Free copy of Holy Qur'an

[GeneValgene]

thanks OP!

 

[numark]

Originally posted by: smurfmods
Wow Cool Deal

My very own copy to urinate on.

That is completely inappropriate. You certainly have your right to dislike the tenets of certain religions (even though many of these generally-accepted "tenets" today are contrary to the actual teachings of Islam), it doesn't mean you have to be disrespectful towards someone's religion in such a crude manner. I don't agree with many religious ideas of a good number of the major religions (I don't align myself with any religion, per se, personally), but I don't disrespect their holy books like that.

I had the honor of listening to a speech by Arian Sharifi (a former producer for ABC News in Afghanistan) a few months ago in Denmark. He brought up some interesting points on this topic, especially how many of today's conflicts start with misunderstanding another person's religion. This applies equally to both sides. Many Americans seem to have a warped view of Islam from what they see on the news, not realizing that most common people in the Muslim world actually condemn terrorist attacks. On the other hand, some vulnerable young men in Muslim countries are easily swayed by charismatic religious leaders who tell them that America and Christianity is unspeakably evil and corrupt, even though we know that that also isn't true. Nonetheless, each side seems to misunderstand the other's views, and that's where conflict starts to happen.

It'd be nice if more people were able to sit down and think about this things. Unfortunately, they don't, and that's when wars and insurgencies form. Having been in the middle of a war zone, he's been able to see this first hand. It's really something to think about.

 

[smurfmods]

Where was the outcry from muslims when the towers fell? Oh yeah, they where dancing in the streets. I have never once seen a story in print or on the news about a muslim denoucing terror or pleading for the terrorists stop. Terrorism usually achieves the opposite of what you want. The violence just makes people more resolved to resist.

How many bombings have there been around the world while the muslim world sits silent. Where are the tears shed for the innocent on both sides.

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: smurfmods
Where was the outcry from muslims when the towers fell? Oh yeah, they where dancing in the streets. I have never once seen a story in print or on the news about a muslim denoucing terror or pleading for the terrorists stop. Terrorism usually achieves the opposite of what you want. The violence just makes people more resolved to resist.

How many bombings have there been around the world while the muslim world sits silent. Where are the tears shed for the innocent on both sides.

you're ridiculous, as well as quite immature

 

[cronos]

Originally posted by: figfiddle
I need a copy. We usually use newspapers to start our fireplace with so this will be a nice change of pace.

:|

 

[cronos]

Originally posted by: smurfmods
Wow Cool Deal

My very own copy to urinate on.

ok, this is just unacceptable.

 

[iluv2sin]

Here's a little known fact for you "good Christians" out there who hate anyone of the Muslim faith:

YOU'RE WORSHIPPING THE SAME GOD!

That's right... the Muslim faith is a Christian-based faith, just like Catholics, Protestants, and Jews. The main difference is they believe that Jesus was just another prophet and not the son of the God. They believe another prophet, Mohammed, was really God's messenger and they follow his writings, aka The Qur'an which, like the Bible, teaches peace and respect of others not death and destruction like many American's have been lead to believe.

That said, here's a quick question to make you think:

If the terrorists who bombed the World Trade Center had been a radical group of Christians instead of a radical group of Muslims, would you hate all Christians as a result?

And before you say "But Christians would never kill innocent people like that!" try to remember a little thing call the Crusades in which Christians tortured and killed thousands of innocent people in the name of faith.

For the record, I'm an Athiest... so I have no bias one way or the other.

 

[smurfmods]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$

Originally posted by: smurfmods
Where was the outcry from muslims when the towers fell? Oh yeah, they where dancing in the streets. I have never once seen a story in print or on the news about a muslim denoucing terror or pleading for the terrorists stop. Terrorism usually achieves the opposite of what you want. The violence just makes people more resolved to resist.

How many bombings have there been around the world while the muslim world sits silent. Where are the tears shed for the innocent on both sides.

you're ridiculous, as well as quite immature

While everything you said is quite true. It's also very true that there where muslims dancing in the streets after 9/11. They had video of it all over the news and internet. Very sad. I don't rejoice when an iraqi or anyone else dies because of a stray bomb or bullet from an american gun. It's sad either way.

Can you point to a story about how much muslims detest the violence??

 

[numark]

Originally posted by: smurfmods
Where was the outcry from muslims when the towers fell? Oh yeah, they where dancing in the streets. I have never once seen a story in print or on the news about a muslim denoucing terror or pleading for the terrorists stop. Terrorism usually achieves the opposite of what you want. The violence just makes people more resolved to resist.

How many bombings have there been around the world while the muslim world sits silent. Where are the tears shed for the innocent on both sides.

