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SMOGZINN

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Depends on how much support Mitch has. Roberts presides over the proceedings based on the rules of the Senate but 51 senators can change them at any time if they feel like it. I do doubt McConnell would have sufficient support to alter the rules in any meaningful way after the trial begins though so maybe it doesn't matter.

After it begins I don't know if he can change it. It would an interesting question, can the Senate override the Judge presiding over the trial by changing the rules mid-trail? It would be the Chief Justice they would be overriding, a member of the very court that would decide the case (even if he would almost certainly recuse himself from the decision). I'm just not sure SCOTUS would say yes to that.
 

K1052

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Depends on how much support Mitch has. Roberts presides over the proceedings based on the rules of the Senate but 51 senators can change them at any time if they feel like it. I do doubt McConnell would have sufficient support to alter the rules in any meaningful way after the trial begins though so maybe it doesn't matter.

I think it would be a heavy lift to alter the rules after it starts given the position of the senators up in 20 and one or two very likely no votes like Romney. I doubt that Mitch would put them in that position knowing what next year could look like.
 

ewdotson

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Depends on how much support Mitch has. Roberts presides over the proceedings based on the rules of the Senate but 51 senators can change them at any time if they feel like it. I do doubt McConnell would have sufficient support to alter the rules in any meaningful way after the trial begins though so maybe it doesn't matter.
A small correction (edit: not actually a correction, I misread your post): Roberts presiding over the trial is baked into the Constitution. That much the Senate has no choice about. But pretty much everything else about the trial and just what exactly powers are implied by the chief justice presiding over the trial are subject to the Senate's rules. Which are pretty strict right now but could be changed via vote. That's why the support of Senators like Romney for a fair and honest trial is actually quite important.
 
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fskimospy

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After it begins I don't know if he can change it. It would an interesting question, can the Senate override the Judge presiding over the trial by changing the rules mid-trail? It would be the Chief Justice they would be overriding, a member of the very court that would decide the case (even if he would almost certainly recuse himself from the decision). I'm just not sure SCOTUS would say yes to that.

Well the Constitution is pretty clear that each chamber sets the rules for its proceedings. It would seem that Roberts’ role would be to ensure that the trial is conducted by those rules. As K1052 said I think the obstacle would be political, not legal.
 

fskimospy

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A small correction (edit: not actually a correction, I misread your post): Roberts presiding over the trial is baked into the Constitution. That much the Senate has no choice about. But pretty much everything else about the trial and just what exactly powers are implied by the chief justice presiding over the trial are subject to the Senate's rules. Which are pretty strict right now but could be changed via vote. That's why the support of Senators like Romney for a fair and honest trial is actually quite important.

Yes I agree, Romney has acquitted himself about as well as could be expected for a Republican right now. (this surely indicates how low expectations are) I wouldn't be surprised if Democrats need his help to stop some sort of show trial from happening.
 

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Well the Constitution is pretty clear that each chamber sets the rules for its proceedings. It would seem that Roberts’ role would be to ensure that the trial is conducted by those rules. As K1052 said I think the obstacle would be political, not legal.
I think that matters a lot on just what they do. If the Judge made a decision, (Just as an example that the 'jury' of senators are not able to cross examine) and the Senate voted to overrule that, it could be said that he is no longer over the trail, and that the rules are being made up as they go. If they tried there is no doubt the Democrats would challenge it. They would argue what is even the point of having the Chief Justice over the trial if he has no ability to make rulings?
 

dank69

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Most interesting is that Taylor's testimony linked the aid to an ANNOUNCEMENT of an investigation into Biden, not any actual investigation. Seems like Trump was looking for the headline, not the investigation.

This is of course not at all surprising.
This is worse than requiring an actual investigation because if he requested an actual investigation at least that can be framed as "trying to stop corruption." Simply requesting an announcement can only be framed as desiring negative publicity for his political opponent.
 
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brycejones

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House Republicans are getting desperate.

House Republicans stormed the hearing room where Pentagon official was testifying
As Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Laura Cooper was sitting down to testify, the roughly couple dozen Republicans stormed through the three different doors, a source in the room said.
Rep. Bradley Byrne yelled in committee Chair Adam Schiff's face, but Schiff didn't engage. Other Democrats, including Val Demings, screamed back at both Byrne and Rep. Louie Gohmert, who were yelling about the process.
"It was closest thing I've seen around here to mass civil unrest as a member of Congress," according to a source in the room.
Cooper left the room while the Republicans refused to leave.
The source says the Capitol Police and sergeant at arms have been consulted as members refuse to leave the room.

 

zinfamous

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Looks as if the whistleleaker is a guy named Eric Ciaramella. It's been out for over 6 hours.
Why do you defend a criminal president by slandering those with an actual moral sense of duty? Is this how you want your children to grow up? Also, Trump has already openly admitted to the claims, without hesitation and without confusion, so what is it about the original whistleblower's call that you find worthy of derision?

It's not the commission of crime, but the snitching that bothers you, right? That is exactly what you are saying, after all.
 
