friend is in the Greenville-Spartanburg area which has about 1.4 million people. Just because you've got access to a large labor pool doesn't mean you have the right workers.

My own profession(nursing) has that acute problem as well. I was on the interview panel to hire a new nurse manager for one of our departments. We had the position open for 6 months got 7 resumes/CVs and only 3 of those people were actually qualified enough to interview for a job w/ an 85k starting wage. Luckily, one was exactly what we were looking for. But yeah, it's tough out there if you're looking for skilled *anything* And I'm in the Metro Detroit area.

The Chicago MSA is 9.4M, 3rd largest in the country. Were I a company coming in I'd probably like my odds.
 

Zstream

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Are they going to import workers? Chinese companies have a history of not hiring regionally.
And read this article.

In this part of the Midwest, the problem isn’t China. It’s too many jobs.

"WARSAW, Ind. — Each day at Zimmer Biomet headquarters, machinists on one robot-assisted factory floor churn out about 3,000 metallic knee parts. They are facing pressure to crank up the pace as the population ages and demand soars.

But the artificial-bone giant is grappling with a steep downside of the nation’s low unemployment rate: It is struggling to find enough workers, despite offering some of the region’s best pay and benefits. Forty positions sit open.

Other manufacturers in Kosciusko County, home to roughly one-third of global orthopedic device production, are running into the same problem."

Full story

Make welfare and foot stamps a work requirement and your problem is solved.
 

Zstream

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Not in county with a 2 percent unemployment rate, read the whole article.

I have, and spent many hours researching. Take the 10+ thousand (average) per state that could be working that are on some sort of government aid/not working, and your problem is solved.
 
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