Well, here are just a few instances of Muslims denouncing the attacks of September 11th. Even the Palestinians and Iranians were condemning the terrorist attacks. Unfortunately, the media seems to have woefully failed at its job by focusing on the relatively few times that certain Muslim groups were cheering it on. These are usually groups that advocate terrorism in the first place. However, they don't represent the mainstream Muslim population, but nonetheless they got a hugely disproportionate chunk of the news coverage here in America. This is no doubt one of the things that leads to the situation in my previous post, whereby Americans get an incorrect view of the state of things in the Muslim world simply because the media would prefer to cover the few crazy cheerers instead of the millions of Muslims around the world who actually did condemn the attacks.

An interesting note from that page: "The US Consul General in Jerusalem reported that he has received a huge stack of faxes from Palestinians and Palestinian organizations expressing condolences, grief and solidarity. He himself was pained to see that the media chose to focus on the sensational images of a few Palestinians rejoicing."

 

[iluv2sin]

Originally posted by: smurfmods
Where was the outcry from muslims when the towers fell? Oh yeah, they where dancing in the streets. I have never once seen a story in print or on the news about a muslim denoucing terror or pleading for the terrorists stop. Terrorism usually achieves the opposite of what you want. The violence just makes people more resolved to resist.

How many bombings have there been around the world while the muslim world sits silent. Where are the tears shed for the innocent on both sides.

Why should the Muslim faith as a whole apologize for the actions of one small group of extremists? That's like saying that all Christians should have to apologize for the few that kill abortion doctors.

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: smurfmods

Originally posted by: KidViciou$

Originally posted by: smurfmods
Where was the outcry from muslims when the towers fell? Oh yeah, they where dancing in the streets. I have never once seen a story in print or on the news about a muslim denoucing terror or pleading for the terrorists stop. Terrorism usually achieves the opposite of what you want. The violence just makes people more resolved to resist.

How many bombings have there been around the world while the muslim world sits silent. Where are the tears shed for the innocent on both sides.

you're ridiculous, as well as quite immature

While everything you said is quite true. It's also very true that there where muslims dancing in the streets after 9/11. They had video of it all over the news and internet. Very sad. I don't rejoice when an iraqi or anyone else dies because of a stray bomb or bullet from an american gun. It's sad either way.

Can you point to a story about how much muslims detest the violence??

look at the pictures of the people around the world who mourned 9/11, instead of just being a monkey where you see an image, and keep jumping around screeching and flinging feces in the form of your ignorant attacks!

 

[godfathercj69]

hey thanks... i needed something to fix the wobble on my desk

 

[godfathercj69]

I even sent my US Marine brother a copy of this... i think he is going to practice his bomb making skills on this book

 

[govtcheez75]

Originally posted by: smurfmods

Originally posted by: KidViciou$

Originally posted by: smurfmods
Where was the outcry from muslims when the towers fell? Oh yeah, they where dancing in the streets. I have never once seen a story in print or on the news about a muslim denoucing terror or pleading for the terrorists stop. Terrorism usually achieves the opposite of what you want. The violence just makes people more resolved to resist.

How many bombings have there been around the world while the muslim world sits silent. Where are the tears shed for the innocent on both sides.

you're ridiculous, as well as quite immature

While everything you said is quite true. It's also very true that there where muslims dancing in the streets after 9/11. They had video of it all over the news and internet. Very sad. I don't rejoice when an iraqi or anyone else dies because of a stray bomb or bullet from an american gun. It's sad either way.

Can you point to a story about how much muslims detest the violence??

out of the millions of Muslims in the US...I wonder how many were dancing on the streets and how many were totally digusted by those that were dancing on the streets. Somewhere, in the state where you live...there are racists that will celebrate the deaths of blacks/asians/jews/etc. If the news showed them dancing on the streets, I guess it would be correct to assume that every caucasian in that state are racists. It saddens me to see the way people like you think. It saddens me, because I can see how Nazis got started.

 

[govtcheez75]

Originally posted by: iluv2sin

Originally posted by: smurfmods
Where was the outcry from muslims when the towers fell? Oh yeah, they where dancing in the streets. I have never once seen a story in print or on the news about a muslim denoucing terror or pleading for the terrorists stop. Terrorism usually achieves the opposite of what you want. The violence just makes people more resolved to resist.

How many bombings have there been around the world while the muslim world sits silent. Where are the tears shed for the innocent on both sides.

Why should the Muslim faith as a whole apologize for the actions of one small group of extremists? That's like saying that all Christians should have to apologize for the few that kill abortion doctors.

If we Catholics/Christians had to apologize for all the people that have been killed in the name of god...we'd spend our whole lives doing nothing but apologizing.

 

[shoRunner]

Originally posted by: iluv2sin

YOU'RE WORSHIPPING THE SAME GOD!

lol how do you know?

 

[bf1942]

The Qur'an states:
5:14... Christians... we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment.
5:64. The Jews... Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment.
9:30. The Jews... and the Christians... Allah's curse be on them...!
48:28... to proclaim it [Islam] over all religion...
9:73... strive hard against the unbelievers... Their abode is Hell...
2:191. And slay them wherever ye catch them...
----
These passages obviously declare war which can only be ended by the total destruction of all other religions by Islam. Clearly millions of Moslems see them this way.
A non-Islamic, how am I to feel safe in the face of these passages from the Qur'an? How are these expressions of peace?

