Has Obama said anything about the charged cops yet? Because if he says anything about how he believes in the charges, that means the entire GOP will immediately proclaim the cops are innocent, "because Obama".
Who said anything about right wing conspiracies?
As for culture war, uhmm, yes. That much is obvious. Go look at differing perceptions of police actions in any range of cases by race and/or political ideology.
Do you blame the Jews for the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising (riots) as well?
Does something make you think a culture war is a bad thing?
No? I'm not commenting on people rioting or blaming anyone, I'm commenting on touchstone literally saying that he thinks burning the entire city to the ground is a good way to get back at criminal police activity.
When nonviolence is preached as an attempt to evade the repercussions of political brutality, it betrays itself. When nonviolence begins halfway through the war with the aggressor calling time out, it exposes itself as a ruse. When nonviolence is preached by the representatives of the state, while the state doles out heaps of violence to its citizens, it reveals itself to be a con. And none of this can mean that rioting or violence is "correct" or "wise," any more than a forest fire can be "correct" or "wise." Wisdom isn't the point tonight. Disrespect is. In this case, disrespect for the hollow law and failed order that so regularly disrespects the community.
It will be interesting to watch people become more and more adamant about their position as this thread goes on. By the end I wouldn't be surprised to see people say the police were 100% justified. It's the backfire effect.
Ta-Nehisi Coates had an interesting perspective on that. Not sure if it's been linked here before but it's certainly worth reading. In the end I don't think I agree with him overall, but some of the points he raises need to be talked about.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/04/nonviolence-as-compliance/391640/
Let's put aside the entire matter of whether or not any violence or destruction is appropriate. There are degrees here. If you're going to strike back at someone at least try to target it in a way that makes sense, not "burn down the entire fucking city" and make many, many random people's lives much worse. Maybe I'm picking too much on what touchstone intended as gross hyperbole, but frankly he sounds pretty sincere.
As someone who lives in Cleveland, it's natural that I wouldn't want my whole city destroyed, but frankly how it would affect me wouldn't come remotely close to how it'd affect a lot of other people here.
Maybe by burning down the city the residents of the city will change how the police brutalize people with impunity.
Maybe by burning down the city the residents of the city will change how the police brutalize people with impunity.
Maybe by burning down the city, the residents get treated like the criminals they are. Acting like a criminal sure sounds like a great way to get the police off your back.
Of course, lets all bow to the will of the mob, amiright?
Maybe by burning down the city, the residents get treated like the criminals they are. Acting like a criminal sure sounds like a great way to get the police off your back.
Of course, lets all bow to the will of the mob, amiright?
If the entire city is burned down I don't think there'd be a city anymore to change anything. I know I wouldn't stick around to live in rubble.
The entire city wont be burned down. However by burning parts of it and forcing a curfew on the rest. Avg joe who is indifferent if the police brutalizes his neighbor now is being affected by police conduct. Perhaps it will motivate him to address these issues with his elected officials.
Average Joe who has lost his job is being affected by those who chose to riot and burn.
Yeah no shit. Because of police brutality a riot broke out and cost him his job. See how this works?
Yes. You choose to make excuses for violent, destructive acts, as if they are acceptable. Have fun with that.
Police have to be more violent to deal with a population that likes to break out in random violent acts.
All I did was take your logic one step further. See how this works? No, you just cut off the excuses and say the violent acts are the responsibility of those who committed the violence.
It will be interesting to watch people become more and more adamant about their position as this thread goes on. By the end I wouldn't be surprised to see people say the police were 100% justified. It's the backfire effect.
Yes. You choose to make excuses for violent, destructive acts, as if they are acceptable. Have fun with that.
Police have to be more violent to deal with a population that likes to break out in random violent acts.
All I did was take your logic one step further. See how this works? No, you just cut off the excuses and say the violent acts are the responsibility of those who committed the violence.
Take your reasoned statements and get them on the F out of here. We deal wth assumptions, biases, and preconceived notions of what happened. I know deep in my heart precisely what happened and knew it the second I heard about the case! It almost seems you are willing to conclude things based on evidence as we learn it, and there is no room for that here or anywhere else on the internet. You need to join a side: either Freddie got what was coming to him or the police beat the shit out of him and swerved the police can over and over to torture him because he was black. There'd cannot possibly be a more nuanced scenario.I have seen no report anywhere of his larynx being crushed. I have only read that here.
I have seen no report anywhere of him being denied medical care in fact, I have read that an ambulance was called at Gray's request 30 minutes after his arrest. The ambulance was called because Gray had asked for medical attention and an inhaler.
I have seen no report anywhere of him having had other serious injuries. I had read of a bolt in the van matching an injury to him but I read it once and never saw it again.
I have read that he was not belted in. That, I would classify as some form of negligence. I certainly would not classify it as an 'intentional criminal act'. What charges that would bring upon the officer that shouldered that responsibility I do not know. I am not a lawyer.
What I'm getting at it that is important to deal with the facts as we know them and not innuendo and assumptions of which there are plenty within this thread. With that, I will present what I see as a possible explanation for his partially severed spinal cord.
He was not belted in.* I have seen nothing saying otherwise. We have a prisoner also being transported in the van saying that there was noise that sounded like Gray throwing himself around in the van. I'd say the combination of not being belted in, Gray's own actions and the movement of the van all led to him experiencing a partially severed spinal cord. This is my guess based upon what is known so far.
We have not seen the autopsy results. We have not seen any toxicology reports. We have seen next to nothing that could be classified as actual evidence.
Here is my current source for information:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/22/us/baltimore-freddie-gray-what-we-know/
*To elaborate a bit more, were there in fact seat belts available in the van? A van that was customized to transport prisoners? I don't know. I do know that I am still reading about school buses that are not equipped with seat belts.
I am open to any information that runs counter to what I've stated here. I have no dog in this fight. I honestly don't care how it plays out. We are on a path to massive race riots and I see no way around it. If our media is going to focus on white cop on black killings while ignoring statistics on white cop on white killings, black perp on white cop killings and black perp on black cop killings, etc., the race war will come as surely as summer is coming.
I heard this evening that 35 cops have lost their lives in the line of duty since the first of this year. How many even made the news? I don't care if they did or they didn't. The point is that the media pulls the ring in our noses in the direction they wish to lead us. It's up to us to decide to resist or acquiesce.
So when I said a day or two back that a lot of these charges would not result in convictions it appears I was right. Even CNN is now running with the story that many of these charges don't have any real credibility to them. It looks like some were simply trying to placate rioters, which isn't justice at all.
So when I said a day or two back that a lot of these charges would not result in convictions it appears I was right. Even CNN is now running with the story that many of these charges don't have any real credibility to them. It looks like some were simply trying to placate rioters, which isn't justice at all.
Well, murdering someone that was in custody isn't justice either.
That hasn't been proven at this point and time, unless there's some definitive evidence it may never be proven in a court of law.