Free copy of Holy Qur'an

[rhacquer]

Originally posted by: figfiddle
I need a copy. We usually use newspapers to start our fireplace with so this will be a nice change of pace.

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One less biggoted prick on our forums.

Good bye.

AnandTech Moderator

Which raises an interesting issue... What is a tolerant culture supposed to do when infiltrated (sorry I couldn't come up with a less inflammatory word) by an intolerant culture? From what I have read and studied, there is a significant body of Islamic scripture dictating that infidels (non-Muslims) are to be brought to the faith by force if necessary. That's a very hot issue in Holland right now, while that terrorist is on trial for murder.

 

[rhacquer]

Originally posted by: Reflex
I am just going to point out, having read the Quran myself, that the first couple chapters are dedicated to instruction on how a Muslim is to interact and treat a Christian or Jew. They refer to the continual battles between them and instruct them to rise above it. It is quite clear that they are to be treated as brothers who are perhaps a bit misguided.

I understand that Mohammed's writings about Christians and Jews were not nearly so moderate in his later years. There are supposed to be a lot of inconsistencies in the Koran that way.

 

[rhacquer]

What bf1942 said... great links. With that said--I'm not going to diss on Muslims in my neighborhood or workplace, because my God loves them as much as He loves me.

 

[imported_Reflex]

rhacquer - I suggest you read the book for yourself. You might be suprised by what it actually says.

 

[wallsfd949]

Originally posted by: iluv2sin
Here's a little known fact for you "good Christians" out there who hate anyone of the Muslim faith:

YOU'RE WORSHIPPING THE SAME GOD!

You're sadly mistaken, but it is a common misconception.




[edit]
This one was locked up within 12 hours. A mod has already visited this thread.... I wonder how long it will stay afloat before being locked (like it should be)

 

[Otaking]

Woo, thread reminds me of P&N

Have a :beer: and !

 

[11thHour]

A lot of people get pretty freaky when the Qur'an is mentioned because of the way some are using it to justify the killing of innocent people.

However christians have used the Bible in the same way over the years, to justify the killing of even more innocent people. Based on history, it seems its all fair in love, war, and religious zealoutry, according to each perpetrator atleast.

 

[Powermoloch]

Originally posted by: figfiddle
I need a copy. We usually use newspapers to start our fireplace with so this will be a nice change of pace.

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One less biggoted prick on our forums.

Good bye.

AnandTech Moderator

You betta need some @$$ whoopin kid !

 

[Lurknomore]

Originally posted by: bf1942
The Qur'an states:
5:14... Christians... we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment.
5:64. The Jews... Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment.
9:30. The Jews... and the Christians... Allah's curse be on them...!
48:28... to proclaim it [Islam] over all religion...
9:73... strive hard against the unbelievers... Their abode is Hell...
2:191. And slay them wherever ye catch them...
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These passages obviously declare war which can only be ended by the total destruction of all other religions by Islam. Clearly millions of Moslems see them this way.
A non-Islamic, how am I to feel safe in the face of these passages from the Qur'an? How are these expressions of peace?

If indeed the Qur'an contains these verses, it's despicable and vile.
I don't know of any other religions specifically attacking others like Islam.
Whether these verses are literal or not, ANY religion specifically attacking others should be
condemned.

 

[sintaxera]

For the curious, this is a hot deal. Whether you agree with it or not, just to read what others truly believe is interesting. The only thing I wonder is if it comes in an anonymous wrapping, with no return address. Having this sent to your house might be the modern day version of checking out Catcher in the Rye from the library.

 

[catsbuddy]

Thanks OP. Gaining a little understanding isn't a bad idea.

 

[austinpowers3211]

I think all religions are hypocritical in one way or another. In general, most people turn to religion during hardships and at their weakest moments. Religion is for weak minded people who can not distinguish right from wrong on their own, but need "guidance" from a book supposedly ordained by a god. Let's face it. All these supposed holy books were written by man, interpreted by man, and sold by man. So my question is, what makes one man more moral than another that he can preach and lecture others? I for one don't need a book or religion to tell me killing or stealing is wrong. I figured that one out on my own, thanks. I'm probably going to be banned for my opinion soon so it was nice being here while it lasted.

 

[anazoal]

Order the Qur'an and read it. It's easy to be prejudiced against what you perceived as foreign -- it?s amazing how people derive their "knowledge" (I use the term loosely) from anecdotal information or even prejudiced sources.

Imagine how easy it would be for someone to paint a bad picture of Christianity:

EXO 15:3 ?The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.?

"I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy." (Jer. 13:14) "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling."

Also, bear in mind that this month marks the 10 year anniversary of the massacre at Srebrenica (8,000 Bosnian muslim men and boys slaughtered by Serb Christians).

...As much as I hate to use the above as an example, I do so only to show how things can be misconstrued. The only way to counter this is through education.

 

[Lurknomore]

Oh, and sorry for disrupting the "peaceful" end to this not-so-hot deal thread.
But when it ends with a 'we should all get along by reading the Qur'an' message, I have to dissent.
If one chooses not to read the Qur'an, and says so, or says that he/she disagrees with some of its content, then that person should not be condemned as bigoted or intolerant.
SAME for the Bible, or any other religious text which we may disagree with or have no interest in.

