Freddie Gray dies a week after being injured during arrest

[IGBT]

One thing that this speaker doesn’t address, however, is that those people protesting created the system. They are the ones who voted for failed democrat policies. None of these protesters, violent or calm, want to take any personal responsibility. This isn’t about a racist system. Let’s look at some of the facts shall we?

9 of the 15 council members are black, and the mayor is black. The police chief is black along with 50% of the police force. Every single member of the Baltimore City Council is a Democrat. The mayor is a Democrat. Baltimore has not had a Republican mayor since 1967. Baltimore carries the fourth highest tax rate of any city in the nation. The poverty rate within the city is nearly 25 percent. Households in Baltimore earn approximately 56 percent of the overall state average. President Obama won a whopping 87.4% of the Baltimore City vote. Democrats run the city of Baltimore, the unions, the schools, and, yes, the police force.

These protesters have no one to blame but themselves.



http://xtribune.com/2015/04/looked-...ian-says-what-no-white-person-could-ever-say/

 

[Leyawiin]

outstanding. baltimore needs more moms like her right now

and more dads...

 

[WelshBloke]

Poor asians don't riot

Thats because of their teenie weenie genitalia.

 

[Genx87]

and more dads...

And a far less brutal police force.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Crypts and Bloods making truce to defend their neighborhoods from looters?
Thugs forming lines in front of police to defend them?

Baltimore gone crazy

 

[xBiffx]

I'm way, way late to the original story here. Sorry about that in advance. I really wasn't paying attention until the city of Baltimore blew up.

Anyways, what was the cause of death of Mr. Gray? I went looking for a video of the police beating and near as I can tell all there is, is a video of them dragging him to the police van. I saw where he was denied or I guess ignored when he asked for medical assistance. Surely the cops got punished for that, no? All I could find was he had a severed spinal cord but other than that, no other injuries. WTF, how does that happen without any other injuries? Other than that, what am I missing on this story?

I was thinking that there was a cut and dried video that showed a Rodney King style beating when I started seeing the city in flames on the news. What gives?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

I'm way, way late to the original story here. Sorry about that in advance. I really wasn't paying attention until the city of Baltimore blew up.

Anyways, what was the cause of death of Mr. Gray? I went looking for a video of the police beating and near as I can tell all there is, is a video of them dragging him to the police van. I saw where he was denied or I guess ignored when he asked for medical assistance. Surely the cops got punished for that, no? All I could find was he had a severed spinal cord but other than that, no other injuries. WTF, how does that happen without any other injuries? Other than that, what am I missing on this story?

I was thinking that there was a cut and dried video that showed a Rodney King style beating when I started seeing the city in flames on the news. What gives?

Because the cops in Baltimore have a 40 year history of handcuffing people and then putting them in a police van while not restrained, and then drive around braking hard with the specific intent to make the handcuffed person be flung around the inside of a van. It's called a "rough ride", and cops have been doing it and killing/severely injuring innocent people for many years.

And of course, no one has stopped this practice, nor have the police ever been punished.

Clear enough?

 

[realibrad]

One thing that this speaker doesn’t address, however, is that those people protesting created the system. They are the ones who voted for failed democrat policies. None of these protesters, violent or calm, want to take any personal responsibility. This isn’t about a racist system. Let’s look at some of the facts shall we?

9 of the 15 council members are black, and the mayor is black. The police chief is black along with 50% of the police force. Every single member of the Baltimore City Council is a Democrat. The mayor is a Democrat. Baltimore has not had a Republican mayor since 1967. Baltimore carries the fourth highest tax rate of any city in the nation. The poverty rate within the city is nearly 25 percent. Households in Baltimore earn approximately 56 percent of the overall state average. President Obama won a whopping 87.4% of the Baltimore City vote. Democrats run the city of Baltimore, the unions, the schools, and, yes, the police force.

These protesters have no one to blame but themselves.



http://xtribune.com/2015/04/looked-...ian-says-what-no-white-person-could-ever-say/

I am going to guess nobody tries to counter this post.

 

[Genx87]

I'm way, way late to the original story here. Sorry about that in advance. I really wasn't paying attention until the city of Baltimore blew up.

Anyways, what was the cause of death of Mr. Gray? I went looking for a video of the police beating and near as I can tell all there is, is a video of them dragging him to the police van. I saw where he was denied or I guess ignored when he asked for medical assistance. Surely the cops got punished for that, no? All I could find was he had a severed spinal cord but other than that, no other injuries. WTF, how does that happen without any other injuries? Other than that, what am I missing on this story?

