FoxConn to Move to Wisconsin

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werepossum

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Yeah, cheap labor means that your products will be as ubiquitous as silicon. If they build a plant here, I don't know how they'll keep labor costs down unless by then the minimum wage will be eliminated in the state, or desperation for jobs that will undercut American dreams, or they'll get tax breaks so great that they'll be paid instead, or...

Some comments refer to the skills needed, but if it's mainly manufacturing, most of the jobs can be easily learned. Someone I knew was unskilled in micro-electronics, and Siemens hired him anyway to repair hearing aids. He was frustrated at first with the steadiness needed to solder the super-tiny components, but he got it and thrived there until that So. Cal. facility was closed. I'm guessing the jobs moved to Asia. Jobs come and go with the tide of profit and efficiency. More with less should be a motto for all business.
Kind of depends on where in China and what skills are required. When GE moved its high end appliance manufacturing back to America several years back, their overall labor costs were roughly the same between Guangzhow (IIRC) and Ohio or Kentucky. There are still lots of much lower paid manufacturing positions which cost a manufacturer a fraction of what an American costs, but here we're talking the cream of manufacturing, people running automated robotic and/or CNC equipment. This type of training takes years and require smarter-than-average people, and given the extremely competitive Chinese manufacturing market, accordingly command a large premium.

I don't know anything about the new Foxconn, but I assume that the low skilled manufacturing jobs will be mostly replaced with automation. Obviously this is much more difficult with repair than with manufacturing.
 

Engineer

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Kind of depends on where in China and what skills are required. When GE moved its high end appliance manufacturing back to America several years back, their overall labor costs were roughly the same between Guangzhow (IIRC) and Ohio or Kentucky. There are still lots of much lower paid manufacturing positions which cost a manufacturer a fraction of what an American costs, but here we're talking the cream of manufacturing, people running automated robotic and/or CNC equipment. This type of training takes years and require smarter-than-average people, and given the extremely competitive Chinese manufacturing market, accordingly command a large premium.

I don't know anything about the new Foxconn, but I assume that the low skilled manufacturing jobs will be mostly replaced with automation. Obviously this is much more difficult with repair than with manufacturing.

Interesting to note that GE was so overwhelmed when moving back that they had to import Chinese to get the place up and running. Not enough experience in the US to get it up and running (I wonder why?). Also note that it was sold to Chinese owned Haier under the name GE Appliances (can use GE name until 2056).
 

werepossum

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Interesting to note that GE was so overwhelmed when moving back that they had to import Chinese to get the place up and running. Not enough experience in the US to get it up and running (I wonder why?). Also note that it was sold to Chinese owned Haier under the name GE Appliances (can use GE name until 2056).
There are a huge number of American companies and divisions of companies now owned by foreign interests. It's a function of our continuing huge trade deficits, high corporate tax structure, and lack of protectionism, even against countries like China which aggressively guard against foreign ownership.
 

K1052

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WI taxpayers will be paying billions of dollars to further poison themselves to fatten profits for a foreign company. So much MAGAing.


The Trump administration on Tuesday exempted most of southeast Wisconsin from the latest federal limits on lung-damaging smog pollution, delivering a political victory to Gov. Scott Walker as he makes a new Foxconn Technology Group factory the centerpiece of his re-election campaign.

By dramatically reducing the size of the areas required to crack down on smog, Trump EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt overruled the agency’s career staff, a move that will save Foxconn from having to make expensive improvements as it builds a sprawling new electronics plant in Racine County, just north of the Illinois border in an area with some of the state’s dirtiest air.

Smog, also known as ground-level ozone, is formed by a reaction between sunlight and pollution from car tailpipes, power plants and factories, fumes from volatile solvents and gasoline vapors. After a scientific review required every five years by the federal Clean Air Act, the Obama EPA tightened the national smog standard in 2015 to 70 parts per billion, down from the 75 ppb limit set during the Bush administration.

Average smog concentrations in all of the Wisconsin areas initially targeted by the EPA exceeded the new federal limit during the past three years, according to state monitoring data. Smog levels peaked at 83 ppb last year in Racine County and averaged 75 ppb between 2015 and 2017.

If Pruitt had followed the EPA staff report, Foxconn and other industrial sources of smog-forming pollution in Racine County would have been required to install more effective pollution-control equipment, scale back production or broker costly emissions-trading agreements with cleaner facilities.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-smog-pruitt-foxconn-20180501-story.html
 

sdifox

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Great news. The more better paying jobs, the better and I'm all for more manufacturing (especially advanced manufacturing).

Edit: Damn, if then numbers are right, that place 2.5 times the size of the Camry/Lexus plant in Georgetown, KY? What the hell are they making that needs that much space? That's freaking huge!!!


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K1052

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Well, they voted for it. I do feel bad for Chicago.

We're going to sue the feds over the rule change.

https://www.wisconsingazette.com/ne...cle_ba26a9d4-521e-11e8-9444-2f0300c7212f.html

Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan plans to file a lawsuit challenging a recently issued rule by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency that will allow Foxconn to avoid installing stringent emission controls in Racine County.

Madigan plans to file her lawsuit challenging the final rule in the Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit within 60 days of the final rule being published in the Federal Register.

The rule, April 30, designates Racine County, future home of Foxconn’s $10 billion plant, as in “attainment,” meaning it does not need to meet stricter standards for controlling smog and air pollution despite indisputable pollution monitoring data showing Wisconsin's Racine County exceeds ozone levels beyond the 70 parts per billion (ppb) limit.
 

Homerboy

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Scott Walker is encouraging IL residents to take jobs at the plant presumably because they'll be so overcome with the majesty of Racine that they'll not be able to resist moving to WI.

This is not a joke.

Well, to be fair, Racine sucks. But it's still better than northern Illinois (or any of Illinois for that matter)
 
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