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MajinCry

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They're not an official party, but they do have overwhelming political power.

So you think feminists are part of some global organization conspiracy. Riiiiiiight.

Every attempt to reform things like child support and alimony are quickly scrapped when the hive mind hears of it. Up in Canada, the pope of feminism declared that half of his cabinet ministers will be women, regardless of their qualifications or experience. How is that any different from the Taliban declaring that women should not be allowed to attend school?
So, a Prime Minister ensuring that his cabinet has an equal spread in regards to gender, is no different from the Taliban banning all woman and girls from being educated, punishable by death?

Complete nonsense. Did the PM ban an entire gender and/or race from joining the cabinet? Why, no he did not. Did the PM sentence the men, that previously outnumbered women in the cabinet, to death/torture/punishment/imprisonment/otherwise punished them?

Why, no he did not.

You do a disservice to all the women who have been beaten, raped and murdered by the Taliban, as well as those by other terrorist groups and other such belligerent gatherings of hysterical, woman-hating men.

It's all about treating people differently based on their sex, race, or religion.
Huh, that's funny. I could have sworn that feminism is the advocacy of women’s rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/feminism


The Canadian PM has allowed for an equal spread in his own cabinet, some of which engage with the Natives. And they do seem rather qualified.

I'll put this under-qualified-poppycock to rest, so I hope you won't keep spouting it, after having been corrected.

Working from the top:

http://www.lop.parl.gc.ca/ParlInfo/compilations/federalgovernment/WomenMinistry.aspx


Carolyn Bennett

...attended Havergal College.[1][2]

obtained a degree in medicine from the University of Toronto in 1974.[3]

received her certification in family medicine in 1976.

worked as a family physician at Wellesley Hospital and Women's College Hospital in Toronto from 1977 to 1997

was a founding partner in Bedford Medical Associates

was also president of the medical staff association of Women's College Hospital

has a clinical adjunct appointment as an assistant professor in the department of family and community medicine at the University of Toronto.[3]

served on the boards of Havergal College, Women's College Hospital, the Ontario Medical Association, and the Medico-Legal Society of Toronto.

In 1986, Bennett received the Royal Life Saving Society Service Cross, a Commonwealth award recognizing her more than twenty years of distinguished service.

In 1990, she was named as one of Simpson's "Women Who Make a Difference".

She was the recipient of the inaugural EVE Award for contributing to the advancement of women in politics in 2002

in 2003 received the first ever CAMIMH Mental Health Champion Award.[4][5]

In 2004, she was awarded an honorary fellowship from the Society of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists of Canada for her contributions to medicine, especially women's health.[6]


Bennett ran for public office in the 1995 Ontario provincial election as a candidate of the Ontario Liberal Party.[7]



Running in the riding of St. Andrew—St. Patrick, she lost to Progressive Conservative candidate Isabel Bassett by about 3,500 votes.[8]


Bennett was more successful in the 1997 federal election, defeating her closest opponent in St. Paul's by almost 15,000 votes.[9]



She was re-elected by increased margins in the elections of 2000 and 2004.[10][11]


December 12, 2003, after Paul Martin became Prime Minister, he appointed Bennett as his Minister of State for Public Health. The Minister of State (Public Health) assists the Minister of Health.


Bennett oversaw the establishment of the Public Health Agency of Canada.[3]


She was chair of the Canada-Israel Friendship Group from 1999 to 2003 and is a member of Liberal Parliamentarians for Israel.
It goes on and on; turns out this woman has decades of experience and is pretty damn successful.

How odd. What about the next woman in the list, Marie-Claude Bibeau?


Marie-Claude Bibeau PC MP is a Canadian Liberal politician, who was elected to represent the riding of Compton—Stanstead in the House of Commons of Canada in the 2015 federal election.[1]



On November 4, 2015 she was sworn in as Minister of International Development and La Francophonie.[2]


Bibeau was born and raised in Sherbrooke, and earned a bachelor's degree in economics and a graduate diploma in environmental management from Université de Sherbrooke.


Following her graduation, she worked for the Canadian International Development Agency, and was variously posted in Ottawa, Montreal, Morocco and Benin.


After leaving the agency, she returned to Compton, and spent 15 years operating a successful tourism business.[3]



She is married to Bernard Sévigny, the mayor of Sherbrooke, Quebec.[4]
Not as much meat as the former lass, but hey. She has experience working for the government, and has been around the country. She's also married to a mayor, and has some business experience under 'er belt.

Far from un-qualified; not exactly the image of a hysterical incompetent housewife that was elected haphazardly, as your dubious anecdote stated.

Well, maybe the the third lass might be an incompetent, under-qualified chip-shop worker?