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Depends on how much support Mitch has. Roberts presides over the proceedings based on the rules of the Senate but 51 senators can change them at any time if they feel like it. I do doubt McConnell would have sufficient support to alter the rules in any meaningful way after the trial begins though so maybe it doesn't matter.

I’m starting to believe #moscowmitch will choose to have the ballot be secret.
As I understand he sets the rules
Easy to explain to deplorable’s “hey it’s a vote”
Easy to explain the cameras see above
Totally gets him off the hook
Keeps who voted for or against secret
If the shit show continues Republicans could say we all voted for it against those nasty Democrats
If the shit show subsides they could all say “who me? I didn’t vote for impeachment” even though we all know 20-something of them did vote yes.

To be clear I don’t think this is likely, just more possible today than last week.
 
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House Republicans are getting desperate.

House Republicans stormed the hearing room where Pentagon official was testifying
As Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Laura Cooper was sitting down to testify, the roughly couple dozen Republicans stormed through the three different doors, a source in the room said.
Rep. Bradley Byrne yelled in committee Chair Adam Schiff's face, but Schiff didn't engage. Other Democrats, including Val Demings, screamed back at both Byrne and Rep. Louie Gohmert, who were yelling about the process.
"It was closest thing I've seen around here to mass civil unrest as a member of Congress," according to a source in the room.
Cooper left the room while the Republicans refused to leave.
The source says the Capitol Police and sergeant at arms have been consulted as members refuse to leave the room.

Democrats still being noobs, by now it should be understood there are some in Congress who want to disrupt.
There should be the Sargent at Arms and his assistants guarding the doors. I know it hasn’t been done recently but it’s literally in the guys job description.
Shit tile the doors if necessary.
 

interchange

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Well the Constitution is pretty clear that each chamber sets the rules for its proceedings. It would seem that Roberts’ role would be to ensure that the trial is conducted by those rules. As K1052 said I think the obstacle would be political, not legal.

Exactly. They don't make up the rules as they go. They set the rules before starting the trial. Or at least enough of them so that they can move forward with whatever place in the impeachment trial they are in. I feel a whole lot more comfortable with Roberts presiding here because I believe he will effectively enforce the rules they set, and there won't be funny business about partisanship in this role.
 

K1052

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Matt Gaetz and 20ish GOP house members stormed the House SCIF with their phones and Gaetz is apparently tweeting form inside the SCIF which is not only extremely against house rules but likely a felony. Nation of laws something something.
 
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Commodus

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House Republicans are getting desperate.

House Republicans stormed the hearing room where Pentagon official was testifying
As Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Laura Cooper was sitting down to testify, the roughly couple dozen Republicans stormed through the three different doors, a source in the room said.
Rep. Bradley Byrne yelled in committee Chair Adam Schiff's face, but Schiff didn't engage. Other Democrats, including Val Demings, screamed back at both Byrne and Rep. Louie Gohmert, who were yelling about the process.
"It was closest thing I've seen around here to mass civil unrest as a member of Congress," according to a source in the room.
Cooper left the room while the Republicans refused to leave.
The source says the Capitol Police and sergeant at arms have been consulted as members refuse to leave the room.


This is what's worrying -- that Republicans have chained their fate so tightly to Trump that they'll resort to increasingly desperate measures to keep him in power. This is no doubt part of why so many Republicans are bowing out of politics -- they don't want to be associated with a pack of sycophants that are willing to do increasingly despicable things to hold on to power.
 

brycejones

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Matt Gaetz and 20ish GOP house members stormed the House SCIF with their phones and Gaetz is apparently tweeting form inside the SCIF which is not only extremely against house rules but likely a felony. Nation of laws something something.

Its a shame house members don't have better access to mental health care.
 
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interchange

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Matt Gaetz and 20ish GOP house members stormed the House SCIF with their phones and Gaetz is apparently tweeting form inside the SCIF which is not only extremely against house rules but likely a felony. Nation of laws something something.

It's sickening that political division in our country is allowing our elected representatives to commit crimes out in the open with zero consequence.
 
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zinfamous

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Jefferson, Adams, Washington, Monroe would have hanged all of these treasonous scum parading around the GOP today.
 
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Zorba

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Matt Gaetz and 20ish GOP house members stormed the House SCIF with their phones and Gaetz is apparently tweeting form inside the SCIF which is not only extremely against house rules but likely a felony. Nation of laws something something.
Not just a felony, but under the same attack they wanted to "Lock Her Up" over...
 
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Jhhnn

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Democrats still being noobs, by now it should be understood there are some in Congress who want to disrupt.
There should be the Sargent at Arms and his assistants guarding the doors. I know it hasn’t been done recently but it’s literally in the guys job description.
Shit tile the doors if necessary.

"Process" is what they're trying to obstruct. What they're actually objecting to is rule changes they made when last in power. Funny that.
 
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"Process" is what they're trying to obstruct. What they're actually objecting to is rule changes they made when last in power. Funny that.

I’ve heard this and if so Nancy should have a huge board up with it printed as in:
“Per order of 2015 Congress....”
Next to it should be a sign saying “Signed” with all the names who signed off on it
 
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