Frats, worth it or not?

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DrPizza

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It depends on the university environment and the particular frats too much to simply state "yes" or "no."

Some schools, some frats, you end up with a great network on campus of students who can help you academically and outside of campus (i.e. jobseeking) At other campuses, frats are simply for partying - or rather, some are party frats, and others are more serious frats existing for reasons other than getting hammered every weekend and having a 2.0 GPA. Some campuses, only a very small percentage of students belong to sororities or fraternities. On other campuses, it is a very large percentage. Go with the flow.
 

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I started up a National Fraternity Chapter at my school. The fraternity has influenced on the way I want to live and will live my life. It is a fantastic experience. If you hate it, just leave, it is as simple as that!

The networking is amazing; I keep in close contact from people from 40 some odd schools. I talk to them all the time, I have also visited many of my chapters throughout the country.

Last summer I went to LA to intern in the entertainment industry, I shoot out tons of resumes. I received a call back from Lifetime Television, the employer recognizes the fraternity, she was not a member, but her fraternity big brother was in the fraternity. She called me up and offered an internship that was not even listed when I went on the website.

In my fraternity, we have an intranet we used to communicate nationally. People offer jobs all the time, if you are interested in a particular company it is highly likely you may able to find alumnis that works for that company. Since ALL companies, work on the referral system of jobs you can early get into a company or career path you may choose.

One of my best female friends wanted to go to China to teach English she needed a place to stay for a week or two before she can find a job. I called up one of my good fraternity brothers in China he offered his place for her for two weeks.

I have many more stories on networking.

The friendships are for a lifetime it depends on the fraternity but our fraternity we emphasize mainly on brotherhood. Remember ever fraternity is different.

You can learn a lot if you choose to, but it is your choose. You can join a fraternity and not do anything with your opportunities, or you can join and do so many things that would blow anyone?s mind out of the water. I know many people who just join the fraternity and not do anything.

Good luck on your fraternity Endeavors.
 

Whisper

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Yep, the money all goes back out to fund events--whether they be social or service-oriented. Fraternities are non-profit organizations, so no one is getting paid to be there.

As I said before, it really all depends on the fraternity itself. Some are all about parties, girls, and whatever else, sure. Others mix that in with doing what you need to do when you need to do it (work hard, play harder mentality). And still others are dedicated solely to philanthropy. As with anything else in life, you get out what you put in. Fraternities can be a great way to meet a bunch of people you might not otherwise have had the chance to hang around with, while at the same time making a tangible difference at your university and in the surrounding community.
 

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Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
Originally posted by: PurdueRy
Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Originally posted by: SLU MD
Originally posted by: Shawn
if you like parties with drinking then sure. if not, then no.

this is true, i was in a frat in college. i loved it, it was a great experience. the common thing you get on here is that you are paying for your friends. Its not like that at all, anyone who is in one will tell u that.

its what the whole college experience is about, getting drunk and doing crazy stuff.

i'd give it a try, if you dont like it you can always just quit.

It must be the immigrant in me talking, but I figured college was about getting an education!


College is an experience, not just a place to get an education.

Fraternities are definately worth it; I'm planning to run for president next year. You guys are seriously all clueless and are just working off stereotypes. Yes there is drinking, yes there are drugs, yes there are bitches, yes there (is probably) hazing, but don't talk about what you don't know.

I have been in frats, I have friends in frats, I see what they do and I know I wouldn't want to be part of it. Thats enough logic for me.

fair enough, even though you'd never be able to see what really makes a fraternity

I'm in Alpha Phi Omega and I'll tell you it's definitely worth joining. If you want to say frats are simply filled with partying, drinking, screwed up people, that can be true. Certain frats that my friends in are definitely pretty crazy. They are social frats. What do you expect. There are pretty chill people but often there are druggies and what not too. But so what? It's an enjoyable experiecne if you meet the right people right?

APhiO is not a social frat but rather a service frat. It's still a great way to meet people but while we don't party drink and get messed up, we still have social events in addition to the service projects we do.

