France Raises its Terror Alert.

[Shawn]

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[amish]

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: amish
they flew over the flak because that is what they were designed to do you fvcking moron. the british planes were not heavy bombers and could not fly that high. and so the RAF flew at night so as not to get their asses handed to them.

You read the article, yeh?:

Still, German fighters and flak continued to decimate American heavy bombers during daylight raids.

So there was no real defensive gain and since the accuracy suffered, there was acutally an offensive handicap because of the height of flight.

As you say the British aircraft flew lower, thanks for confirming my point. Sure the particular campain in the article you linked does talk of a particular disastrous British capaign, but there were also many american screwups.

In conclusion your post + link states that yes, the americans did fly higher than the Brits thus not really disproving my point at all.

i start here
i never was trying to disprove that the RAF flew lower than the US. read my post again it is at the top of this one. better yet, i'll say it again, the british planes were not heavy bombers and could not fly that high. you were spouting off about how the RAF was more courageous than the US because the RAF flew through the flak. i just pointed out that the US tried to fly over it while the RAF used the cover of darkness.

did i read the article, heh. apparently you did not. look at the first page of it dumbass.

...Once above the target area, these "self-defending" American bombers would utilize the world's most sophisticated bombsight--the Norden--which allowed for such factors as speed, course, wind direction and distance to target. Under favorable conditions, trained aircrews were able to place their payloads within a few hundred feet of their target from over 15,000 feet, prompting an Army Air Forces spokesman to boast that the aircrews could "drop a bomb into a pickle barrel at 25,000 feet." But for the Norden bombsight to work well, American pilots had to deliver their payloads during daylight hours, in good weather and in level flight.

the sight took into account the altitude of the plane by taking the altitude and distance from the target to come up with an accurate release point. so your "offensive handicap" statement is defunked.

you say that there are many american screwups, name them.

 

[thegimp03]

hahaha, n1. :thumbsup:

 

[PanzerIV]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Don't waste your time PanzerIV, they just won't ever "get it". All the whining about inaccurate allied bombing over France is kind fo funny anyway considering that it may not have been necessary if the wussie French would have at least tried to keep the Germans out of their country instead of handing it over in only 1 month. I realize this is a stretch but I would die defeinding my homeland from foreign invaders under any circumstances and odds but I am from the USA where our boys die defending the homelands of every unappreciative nation in the world to lazy or cowardly to do so themselves.

It's not often I get caught up in any debate because the moron at the other end will never change their viewpoint regardless of how much evidence is given to support they are wrong. However, one subject that gets my ire is for anyone to downplay our contributions in war, especially WWII. These guys died helping foreign lands oppress tyranny with the sacrifice of their own lives and this guy has the gall to call them cowards.

 

[imported_cello]

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[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: amish
two :thumbsup::thumbsup: waaayyyyy up!

Man, that is hillarious. So funny because it's so close to the truth.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: PanzerIV

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Don't waste your time PanzerIV, they just won't ever "get it". All the whining about inaccurate allied bombing over France is kind fo funny anyway considering that it may not have been necessary if the wussie French would have at least tried to keep the Germans out of their country instead of handing it over in only 1 month. I realize this is a stretch but I would die defeinding my homeland from foreign invaders under any circumstances and odds but I am from the USA where our boys die defending the homelands of every unappreciative nation in the world to lazy or cowardly to do so themselves.

It's not often I get caught up in any debate because the moron at the other end will never change their viewpoint regardless of how much evidence is given to support they are wrong. However, one subject that gets my ire is for anyone to downplay our contributions in war, especially WWII. These guys died helping foreign lands oppress tyranny with the sacrifice of their own lives and this guy has the gall to call them cowards.

I agree with you 100%. French citizens huddling in their homes afraid of the Germans complaining about collateral damage as the result of errant bombs from Allied planes there for the sole purpose of pushing the Nazis back into their own country so they could be defeated is just another fine example of the arrogance and selfishness of the French which puts them on my list of people I would rahter not deal with. Inacurrate bombing during WWII was due to the technology of the time more so than the lack of Allied prudence or effort but I guess the French would have rather we wait around until smart bombs were invented so we wouldn't accidentally damage their precious farm houses that THEY were TOO cowardly to defend on a whole.....the French Resistance were some of the bravest individuals at that time but unfortunately they did not represent the bulk of the population of the country.