I was thinking that there was a cut and dried video that showed a Rodney King style beating when I started seeing the city in flames on the news. What gives?

This thug police force puts people into vans without a seat belt then runs them around. They call it a rough ride. They have settled three lawsuits in the last 4 years that left two people paralyzed from the neck down. A 4th is in the process of being settled. That one is a real doozy. A Librarian for Johns Hopkins was detained for a noise violation. The punishment for this criminal? A rough ride. There have been 357 lawsuits against this department for excessive force in the past few years. A real Gestapo they have in Baltimore.

 

[Humpy]

I am going to guess nobody tries to counter this post.

The first paragraph is pure BS opinion. The second paragraph doesn't provide any facts supporting the claims of "the people protesting created the system" or that they "voted for failed democrat policies" and that "None ... want to take any personal responsibility".

The argument boils down to "This isn’t about a racist system" because there are a lot of "black... Democrats" in Baltimore.

It's clearly a post made by a fucking imbecile. Consider it countered.

 

[Nebor]

Looks like the Maryland National Guard settled things down without incident. I thought it was interesting that instead of deploying in riot gear they deployed in body armor with their rifles.

 

[werepossum]

WTF? The population of Monterey is 80% white. Sure does not seem like 25% of the white population left. :biggrin:

Well . . . Maybe 25% of the white population left and a bunch more white folks came in. You know white folks, we loves us some bargains. :biggrin:

That's the way most media works today. Report then verify. They all are in direct competition against facebook & twitter postings.

Report then verify would be the dream. Report then move on is more the standard.

One black chef in the neighborhood. How does that disprove anything.

White flight into a non-white neighborhood. He's making the point that white people don't necessarily run from having non-white neighbors.

 

[werepossum]

I am going to guess nobody tries to counter this post.

While he has a point, I don't think the mayor and the protesters have much in common beyond similarity in skin tone. Clearly the system isn't racist as it's operated by black people and the abuse is largely against black people. That doesn't necessarily mean the system isn't broken though. So I guess, congrats to IGBT for pointing out that the system isn't racist, but other than that I don't see it changes much. What the cops did to Gray (neglect and denial of care at best, intentional serious injury leading to death at worst) is certainly not acceptable because someone voted for the cops' bosses.

 

[Ackmed]

Because the cops in Baltimore have a 40 year history of handcuffing people and then putting them in a police van while not restrained, and then drive around braking hard with the specific intent to make the handcuffed person be flung around the inside of a van. It's called a "rough ride", and cops have been doing it and killing/severely injuring innocent people for many years.

And of course, no one has stopped this practice, nor have the police ever been punished.

Clear enough?

Yeah... everyone who is arrested is "innocent". Good try though. News flash, paddy wagons have multiple cameras on them. Do you think there are seat belts in all wagons, seriously?

 

[Genx87]

Proof of this? Yeah... everyone who is arrested is "innocent". Good try though. News flash, paddy wagons have multiple cameras on them. Do you think there are seat belts in all wagons, seriously?

You understand official policy of the Baltimore Police Dept is to secure prisoners in these vans right? One they have admitted didnt happen in this very case. So yes, every van has seatbelts.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/04/25/3651245/freddie-gray/

In a press conference Friday, Police Commissioner Anthony W. Batts said Gray should have received medical treatment immediately. He also said Gray was unbuckled in the transport wagon, which could mean officers took him for a “rough ride,” when police deliberately drive erratically to injure unbuckled and handcuffed passengers.
“We know he was not buckled in the transportation wagon as he should have been. No excuses for that, period,” Batts said. “We know our police employees failed to get him medical attention in a timely manner multiple times.”

Also what does it matter if they are or arent innocent? Are you one of those trogs that believes the police should be dishing out street justice?

 

[Subyman]

Yeah... everyone who is arrested is "innocent". Good try though. News flash, paddy wagons have multiple cameras on them. Do you think there are seat belts in all wagons, seriously?

So they had their spin severed some other way? Care to enlighten us?

 

[xBiffx]

Because the cops in Baltimore have a 40 year history of handcuffing people and then putting them in a police van while not restrained, and then drive around braking hard with the specific intent to make the handcuffed person be flung around the inside of a van. It's called a "rough ride", and cops have been doing it and killing/severely injuring innocent people for many years.