Pierre Trudeau

Chagger's first involvement in politics came in the 1993 federal election as a 13-year-old volunteer for Andrew Telegdi's successful campaign in Waterloo.

she subsequently became an executive assistant to Telegdi, who represented Waterloo in the House of Commons for the Liberals from 1993 to 2008.[3]

After Telegedi's defeat in 2008, Chagger became a director of special events for the Kitchener-Waterloo Multicultural Centre.[4]

Chagger volunteered for Justin Trudeau's 2013 party leadership bid, and subsequently became the Liberal Party's candidate in the newly reconstituted Waterloo riding.

She took 50% of the vote and defeated two-term Conservative incumbent Peter Braid, who had earlier ousted her former employer Andrew Telegdi.[3][4]
[/quote](I'll stop directly quoting Wikipedia articles, I'll just link to them directly, as the post is getting long enough as it is)


Well I'll be, she's got years of experience! So, uh, maybe the fourth, a Ms. Kirsty Dunc-Oh wait, she's a seasoned meteorologist and geologist, as well as being well versed in climate change.

What's her position? Why, the Minister Of Science? But that is an entirely reasonable position for someone of her experience and academia!


...Fifth time's the char-Oops, guess that isn't the case! Judy Foote has been in politics for more than a decade, and prior to that, was the head of a division of University Of Newfoundland.


This is starting to seem far, far from the lackadaisical image of ignorant incompetence that you painted. How utterly bizarre!

Maybe the sixth?

Chrystia Freeland? Nope! She's a seasoned lass as well, having many years of experience as the editor for various news agencies, and being at the helm of Reuters. He also has a couple years of political experience, funnily enough.

Hmmmm. Just maybe the seventh?

Oh, wait, she's also adequately seasoned, a Ms. Patricia Hedju.

Hajdu made her career as an expert in harm prevention, homelessness, and drug addiction. She spent nine years as the head of the drug awareness committee of the Thunder Bay District Health Unit, and prior to her election was the head of Shelter House, the city's largest homeless shelter. She has also worked as a creative director and graphic designer in marketing.[4]
Oh blimey, the eight has experience as well?

Melanie Joly? Yup, she too is a seasoned lass! Hell, she specialized in various forms of law, for Christ's sake.

I'm getting tired of this, so I'll cut it 'ere. It's rather fascinating, that the women employed by the PM are pretty damn experienced, despite what you implied to be the case.

How odd.




My people had to deal with this bullshit in Germany. It was decided, in the name of "fairness" obviously, that too many Jews were in powerful government positions. Did they do anything wrong? Nope, they're just Jewish, therefore they need to be removed. It's the same nonsense every time, and idiots fall for it every time. Marxism is about class struggle. Feminism is about gender struggle. Intersectional feminism is about race and gender because feminists are running out of stats to lie about. In America, as much as 85% of household finances and consumer purchases are controlled by women, so the only way to continue claiming victim status is to "intersect" the movement with racial struggle. Black people are still poor, so feminists try to lump the two together. That way they can say "women and blacks are only ____" and the statement is true because black people are still the underdogs whereas women are not. It's hard to claim to be a victim when every objective measure says men have it worse. That includes victims of violent crime, suicide, workplace deaths, education level, length of prison sentences, life expectancy, etc.
So much dribble. The rambling mutterings are fit to be dismissed as easily as they were made, but I shall disprove your unsubstantiated stats.

In regards to violent crime, men are more likely than women to be the antagonist in crimes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_crime

For every woman, 1.28 men drink alcohol, which is a large influencer in deviant behavior.

For every woman, 2.7 men committed the crime of stealing up to $50.

Lastly, for every woman, 3.7 men steal more than $50.

Also, more males are involved in homicides, as both the perpetrators and victims, than females. Furthermore, one male is more delinquent than another for mainly the same reasons that men typically engage in criminal acts more than women
Although that is for thievery, it does allude to the fact that men are far more likely to indulge in criminal behaviour than women.

And in regards to violent crime, men are far more likely to be brazen and aggressive, especially in public.

Women are more likely to use direct aggression in private, where other people cannot see them, and are more likely to use indirect aggression (such as passive-aggressive behavior) in public.[21] Men are more likely to be the targets of displays of aggression and provocation than females. Studies by Bettencourt and Miller show that when provocation is controlled for, sex differences in aggression are greatly reduced. They argue that this shows that gender-role norms play a large part in the differences in aggressive behavior between men and women.[22]
For domestic violence, I'll just take a small quote from the .pdf. It's already past 1:30 in the morn', so excuse me rush ta get to bed.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/pdf/0970941.pdf

Several studies have found that men and women initiate violence against an intimate partner at approximately the same rate.
What's interesting, is that the .pdf states that reciprocal violence makes up just shy of 50% of all domestic violence incidents, resulting in 35% of all domestic violence incidents, where the male partner hit back, and only 15% where the female partner hit back.

Funnily enough, reciprocal domestic violence results in more damage, though it doesn't state whether that occurs mainly for the instigator or the retaliating partner.


