Keeping prostitution illegal means that prostitutes can't rely on protection from the law, can't easily receive clients without connections, and need other people to help manage their income in ways that will keep them from getting caught for not paying taxes.
Legalizing it will remove these barriers and will open up much more free market pressure making it harder to compete with the overhead of giving some other people big chunks of your money. Meanwhile, pimping could be further tightened down by making that illegal separately.
^Not her choice, according to old women who know that men their age want younger pussy and will even pay for it.This is why I want it legalized. It opens the proper channels to collect the taxes and to grant protections (ie, it removes the fear of talking to police.)
If a woman is, of her own free will, interested in having sex for money...well, that's her choice.
Keeping prostitution illegal means that prostitutes can't rely on protection from the law, can't easily receive clients without connections, and need other people to help manage their income in ways that will keep them from getting caught for not paying taxes.
Legalizing it will remove these barriers and will open up much more free market pressure making it harder to compete with the overhead of giving some other people big chunks of your money. Meanwhile, pimping could be further tightened down by making that illegal separately.
Also, she is claiming "prostitution is violence" i.e. insinuating that men's urges to fuck = violence. No wonder their dipshit country has a negative non-immigrant birthrate.
^Not her choice, according to old women who know that men their age want younger pussy and will even pay for it.
A lot of what you're talking about is sex trafficking/imported prostitution. I fully understand and support banning that, but how many legal, regulated, natural-born prostitutes have the same problems?
Well, obviously I don't view prostitution among consenting adults as the same thing as sex trafficking of minors. And agree, this law doesn't do anything to address trafficking minors.Prostitution is violence when children are exploited and coerced/forced into having sex with strangers on the other side of the planet for money until it becomes normal for them. Obviously not all prostitution is like that, but if the 80% figures above apply to France, then it is the majority. Of course, this kind of a law doesn't seem likely to fix the problem. The better solution would be to only allow native citizens to prostitute themselves, and to charge those that solicit adolescents and younger with rape.
So I'm guessing that you agree. Who benefits from banning paid sex and only charging men with it? Only women who want less competition. Ever seen the movie Pretty Woman? Women have seen it too.You maaaaay want to lay off the self projection there.
People experiencing trauma in early childhood will generally have worse lives into adulthood. I mean, I think porn stars are over-represented by women that were sexually abused at some point too, they're basically prostitutes that everyone gets to watch and fap to forever, but you don't hear much talk about banning that. Let's say that sexual abuse removes the "sacred" factor that we traditionally associate with sex; it would be unfortunate that a prostitute experienced that in the first place, but if their concept of self-worth is reduced enough to make the selling of their bodies lucrative, how do you tell them they're wrong?
So I'm guessing that you agree. Who benefits from banning paid sex and only charging men with it? Only women who want less competition. Ever seen the movie Pretty Woman? Women have seen it too.
Well, obviously I don't view prostitution among consenting adults as the same thing as sex trafficking of minors. And agree, this law doesn't do anything to address trafficking minors.
I don't think that only allowing citizens to prostitute is the answer either, many immigrants with zero job skills come over and rely on it as a livelihood. The best way to do it is to make it like Uber - paid transactions that are regulated (I think canada does it this way) with prostitutes who are registered with their province/state etc. Use undercover sting operations to bust people trafficking minors. Banning paid sex is throwing the baby out with the bathwater and it's obvious what this old hag is trying to do (turn her country's men into low T eunuchs).
In France? You can't build a Wall after the refugees are already there. Sometimes you have to learn the hard way:Many illegal immigrants, maybe. What happened to The Wall™?
In France? You can't build a Wall after the refugees are already there. Sometimes you have to learn the hard way:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-says-refugee-crisis-is-destabilising-europe
With 10% unemployment, prostitutes are already struggling to find work. France is a disaster and cautionary tale for the U.S.
You really must have to work to make this stuff up, I'd hope.
The French prime minister, Manuel Valls, has said Europe cannot take in all the refugees fleeing wars in Iraq and Syria without putting the concept of Europe itself in grave danger.
Speaking to the BBC at the Economic Forum in Davos, Valls said Europe needed to take urgent action to control its external borders. “Otherwise,” he said, “our societies will be totally destabilised.”
what did he make up?
it's right there in black and white what the French PM said.
Speedy is raving about prostitutes, saying that they empower manly men, and that it's the immigrants taking their jobs.
It's just...Bemusing.
France is to make it illegal to pay for sex after MPs finally approved new legislation on prostitution following more than two years of rows and opposition by senators.
Under the new law, anyone caught purchasing an act from a sex worker will be fined and required to attend classes on the harms of prostitution.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-illegal-to-pay-for-sex-criminalise-customersThe move makes France one of only a handful of European countries to follow the Nordic model of criminalising consumers rather than sex workers. These include Norway and Iceland. Last year, Northern Ireland introduced legislation to make it the only part of the UK where people can be convicted of paying for sex.
again it's right here in the article about it.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-illegal-to-pay-for-sex-criminalise-customers
so who is this law going after?
are there a lot of male sex workers?
i doubt it. so they are punishing men and not women.