And of course, no one has stopped this practice, nor have the police ever been punished.

Clear enough?

This thug police force puts people into vans without a seat belt then runs them around. They call it a rough ride. They have settled three lawsuits in the last 4 years that left two people paralyzed from the neck down. A 4th is in the process of being settled. That one is a real doozy. A Librarian for Johns Hopkins was detained for a noise violation. The punishment for this criminal? A rough ride. There have been 357 lawsuits against this department for excessive force in the past few years. A real Gestapo they have in Baltimore.

I hadn't really heard of this before. Thanks to you both.

I still have to ask, why was there no other injuries? Wouldn't a "rough ride" result in more superficial injuries as well? These cops appear to be surgical with this shit after 40 years.

 

[Subyman]

I hadn't really heard of this before. Thanks to you both.

I still have to ask, why was there no other injuries? Wouldn't a "rough ride" result in more superficial injuries as well? These cops appear to be surgical with this shit after 40 years.

The thing I find strange about the video is he looks like he's already having trouble walking before they put him in the van. Its as if the injury happened before the ride. He could be going limp to resist arrest, but I found it strange none-the-less.

The full report will come out tomorrow, so we should know more on the extent of his injury and how the police say it happened.

 

[xBiffx]

Looks like the Maryland National Guard settled things down without incident. I thought it was interesting that instead of deploying in riot gear they deployed in body armor with their rifles.

I wouldn't think the NG is specifically trained in urban pacification/riot control and therefore wouldn't have the equipment specialized in that mission. When body armor and rifles are what you got, that's what you take. Sort of like having a hammer and everything looks like nails.

 

[xBiffx]

The thing I find strange about the video is he looks like he's already having trouble walking before they put him in the van. Its as if the injury happened before the ride. He could be going limp to resist arrest, but I found it strange none-the-less.

The full report will come out tomorrow, so we should know more on the extent of his injury and how the police say it happened.

Exactly what is causing my confusion. He appears to be somewhat paralyzed (hindsight) and in pain along the way to the van. But like you mentioned, this is sometimes a tactic for resisting arrest. The cops may have well interpreted it as that too.

 

[werepossum]

Exactly what is causing my confusion. He appears to be somewhat paralyzed (hindsight) and in pain along the way to the van. But like you mentioned, this is sometimes a tactic for resisting arrest. The cops may have well interpreted it as that too.

Granted, but they should always honor the threat. If someone taken into custody claims injury, that person should be taken to hospital to be checked out, without exception. Perhaps without that unsecured rough ride his injuries would have been non-lethal and perhaps non-permanent.

 

[Genx87]

The thing I find strange about the video is he looks like he's already having trouble walking before they put him in the van. Its as if the injury happened before the ride. He could be going limp to resist arrest, but I found it strange none-the-less.

The full report will come out tomorrow, so we should know more on the extent of his injury and how the police say it happened.

Reading about his injury. It sounds like many believe something happened in the arrest that compromised his spinal cord. Then a rough ride would had caused more injury. But most of the medical experts agree an injury like this was caused by a very traumatic event.

 

[Genx87]

I hadn't really heard of this before. Thanks to you both.

I still have to ask, why was there no other injuries? Wouldn't a "rough ride" result in more superficial injuries as well? These cops appear to be surgical with this shit after 40 years.

It is possible there are other injuries. But the injury to his spinal cord is what everybody is focusing on because it lead to his coma and death.

 

[OverVolt]

Crypts and Bloods making truce to defend their neighborhoods from looters?
Thugs forming lines in front of police to defend them?

Baltimore gone crazy

They met with the clergy after the clergy anti-violence march.

Its really understated the effect it had. Between the clergy and the curfew that's what basically stopped the riot before the national guard really ever got there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVVx_mU6Jq0

 

[xBiffx]

Granted, but they should always honor the threat. If someone taken into custody claims injury, that person should be taken to hospital to be checked out, without exception. Perhaps without that unsecured rough ride his injuries would have been non-lethal and perhaps non-permanent.

I agree and why I said the cops in question should be punished for denying or ignoring his request for medical assistance. As to what that medical assistance would have done at that point to save his life, we may never know. Perhaps the report will enlighten us on that one.

Either way that does not excuse the cops' disregard for his well-being at the time.