Freddie Gray dies a week after being injured during arrest

[xBiffx]

I want to see you admit you think these cops should get off without charges at all.

Like I said, fools errand. You've already decided for me, so what's the point in arguing with you. And for the record, I don't think these cops should "get off" if they did indeed deny Mr. Gray medical assistance. I HAVE SAID THAT A NUMBER OF TIMES.

Well there is a fair trade off for citizens of this country. If a police officer murders you, they aren't allowed to be a cop anymore.

Again, what is the point in debating this with you? You've already predetermined that the police murdered Mr. Gray. There is no evidence to support that. Yet here you are claiming it, again. That might be your problem right there, jumping to conclusions based on what we don't know instead of what we do.

See my above posts. I am fully expecting these cops to get off. The system is such that cops can violate our rights and get away with it.

So for the last time, what does it matter what anyone else thinks or what anyone else says they should be charged with. Thank you for clearing displaying why I called your little questionnaire a fool's errand. You've done an excellent job of explaining it.

 

[xBiffx]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37383401&postcount=779

This is where you started nit picking. But hey, if you don't want to...or can't answer the question, then whatever.

So now restating facts is nitpicking?

Who can answer your question? Do you have something that says Mr. Gray was under guard while in the hospital? Does that really mean the cops watched him die?

 

[ch33zw1z]

So now restating facts is nitpicking?

Who can answer your question? Do you have something that says Mr. Gray was under guard while in the hospital? Does that really mean the cops watched him die?

He said in custody.

When were the charges dropped? Can you answer that one? Or are you just gonna continue being an asshole.

 

[xBiffx]

When were the charges dropped? Can you answer that one? Or are you just gonna continue being an asshole.

Asshole? I state a fact and you accuse me of nitpicking. The asshole is you. Go find your own answer. I don't know why you keep going on about this little topic. It doesn't matter when the charges were dropped if ever. The fact is that the cops did not sit and watch Mr. Gray die. He died in the hospital a week after his arrest for fucks sake!

I'm done feeding the troll.

 

[JSt0rm]

What was this "fact" you stated?

 

[cabri]

There is only one officer charged with second degree murder. The rest are charged with manslaughter and lesser charges.

I'd assume the DOJ will get involved in some way shape or form. When these charges fail to bring a guilty verdict. I suspect civil rights charges will come down from the feds.

Civil rights charges are always from political fallout when the agitators/politicians do not get the results that they desire.

A way of ignoring the double jeopardy clause of the Constitution

 

[xBiffx]

What was this "fact" you stated?

He died a week later in the hospital.

I know, it's the special brand of stupid....

 

[ch33zw1z]

Asshole? I state a fact and you accuse me of nitpicking. The asshole is you. Go find your own answer. I don't know why you keep going on about this little topic. It doesn't matter when the charges were dropped if ever. The fact is that the cops did not sit and watch Mr. Gray die. He died in the hospital a week after his arrest for fucks sake!

I'm done feeding the troll.

So, if he was still under arrest, then he's still in custody. I'm sorry you feel the need to get all bent out of shape when I wanted to know something that you make seem so little...now. Yet, you still continue to post about it.

Under arrest == in custody.
Not under arrest == not in custody.

Continue to nit pick, or whatever it is you want to call it.

 

[xBiffx]

So, if he was still under arrest, then he's still in custody. I'm sorry you feel the need to get all bent out of shape when I wanted to know something that you make seem so little...now. Yet, you still continue to post about it.

Under arrest == in custody.
Not under arrest == not in custody.

Continue to nit pick, or whatever it is you want to call it.

You are a complete troll. When did I ever say he wasn't in police custody? God damn you are dumb.

 

[ch33zw1z]

What was this "fact" you stated?

He died a week after the arrest. We all know that, what Biff was nit picking about was whether or not he was "in custody" and because he was in the hospital, the cops probably weren't there, so they didn't "watch him die".

Biff is an asshole, and spends enormous amounts of energy not answering questions. Even for those forum members who actually want to know. But hey, I'm trolling, or so he says.

I would probably be a angry SOB if I stared at corn all day too.

 

[xBiffx]

He died a week after the arrest. We all know that, what Biff was nit picking about was whether or not he was "in custody" and because he was in the hospital, the cops probably weren't there, so they didn't "watch him die".

Biff is an asshole, and spends enormous amounts of energy not answering questions. Even for those forum members who actually want to know. But hey, I'm trolling, or so he says.