If some of the hate the French have for the US truly comes out of disgust for inaccurate bombing 60 years ago then I have even more reason to dislike the French on the whole.....yet I still to this day judge the individual first so that doesn't mean I can't and won't like some French people, but as a whole I have no use for that country.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Horus
And nobody, NOBODY...(Yes, that includes the american doughboys) Fought HARDER, LONGER and suffered more loss of personnel, equipment and territory than the French.

BUWHAHAHAHAHA!

I think you meant to say:

Originally posted by: Horus
And nobody, NOBODY...(Yes, that includes the american doughboys) suffered more losses than the French.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: dwell
:thumbsup: The French suck (except for Melissa)

Holy sh!t! Nevermind, the French are cool, the French are cool!!! JESUS LORD! :Q

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: clamum
America... FVCK YEAH

LOL. That song just starts to play in my head.

 

[BW86]

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[Icepick]

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[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: sixone
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[ManDooM]

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weeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

 

[imported_Salvatore]

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[Hammer]

Originally posted by: Horus

Originally posted by: bapace
The complete military history of France. This enough substance for the doubters?

Hey, why aren't you calling Canadians cowards? We're not taking part in your little massacre overseas.
And if you DO call us cowards, I'll be the first to tell you we've whipped you. Twice. And sacked your capitol.

canadians taking credit for british victories, once again!

what about when the US occupied montreal? did you forget that?

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: MrChad
French jokes are incredibly overplayed.

I do not understand the predominant hatred towards the French in this country.

Tools falling for america's propoganda because the french doesn't support us in a war that we don't even support :roll:

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: MrChad
French jokes are incredibly overplayed.

I do not understand the predominant hatred towards the French in this country.

Tools falling for america's propoganda because the french doesn't support us in a war that we don't even support :roll:

If you believe America's disdain for France comes from the War on Terror, then you are very misguided.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: MrChad
French jokes are incredibly overplayed.

I do not understand the predominant hatred towards the French in this country.

Tools falling for america's propoganda because the french doesn't support us in a war that we don't even support :roll:

If you believe America's disdain for France comes from the War on Terror, then you are very misguided.

The rebirth of it sure came from it

 

[BujinZero]

I can't believe I'm replying to this.

To call everyone in France a pussy is just folly. What makes you think that you as an average American are somehow tougher than an average Frenchman? Or any less arrogant for that matter? Any nation with a sense of pride, like France or the United States, has it's share of assholes, as proven by this thread.

The founding of France is just as much of a struggle as the founding of the United States. Pick up an encyclopedia.

As for World War One and Two, replace every French person with an American and you'd get the same result. World War One was a war of attrition, fought in French territory. Someone mentioned Russia losing an entire generation, the same thing happened to France after World War One. Think about the implications of that--when our (American) forces returned home after World War Two, the nation's economy and population shot through the roof. France didn't enjoy anything like that after World War One. Instead of coming home to work, their soldiers came home in coffins, as did the Germans. After France stupidly imposed terrible sanctions on Germany, Hitler built a vengeful war machine, and a warrior culture, and turned it loose on Europe. Both the French and the British were desperate to avoid another war, and appeased Hitler because it seemed sensible. Avoid the war at all costs, you know? It didn't work as planned.

The Germans came through undefended Belgium, right around France's main defenses. The French blundered horribly in not securing the Belgian border. Desperate to avoid another war like the one most of the citizenry remembers, and having your opponent with seemingly free access to your country, what choice would you make? And keep in mind how terribly close Britain was to losing, too. If not for the channel and the RAF, they'd probably have bought it too.

Hindsight is 50/50, and no nation is full of weak people. It's both America's and France's fault that we're not getting along. Just shut up and try not to prove the other side correct.