 

[akubi]

Originally posted by: bf1942
The Qur'an states:
5:14... Christians... we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment.
5:64. The Jews... Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment.
9:30. The Jews... and the Christians... Allah's curse be on them...!
48:28... to proclaim it [Islam] over all religion...
9:73... strive hard against the unbelievers... Their abode is Hell...
2:191. And slay them wherever ye catch them...
----
These passages obviously declare war which can only be ended by the total destruction of all other religions by Islam. Clearly millions of Moslems see them this way.
A non-Islamic, how am I to feel safe in the face of these passages from the Qur'an? How are these expressions of peace?

tsk tsk... man, that's fvcked up!

 

[iluv2sin]

Originally posted by: shoRunner

Originally posted by: iluv2sin

YOU'RE WORSHIPPING THE SAME GOD!

lol how do you know?

Look at the history of all three faiths and you'll see what I'm talking about. Hell, The Qur'an even talks about Jesus in some passages!

 

[govtcheez75]

Originally posted by: akubi

Originally posted by: bf1942
The Qur'an states:
5:14... Christians... we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment.
5:64. The Jews... Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment.
9:30. The Jews... and the Christians... Allah's curse be on them...!
48:28... to proclaim it [Islam] over all religion...
9:73... strive hard against the unbelievers... Their abode is Hell...
2:191. And slay them wherever ye catch them...
----
These passages obviously declare war which can only be ended by the total destruction of all other religions by Islam. Clearly millions of Moslems see them this way.
A non-Islamic, how am I to feel safe in the face of these passages from the Qur'an? How are these expressions of peace?

tsk tsk... man, that's fvcked up!

I really can't believe I'm the one sticking up for Muslims:
I don't know what's in the Qur'an, since I've never read it myself. i will say that there are many things that shouldn't be taken literally in the Bible, and I'm guessing that there are many such instances in that book as well. I'm Catholic and eat meat on Fridays. I'm pretty sure that doesn't condemn me to hell. Read the signature of bf1942: "Acts 2:38
Repent and be baptized for the forgivness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." - This would mean that Osama could repent, and be baptized and go to Heaven? I don't want to believe that either.

 

[numark]

Originally posted by: bf1942
The Qur'an states:
2:191. And slay them wherever ye catch them...

Read it a little more in context. The verse right before it reads: "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors." Basically what that section is saying is, if other nations declare war on you, defend your land in order to preserve your people and religion. In fact, it specifically says to limit yourself only to killing those that must necessarily die in war; don't transgress the normal limits of war. Unfortunately, a verse like this is very easy to misinterpret, especially out of context. No doubt many extremist Muslim leaders are using this verse out of context in order to spur young men to join their cause. However, when you read it carefully, you realize that all it's basically saying is that, in war, killing is often necessary. Just don't go around starting wars yourself.

 

[smurfmods]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$

Originally posted by: smurfmods

Originally posted by: KidViciou$

Originally posted by: smurfmods
Where was the outcry from muslims when the towers fell? Oh yeah, they where dancing in the streets. I have never once seen a story in print or on the news about a muslim denoucing terror or pleading for the terrorists stop. Terrorism usually achieves the opposite of what you want. The violence just makes people more resolved to resist.

How many bombings have there been around the world while the muslim world sits silent. Where are the tears shed for the innocent on both sides.

you're ridiculous, as well as quite immature

While everything you said is quite true. It's also very true that there where muslims dancing in the streets after 9/11. They had video of it all over the news and internet. Very sad. I don't rejoice when an iraqi or anyone else dies because of a stray bomb or bullet from an american gun. It's sad either way.

Can you point to a story about how much muslims detest the violence??

look at the pictures of the people around the world who mourned 9/11, instead of just being a monkey where you see an image, and keep jumping around screeching and flinging feces in the form of your ignorant attacks!

I haven't tried to really attack anyone. I wouldn't ask anyone to opologize for something they didn't do. I wuz just saying they should denouce it. Far too many just sit idly by while the extremists distort the Koran. Oh yeah, the "simpathy" of iran and others after 9/11 didn't last too long. They went right back to chanting Death to America

 

[tennisflip]

Will I go on an FBI watchlist if I order one?

 

[iluv2sin]

Originally posted by: tennisflip
Will I go on an FBI watchlist if I order one?

LOL... I was thinking the something similiar:

Is this just a plot by the government to see who's a "sympathizer" out there?

Too funny!

 

[iluv2sin]

Oh yeah, the "simpathy" of iran and others after 9/11 didn't last too long. They went right back to chanting Death to America

Now your just confusing politics with religion. Iran, like several countries, has a beef with the US in general. They use religion as a way to justify their actions but they really just doing it in a vain attempt to gain more power and respect. I mean look at North Korea... they hate our guts and would gladly chant "Death to America" but they sure as hell aren't Muslim.

Just a thought.