You are a dumbass.

Read this again.

It is clear that if it wasn't intentional there was certainly some negligence to watch a man die and do nothing about it.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You are a complete troll. When did I ever say he wasn't in police custody? God damn you are dumb.

Oh, so you're not done?

Then was he in custody or not?

 

[ch33zw1z]

You are a dumbass.

I'm a dumbass troll, how nice.

 

[xBiffx]

Oh, so you're not done?

Then was he in custody or not?

Did I say he wasn't? NO

I said that the police didn't just watch him die and do nothing about it. He died in the hospital a week after his arrest. How in the fuck can they be guilty of watching him die and doing nothing when that is the case?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Read it Biff. You want to nit pick, then here it is. It doesn't matter if he died in the van or at the hospital. What matters is how he got that way. You're nit picking one little bit of Genx's post, but can't answer simple questions.

/Rage on dude, you're the king.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Did I say he wasn't? NO

I said that the police didn't just watch him die and do nothing about it. He died in the hospital a week after his arrest. How in the fuck can they be guilty of watching him die and doing nothing when that is the case?

As far as anyone with a conscious is concerned, they watched him die in that van.

I'll ask one more time, was he in custody when he died?

 

[xBiffx]

Read it Biff. You want to nit pick, then here it is. It doesn't matter if he died in the van or at the hospital. What matters is how he got that way. You're nit picking one little bit of Genx's post, but can't answer simple questions.

/Rage on dude, you're the king.

So the police are guilty of watching a man die and doing nothing even if he is in the hospital for a week before his death? So if he wasn't under arrest at the time of his death, the police are no longer guilty of watching and doing nothing?

Nice troll.

 

[Exophase]

I don't get this back and forth on whether or not he died in police custody. It's irrelevant because if there were officers stationed at the hospital they aren't being charged with anything and I haven't heard anyone calling for them to be, so who cares?

The cops who were charged didn't have him in his custody when they died, but if he entered a nearly certainly terminal and comatose state under his custody then for all intents and purposes it's the same thing and with the same culpability.

 

[Ns1]

So the police are guilty of watching a man die and doing nothing even if he is in the hospital for a week before his death?

If they're the ones that broke his neck and failed to call medical help when requested, yes.

 

[ch33zw1z]

So the police are guilty of watching a man die and doing nothing even if he is in the hospital for a week before his death?

Damn straight. but go ahead and nit pick about whether or not the police were there to watch him take his last breath.

So if he wasn't under arrest at the time of his death, the police are no longer guilty of watching and doing nothing?

Nice troll.

never said that, and you can't answer the question it seems.

I stated my point of view one post above yours, funny how you didn't respond to that one.

 

[xBiffx]

If they're the ones that broke his neck and failed to call medical help when requested, yes.

If they did nothing, then how did he end up at the hospital? I'm all for disciplining the officers who, if its shown to be true, denied any medical care. Again, I have said as much many times already. But that's different than saying the police watched a man die and did nothing.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I don't get this back and forth on whether or not he died in police custody. It's irrelevant because if there were officers stationed at the hospital they aren't being charged with anything and I haven't heard anyone calling for them to be, so who cares?

The cops who were charged didn't have him in his custody when they died, but if he entered a nearly certainly terminal and comatose state under his custody then for all intents and purposes it's the same thing and with the same culpability.

agreed.

 

[Exophase]

If they did nothing, then how did he end up at the hospital? I'm all for disciplining the officers who, if its shown to be true, denied any medical care. Again, I have said as much many times already. But that's different than saying the police watched a man die and did nothing.

Something was done too late. They probably could have done something sooner. But I agree that the fact that the driver took him to the hospital should be considered at least potentially mitigating against claims that he intended to cause death or was indifferent to it.

 

[xBiffx]

Read it Biff. You want to nit pick, then here it is. It doesn't matter if he died in the van or at the hospital. What matters is how he got that way. You're nit picking one little bit of Genx's post, but can't answer simple questions.

/Rage on dude, you're the king.

It's not nit picking. Its the difference between murder, manslaughter, and negligence.

If its nit picking to discern the difference between those then so be it.

 

[JSt0rm]

I know, it's the special brand of stupid....

Oh so your point is that because he died a week later in the hospital he didnt die because of the police? Or he didnt die in police custody? I mean isnt that splitting hairs just because you have some free time this Thursday afternoon and want to play devils advocate?