A Phi O, Epsilon Gamma (Alfred University) - We always did a ton of service projects. But, we also had some awesome parties. I still remember a couple of service projects we worked on with Alpha Beta Beta (St Bonaventure) at Mt Iraneous (Franciscan monk retreat) - we always brought the alcohol for the Bonnies and taught them how to party and still do service projects. I suppose you could say we "corrupted" that chapter. It's unfortunate that our chapter went downhill several years later. While I was there, the record number of pledges we took was about 20; we usually had 80 to 100 people who wanted to pledge. I found out years later that they would take anyone who wanted to pledge.
 

anno

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Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
[Fraternities are definately worth it; I'm planning to run for president next year. You guys are seriously all clueless and are just working off stereotypes. Yes there is drinking, yes there are drugs, yes there are bitches, yes there (is probably) hazing, but don't talk about what you don't know.

well.. there ya go. I didn't have a comment before, because I woulda been talkin' about what I don't know, but here ya have it straight from a self-avowed expert. if that's what you're lookin' for.. drinking, drugs, bitches and hazing.. then of course, you wanna join a frat!

anno (I think I'll forward this post to my son..)
 

Whisper

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Originally posted by: jabbathehutty
I started up a National Fraternity Chapter at my school. The fraternity has influenced on the way I want to live and will live my life. It is a fantastic experience. If you hate it, just leave, it is as simple as that!

The networking is amazing; I keep in close contact from people from 40 some odd schools. I talk to them all the time, I have also visited many of my chapters throughout the country.

Last summer I went to LA to intern in the entertainment industry, I shoot out tons of resumes. I received a call back from Lifetime Television, the employer recognizes the fraternity, she was not a member, but her fraternity big brother was in the fraternity. She called me up and offered an internship that was not even listed when I went on the website.

In my fraternity, we have an intranet we used to communicate nationally. People offer jobs all the time, if you are interested in a particular company it is highly likely you may able to find alumnis that works for that company. Since ALL companies, work on the referral system of jobs you can early get into a company or career path you may choose.

One of my best female friends wanted to go to China to teach English she needed a place to stay for a week or two before she can find a job. I called up one of my good fraternity brothers in China he offered his place for her for two weeks.

I have many more stories on networking.

The friendships are for a lifetime it depends on the fraternity but our fraternity we emphasize mainly on brotherhood. Remember ever fraternity is different.

You can learn a lot if you choose to, but it is your choose. You can join a fraternity and not do anything with your opportunities, or you can join and do so many things that would blow anyone?s mind out of the water. I know many people who just join the fraternity and not do anything.

Good luck on your fraternity Endeavors.

Haha, what's up Jabba. Didn't know you were on here, too.
 

Ns1

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Originally posted by: anno
Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
[Fraternities are definately worth it; I'm planning to run for president next year. You guys are seriously all clueless and are just working off stereotypes. Yes there is drinking, yes there are drugs, yes there are bitches, yes there (is probably) hazing, but don't talk about what you don't know.

well.. there ya go. I didn't have a comment before, because I woulda been talkin' about what I don't know, but here ya have it straight from a self-avowed expert. if that's what you're lookin' for.. drinking, drugs, bitches and hazing.. then of course, you wanna join a frat!

anno (I think I'll forward this post to my son..)

OMFG ARE YOU RETARDED?

if you don't want access to drinking drugs and bitches, DON'T GO OUTSIDE YOUR HOUSE


 

anno

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Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
Originally posted by: anno
Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
[Fraternities are definately worth it; I'm planning to run for president next year. You guys are seriously all clueless and are just working off stereotypes. Yes there is drinking, yes there are drugs, yes there are bitches, yes there (is probably) hazing, but don't talk about what you don't know.

well.. there ya go. I didn't have a comment before, because I woulda been talkin' about what I don't know, but here ya have it straight from a self-avowed expert. if that's what you're lookin' for.. drinking, drugs, bitches and hazing.. then of course, you wanna join a frat!

anno (I think I'll forward this post to my son..)

OMFG ARE YOU RETARDED?

if you don't want access to drinking drugs and bitches, DON'T GO OUTSIDE YOUR HOUSE

well.. there's a mature compelling arguement.

anno
 

Deeko

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I'm in Pi Kappa Alpha, and yes, it is worth it. The myth about paying for your friends is just that - a myth. If you're an active member, that is. Think of it this way...at your college you probably pay an activity fee. I know I do, every student is charged $100 that goes into a fund that is used for clubs and whatnot. Many students don't take advantage of that, and basically throw $100 away. Me, I'm on the volleyball team, and the team payed for our trip to nationals in Kansas City for a week...flight, hotel, food, everything. I probably net a few hundred bucks when it comes to the activity fee. Fraternities are the same way...I pay $800/year in dues, but being that I'm an active brother, I'm sure I get that and more back. Earlier this month I spent a week at the beach house we rent - free. Occasioanlly we'll get tickets to sports games. Last year we did a paintball outing. We have two amazing formals a year. Basically, you get in what you get out.