That's just the thing though. France is "unbanning" solicitation by women but banning "payment for sex" by men. Hence removing all penalty from the woman. Olivier claims she wants to eradicate prostitution but she's only going to increase it as the women will conduct their profession in the privacy of homes on the internet vs the street which makes it more unregulated and less safe. Now women will have to do it on private property vs public to earn a living.
Also, she is claiming "prostitution is violence" i.e. insinuating that men's urges to fuck = violence. No wonder their dipshit country has a negative non-immigrant birthrate.
The bottom line is that studies show that prostitutes are safer when it is legal/regulated, not banned where they have no protection. This is a clear case of old French women trying to take away men's right to fuck whoever they want (to pay) away. When you fuck, your testosterone spikes and it's healthy for men. In my single days I would probably have tried it if it was legal/safe. Why not if you have the money and the urge hits? This (and weed legalization) is where Canada has the U.S. beat by a mile.
I added part of the article in the OP for you.
I think it MAY be a bit of a leap though to conclude it's an active effort to target men. It's a different approach (to attack the consumer and not the dealer.)
I don't know enough about other countries using this model to comment on its success rate compared to attacking the dealer (or going after both.)
I'm pretty sure that the violence statement is not supposed to imply that a having sex with a prostitute is violence. It's simply a fact that some portion of prostitutes were either forced into it or otherwise do not feel they can safely leave it. That in whatever capacity it exists is an institution of violence.
I don't know how many prostitutes can't voluntarily leave if they want to. But I do know that the number is higher than the number of customers who feel like they have no choice but to pay for sex. So yes, if it has to be kept illegal I would much rather the buyers are punished than risk punishing someone who is forced into it.
And I don't know about France, but in America anti-prostitution is more of a conservative position. Democrats and Independents are far more supportive of legalizing prostitution than Republican:
https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/09/01/country-split-legalizing-prostitution/
Probably because it goes against the norms of keeping sex to a marital expression of intimacy. So keeping it illegal is hardly some strictly leftist feminist prerogative like you seem to be putting it. A lot of feminists would prefer women be allowed the personal freedom and sexual agency to have sex under the terms they please.
Anti-prostitution feminists hold that prostitution is a form of exploitation of women and male dominance over women, and a practice which is the result of the existing patriarchal societal order. These feminists argue that prostitution has a very negative effect, both on the prostitutes themselves and on society as a whole, as it reinforces stereotypical views about women, who are seen as sex objects which can be used and abused by men.
Other feminists hold that prostitution and other forms of sex work can be valid choices for women and men who choose to engage in it. In this view, prostitution must be differentiated from forced prostitution, and feminists should support sex worker activism against abuses by both the sex industry and the legal system.
The disagreement between these two feminist stances has proven particularly contentious, and may be comparable to the feminist sex wars (acrimonious debates on sex issues) of the late twentieth century.[2]
So we are seeing these liberal countries up the risk factor for anyone who wants to sell their body. Brilliant.In response, Peter MacKay, the Minister of Justice, introduced amending legislation, C-36,[20] the "Protection of Communities and Exploited Persons Act" on June 4, 2014,[21] which received first reading. It came into effect on December 6, 2014.[3] The act is criticized by sex workers who believe that it is worse for their safety than the previous law because it forces the sex industry further underground.[22]
Around a dozen organisations, which included Strass, but also Doctors of the World and France’s leading AIDS advocacy group, further argued that the measures to help sex workers transition to a new life was misguided and underfunded.
First, show me where the majority of women who are forced into it, I'm not seeing that mentioned anywhere. If it was still illegal and the female is caught, then that would actually a good thing because there are organizations that can help them like STRASS (French union of sex workers) or Movement of the Nest (if they want to quit).
Second, I am well aware of why prostitution is illegal in this country partly due to conservative roots but it's also kept that way due to feminists. There are some feminists who think that it should be a profession so both sides are at war - probably the ugly women want it prohibited because omg-male-dominance-patriarchy and the pretty ones want to have it as an option to work:
So in the US, it's a two pronged attack from both sides. If the ugly feminists had their way (and it was legal like France), they would oonly penalize men like France just did and put the blame solely on them. This is an attack on men because it is healthy for men to have sex, not all men can get it for free. Canada is the same as well, they legalized solicitation but put the onus on the customer (men):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Canada#Sex_tourism
So globally the ugly feminists (politicians) outnumber the pretty ones (workers). :biggrin:
STRASS shows that there are tens of thousands of French women who make an honest living doing this and now they are going to have to solicit clients into homes from online. And btw, Canada recently ruled the same thing and Canadian sex workers said it endangers them even more:
So we are seeing these liberal countries up the risk factor for anyone who wants to sell their body. Brilliant.
Prostitution in an economy with 10% unemployment is creating more jobs and giving women a chance to earn a living instead of sucking the gov teat. Many social groups disagreed with the legislation, especially on helping them find a new life (i.e. new profession lol):