In regards to suicide, men have more successful suicides, whereas women have more attempted suicides. Did you just read the first line of a Wikipedia article, or did you get this from some bogus Facebook-esque post?

It's actually fairly difficult to get stats on attempted suicide, but there is one study that did a small investigation on it, by collecting data from over a hundred schools in Germany.

http://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2458-11-597

A more detailed link:

http://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2458-11-597


Serious suicidal thoughts were reported by 19.8% of the female students and 10.8% of the females had ever attempted suicide. In the male group, 9.3% had a history of suicidal thoughts and 4.9% had previously attempted suicide.
So women attempt suicide >2x more than men. Huh. Flies in the face of what you stated.



Getting tired of debunking your bollocks, so I'll move on. Almost 2AM now.

Feminism could more accurately be described as Marxism with breasts. Any time feminists are forced to pick between gender and political ideology, they will pick political ideology. Bill Maher called Ann Coulter a wise and beautiful woman. Where was the feminist outrage? It didn't happen because Bill is a socialist, so they support him.
...Because it wasn't used in a sexist way, it was used to describe the despicable human being that Ms. Coulter is? There's this thing called context.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/context

context
Pronunciation: /ˈkɒntɛkst/
noun
1The circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood:
Now, if he said something along the lines of 'All women are hateful cunts', and it wasn't some lead-in for a set up (e.g, by following it up by saying 'And all men are hateful pricks), I'd wager there would be some outrage.

But again, context is everything. You know this, as you're older than five.

Donald Trump can make a comment saying that he likes beautiful women, and feminists start foaming at the mouth. It's not because Trump is anti woman. It's because he's anti socialism. That is why they hate Trump but don't hate Bill Maher.



What if 100% of the people wanting to kill us self-identified as police? Would I then be justified in not trusting them?
All Christian murderers believe in God. Does that mean all believers in God want to kill people?

All genocidal maniacs share an ancestry that roots from northern Africa. Does that mean all northern African people are genocidal?

Every person that has killed somebody with their hands, had hands. Does everybody with hands want to kill everybody?

All the men that raped women, were men. Does that mean all men want to rape women?



Urgh. This took way too much effort. I'm done.
 
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woolfe9998

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While I'm in favor of legalizing prostitution and do not agree with the feminist position on it, it is more the religious right who opposes legalization than the feminist left, at least in the US.

https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/09/01/country-split-legalizing-prostitution/

Since democrats are 50/40 on legalization and reps are 34/54, it is hardly the feminists who are the biggest impediment to legalization. Indeed, if it was entirely up to the left, we would already have legalized it.
 
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zinfamous

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Bill Maher called Ann Coulter a wise and beautiful woman. Where was the feminist outrage? It didn't happen because Bill is a socialist, so they support him.

what a stupidly illogical disconnect. "They" aren't ignoring a slight because the person is "a socialist." "They" didn't get angry because of the plain fact that Ann Coulter is, indeed, a wise and beautiful woman.
 

mikeymikec

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This thread reminds me of a tweet my wife mentioned where some guy was complaining along the lines of "it's all going to pot", because Star Wars 7 has a female protagonist and so does the latest Rogue One movie
 

Sonikku

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omg 2 female leads in two star wars movies?! It's a feminism conspiracy! If they cast a british female as the lead in the han solo movie I WALK.
 

Blue_Max

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Hey - does this mean I don't have to pay for the dinner date anymore? Yay!
 

Perknose

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"They" didn't get angry because of the plain fact that Ann Coulter is, indeed, a wise and beautiful woman.

Though, given her prominent adam's apple, she may not actually have one.
 

Tab

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Isn't the use of courtesans deeply ingrained into French Culture?

Morality aside I don't see the need for banning the practice as it tends to hurt more than help those in the industry. If anything, all the John's will just take trips to Germany where's it's been legal for years.
 

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what a stupidly illogical disconnect. "They" aren't ignoring a slight because the person is "a socialist." "They" didn't get angry because of the plain fact that Ann Coulter is, indeed, a wise and beautiful woman.

Define what a "wise and beautiful woman" is.
 

MagickMan

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France forces prostitution to the back alleys, choosing to criminalize and endanger women who want to sell sex. How Progressive of them. Tell me, when did the Left become sex-negative conservatives?
 

bshole

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While I'm in favor of legalizing prostitution and do not agree with the feminist position on it, it is more the religious right who opposes legalization than the feminist left, at least in the US.

https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/09/01/country-split-legalizing-prostitution/

Since democrats are 50/40 on legalization and reps are 34/54, it is hardly the feminists who are the biggest impediment to legalization. Indeed, if it was entirely up to the left, we would already have legalized it.

It makes no sense for feminists to oppose legal prostitution. If it is illegal, prostitutes will then need to depend on sociopathic pimps who beat them for their protection. Making it illegal is an obvious attack on women's rights. What is the spaghetti logic behind this?
 
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