That's only on the financial side. Along with the obvious advantage of networking, I've gained a considerable amount of leadership experience as well.
 

Ns1

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Originally posted by: anno
Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
Originally posted by: anno
Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
[Fraternities are definately worth it; I'm planning to run for president next year. You guys are seriously all clueless and are just working off stereotypes. Yes there is drinking, yes there are drugs, yes there are bitches, yes there (is probably) hazing, but don't talk about what you don't know.

well.. there ya go. I didn't have a comment before, because I woulda been talkin' about what I don't know, but here ya have it straight from a self-avowed expert. if that's what you're lookin' for.. drinking, drugs, bitches and hazing.. then of course, you wanna join a frat!

anno (I think I'll forward this post to my son..)

OMFG ARE YOU RETARDED?

if you don't want access to drinking drugs and bitches, DON'T GO OUTSIDE YOUR HOUSE

well.. there's a mature compelling arguement.

anno

Hey, if you're too blind to see the truth...
 

PurdueRy

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: PurdueRy
I have been in frats, I have friends in frats, I see what they do and I know I wouldn't want to be part of it. Thats enough logic for me.

and why you are a member of the ATOT Night Crew?


Because I post at night?
 

PurdueRy

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Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
Originally posted by: PurdueRy
Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Originally posted by: SLU MD
Originally posted by: Shawn
if you like parties with drinking then sure. if not, then no.

this is true, i was in a frat in college. i loved it, it was a great experience. the common thing you get on here is that you are paying for your friends. Its not like that at all, anyone who is in one will tell u that.

its what the whole college experience is about, getting drunk and doing crazy stuff.

i'd give it a try, if you dont like it you can always just quit.

It must be the immigrant in me talking, but I figured college was about getting an education!


College is an experience, not just a place to get an education.

Fraternities are definately worth it; I'm planning to run for president next year. You guys are seriously all clueless and are just working off stereotypes. Yes there is drinking, yes there are drugs, yes there are bitches, yes there (is probably) hazing, but don't talk about what you don't know.

I have been in frats, I have friends in frats, I see what they do and I know I wouldn't want to be part of it. Thats enough logic for me.

fair enough, even though you'd never be able to see what really makes a fraternity


I understand that for some people frats are the right thing to join. But I don't drink AT ALL, I don't enjoy being around people who are and I don't enjoy large parties. Sure, there is more to a fraternity than that obviously...but thats too much negative to make it worth it in my case.
 

anno

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Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
Originally posted by: anno
Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
Originally posted by: anno
Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
[Fraternities are definately worth it; I'm planning to run for president next year. You guys are seriously all clueless and are just working off stereotypes. Yes there is drinking, yes there are drugs, yes there are bitches, yes there (is probably) hazing, but don't talk about what you don't know.

well.. there ya go. I didn't have a comment before, because I woulda been talkin' about what I don't know, but here ya have it straight from a self-avowed expert. if that's what you're lookin' for.. drinking, drugs, bitches and hazing.. then of course, you wanna join a frat!

anno (I think I'll forward this post to my son..)

OMFG ARE YOU RETARDED?

if you don't want access to drinking drugs and bitches, DON'T GO OUTSIDE YOUR HOUSE

well.. there's a mature compelling arguement.

anno

Hey, if you're too blind to see the truth...

you're really doing more to prove the stereotype than you are to further your case.

I'm not blind.. or retarded, or brainwashed.

deeko.. now he makes good points. there are plenty of social opportunites available on most campuses (perhaps not all) that are already paid for in your student activity fees. there are plenty of leadership opportunites and networking opportunities available in those organizations. You can get all the benefits of a fraternity except perhaps the old boy network thing.. which is a YMMV thing no matter how you look at it, if you're willing to be as involved in any organization of your choice. most of that depends on you, not on your frat association or lack thereof.

if you're the kind of person that won't go out and take advantage of the opportunties that are already paid for on campus, then you probably won't be very successful in the greek scene either. you're going to get out of your participation in any organization, what you're willing to put in. if you just like the activities and social opportunities offered by the frats better and are willing to pay the price for them, then that's the way to go.

but to say yeah, it's definitely worth it.. well that's just not true. it's definitely worth it to those of you who say so. and it may be definitely worth it to the person who started this, although if he has to ask, I'm inclined to think it's probably not. but it's definitely not worth it to everyone, and it's definitely not the only way to have a successful experience in college, or a successful career after college.

what it boils down to is.. if you like the activities and opportunities offered by a frat, and have the money and time to spend to participate, or if you have the money and don't have the gumption to involve yourself in activities you aren't obligated to participate in but want to participate in something, then it could well be worth it. but if you aren't into a drinking partying atmosphere and don't care about football.. if you're at a school that has football.. and can motivate yourself to get involved in stuff that does interest you and you do enjoy.. or if you're not interested in that stuff and would be happier just chillin' in your room watchin' movies and playin' video games.. then it probably isn't the best choice.

I'm not trying to say frats (or sororities) are bad things. I'm just disputing that they're good things, for everybody. that just is not true. for many many people, they are not worth it.

"frats, worth it or not", is not a question that has a yes or no answer.

anno



 

Ns1

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you're really doing more to prove the stereotype than you are to further your case.

Well if you "really" want a real reply here we go (I should be doing accounting HW but whatever)

I spent 3 years out of HS at a community college. Didn't join any clubs, didn't do SHT. All I did was work, go to school, play (WC3, CS, whatever). There was definately something missing in my life. I didn't quite know what it was, but there was definately something lacking. So when I transferred to a real school, I promised myself things would be different.

I had the idea that I would join a fraternity, but it wasn't a real serious thought. Then rush came around, and I went out for free food (you can only eat so much ramen...). A little background here, I'm definately not the most social person. I also dislike drinking (most of the time). So, I rushed 2 fraternities, with COMPLETELY different focus'. The first fraternity was more of a "typical" fraternity (these are asian fraternities so the numbers are smaller than the white fraternities). The first fraternity had about 30-40 actives, with 10-20 person pledge classes. They were very sociable, but somehow things didn't really click for me. Then I went to the other fraternity, and I was completely blown away. A very small fraternity, 20 or so actives, 5-10 person pledge classes. They completely fit with my personality type, and I knew I had to have it.

So, off to pledging I went. 4 months of bullsht I put up with. 4 freaking months. But hey, I wanted it so bad by that time, I would do anything to have my letters.

Let's not go into the details here, but a GOOD pledge program is supposed to teach you lessons about life, and about what brotherhood "really" is.

Lesson on Life
One of the most important parts of pledging, and one that we stress the most to our pledges, is that learning how to effectively manage your time is CRUCIAL to success, in pledging and later in life. The program is definately manage, but it's up to the pledge to not fvck around and work out his schedule.

Another very important part is the confidence that I gained from pledging. When I went in, I definately had preconceived notions of what I was capable of. But oh my god, after pledigng, I felt like I could tackle ANYTHING. That definately helped me alot when it came to public speaking and interviews and such.

Lessons on Brotherhood
Here's where alot of your misconceptions come into play. Our personal philosophy (which may not apply to other organizations) is that brotherhood is achieved not only from the fun social stuff (exchanges etc), but also through suffering. Our program is designed so that it's actives vs pledges, and all they have to count on is each other. It's definately a humbling experience for some of the more cocky fools out there- being forced to help and rely on your pledge bros to help you out and sht.

And finally, I have ALOT of memories from pledging (both good and bad). But hey, some of the sht that we do/did, we just look back at it and laugh. Nowhere else can you experience the kind of sht that we did.

What I told rushees this year was this - when it all comes down to it, none of the sht really matters. The girls, the alcohol, the parties, whatever. What really matters is the relationships that you develop/the people that you meet. I personally feel that I would not be able to find the kind of fulfilling relationships that I've had without this fraternity.

Fraternities are definately not for everybody. I can fully admit that after dealing with some pledge bro's that I just couldn't handle. But you know, I've never been more happy in my life, and I'd do it all over again in a heartbeat.
 

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Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Originally posted by: SLU MD
Originally posted by: Shawn
if you like parties with drinking then sure. if not, then no.

this is true, i was in a frat in college. i loved it, it was a great experience. the common thing you get on here is that you are paying for your friends. Its not like that at all, anyone who is in one will tell u that.

its what the whole college experience is about, getting drunk and doing crazy stuff.

i'd give it a try, if you dont like it you can always just quit.

It must be the immigrant in me talking, but I figured college was about getting an education!


Werd.
 

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the problem I found with frat life was school seemed to come second. It seemed like every damn night there was some event. I would call them up saying I had a ton of homework or needed to meet up with some people to work on a project and I would get bitched out about how I wasn't taking the frat seriously. It was just as bad as having a clingy gf who pretty much expects you to hang out with her every night.

Here's how I see it. I went to college to learn. I'm sure many people with think I'm some kind of nerd and OMG don't you want sexor and get drunk. Sure I did all that and of course deap down I wanted to have fun 24/7 but unfortunately at a demanding school you have to realize that isn't possible unless you plan to fail out like SOOO many people I know did because they got too caught up in frats. Sure the frat would have manditory study time but no one did anything but jerk around during it. Hopefully I just had a bad experience with fraternities and its not like this on all campuses but fraternities definetly suck up your time. If you are in a demanding major don't bother, unless you are incredibly smart and never need to study.
 
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Originally posted by: PurdueRy
Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
Originally posted by: PurdueRy
Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Originally posted by: SLU MD
Originally posted by: Shawn
if you like parties with drinking then sure. if not, then no.

this is true, i was in a frat in college. i loved it, it was a great experience. the common thing you get on here is that you are paying for your friends. Its not like that at all, anyone who is in one will tell u that.

its what the whole college experience is about, getting drunk and doing crazy stuff.

i'd give it a try, if you dont like it you can always just quit.

It must be the immigrant in me talking, but I figured college was about getting an education!


College is an experience, not just a place to get an education.

Fraternities are definately worth it; I'm planning to run for president next year. You guys are seriously all clueless and are just working off stereotypes. Yes there is drinking, yes there are drugs, yes there are bitches, yes there (is probably) hazing, but don't talk about what you don't know.

I have been in frats, I have friends in frats, I see what they do and I know I wouldn't want to be part of it. Thats enough logic for me.

fair enough, even though you'd never be able to see what really makes a fraternity


I understand that for some people frats are the right thing to join. But I don't drink AT ALL, I don't enjoy being around people who are and I don't enjoy large parties. Sure, there is more to a fraternity than that obviously...but thats too much negative to make it worth it in my case.

Then you can join an honor or service fraternity or some like pre-biz, pre-law, pre-med frat and not b!tch about other frats and fraternities in general sucking...
 

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Originally posted by: gocubs2k5
Originally posted by: SLU MD
Originally posted by: Shawn
if you like parties with drinking then sure. if not, then no.

this is true, i was in a frat in college. i loved it, it was a great experience. the common thing you get on here is that you are paying for your friends. Its not like that at all, anyone who is in one will tell u that.

its what the whole college experience is about, getting drunk and doing crazy stuff.

i'd give it a try, if you dont like it you can always just quit.


my sentiments exactly. I enjoyed being in a fraternity when I was in college. The myth of "paying for friends" still exists, but I think the same could be said of anyone going to a college anywhere. You are paying money to live in a certain area and live around certain people. That doesn't deter people from going to college, so you shouldn't let it stop you from enjoying greek life.

yea, I think so as well. I am a chapter officer. My house is dry I still have a good time. One of the guys in my house explains it best. Its a group rate, stuff you you'd be doing with your friends. That said, I agree. umm... about hazing, sure it still goes on but not all chapters haze. It isn't good for the chapter and it isn't good for the person that is being hazed. Its not just a concern about liablitilty. It hurts brotherhood, kills self-respect, etc.

Fraternities are centered on the idea that there is more to college than what is taught in the classroom. Each has certain values that they live by. Mine has 5 principle values: Friendship, Knowlege, Morality, and Excellence.

Living in my fraternity is cheaper than living in the dorms atleast here at my college.

I am not going to tell you whether or not to join a house. I made the decision to join my house and I have not been let down. It is not for everybody.

In regards to drinking, many do drink, but there are guys that don't drink. There is no pressure for them to drink.

Most people's perception of fraternities come from movies like Animal House or Van Wilder or whatever. But that's not the case. Not all houses are like that.

 
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Having been a nerd for my whole life, I don't think I have really had a social life until junior/senior year in high school. Last year, coming to college was like whoah, new place, and I became that nerd/hermit again. I thought about it during summer and I got really disappointed in myself. It seemd that I was making hte same mistakes I made in freshman yr in high school.

And so now I'm pledging Alpha Phi Omega. So far so good. I only wished that I pledged last year. =(. I have a feeling that this semester will be the best semester of my life (assuming I can keep on top of school work).
 

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Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: PurdueRy

I understand that for some people frats are the right thing to join. But I don't drink AT ALL, I don't enjoy being around people who are and I don't enjoy large parties. Sure, there is more to a fraternity than that obviously...but thats too much negative to make it worth it in my case.

Then you can join an honor or service fraternity or some like pre-biz, pre-law, pre-med frat and not b!tch about other frats and fraternities in general sucking...

Um...I never once b!tched about fraternities sucking. I said they are not worth it to me. Some of my friends found it to be their thing....some dropped after the first year. It depends on the person. All I said is that I never had the urge to join one...

 
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