Hey if you choose to read the Qur'an, then good for you.
If not, good for you too.

 

[Lurknomore]

Let's face it.
All religions- Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, etc...are simply belief systems and cannot have any of their records verified. No empirical evidence.

Science is the best religion.

 

[laier19usa]

Originally posted by: austinpowers3211
I think all religions are hypocritical in one way or another. In general, most people turn to religion during hardships and at their weakest moments. Religion is for weak minded people who can not distinguish right from wrong on their own, but need "guidance" from a book supposedly ordained by a god. Let's face it. All these supposed holy books were written by man, interpreted by man, and sold by man. So my question is, what makes one man more moral than another that he can preach and lecture others? I for one don't need a book or religion to tell me killing or stealing is wrong. I figured that one out on my own, thanks. I'm probably going to be banned for my opinion soon so it was nice being here while it lasted.

I kind of agree with you, except I think religion can be a positive tool in many people's lives. On the otherhand, it can also be used as an excuse or crutch for other agendas. Like any other tool, it can be used for good or for evil, but to generalize that religions are all bad isn't right.

 

[anazoal]

Originally posted by: Lurknomore
Oh, and sorry for disrupting the "peaceful" end to this not-so-hot deal thread.
But when it ends with a 'we should all get along by reading the Qur'an' message, I have to dissent.
If one chooses not to read the Qur'an, and says so, or says that he/she disagrees with some of its content, then that person should not be condemned as bigoted or intolerant.
SAME for the Bible, or any other religious text which we may disagree with or have no interest in.

Hey if you choose to read the Qur'an, then good for you.
If not, good for you too.

...At best you didn't understand the gist of what was posted in this thread, but more likely you are trying to get the last negative comment in -- the undertones of your post are pretty obvious, by the way.

EDIT:

Let's face it.
All religions- Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, etc...are simply belief systems and cannot have any of their records verified. No empirical evidence.

Science is the best religion.

I take that back, your second post made your opinion pretty obvious.

 

[Lurknomore]

Originally posted by: anazoal

Originally posted by: Lurknomore
Oh, and sorry for disrupting the "peaceful" end to this not-so-hot deal thread.
But when it ends with a 'we should all get along by reading the Qur'an' message, I have to dissent.
If one chooses not to read the Qur'an, and says so, or says that he/she disagrees with some of its content, then that person should not be condemned as bigoted or intolerant.
SAME for the Bible, or any other religious text which we may disagree with or have no interest in.

Hey if you choose to read the Qur'an, then good for you.
If not, good for you too.

...At best you didn't understand the gist of what was posted in this thread, but more likely you are trying to get the last negative comment in -- the undertones of your post are pretty obvious, by the way.

Ahem, the thread title is for a free copy of the Qur'an. Geez, you can find free Bibles if you look, so not-so-hot.
Then, some hateful comments.
Then some defenders.
The ebb and flow.
And how exactly was my comment negative?
Can you disprove that those hateful verses are not in the Qur'an?

 

[Lurknomore]

Originally posted by: AStar617

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
doesn't this count as proselytizing:? isn't advertising not ok in hot deals?

Exactly who is proselytizing here? For the nth time, I'm not Muslim, nor do I currently plan to be. Regardless of your faith, this is recognized as a historic and important text, one that is often referenced these days but often misunderstood. All I offered was a chance to anyone to have it in its entirely for their own reference.

I might add that your thread-crap response is much less ok here than my original post which has ZERO ulterior motives attached. :|

Sounds like proselytizing to me.
If anyone else did the same with the Bible, all hell (excuse the pun) would break loose.
"Historic and important text". A lot of atheists would disagree.

 

[anazoal]

Can you disprove that those hateful verses are not in the Qur'an?

...If you had taken the trouble to try to understand, you would have read about the quotes being taken out of context.

But when it ends with a 'we should all get along by reading the Qur'an' message, I have to dissent.

That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it but it doesn't change the fact that it is a negative statement that has no bearing on whether this is a hot deal or not, and should not have been posted. Your thread crapping became a little more obvious with

Science is the best religion.

 

[anazoal]

Originally posted by: Lurknomore
Sounds like proselytizing to me.
If anyone else did the same with the Bible, all hell (excuse the pun) would break loose.
"Historic and important text". A lot of atheists would disagree.

Note that he said "Historic and important text" and not Holy. Anything that affects history in such a manner is important and historic (by definition, since it's a part of history) The fact that you don't have the inclination to read, yet seem to be ready to pass judgment and spout information is disturbing.

 

[LightningStrikes]

I'm confused.....

Has this forum all of a sudden been changed into some type of religious forum?

There is a place for it, but not here.......

There are are plenty of free resources for just about every religious conviction there is...

But not here.....

Why isn't this thread locked??????????????????????

All this does is cause derisive commentary.......

I can't imagine any religion being a hot deal...

What ever happened to simply being civil to your following human being?

-LS

 

[Lurknomore]

Originally posted by: anazoal

Can you disprove that those hateful verses are not in the Qur'an?

...If you had taken the trouble to try to understand, you would have read about the quotes being taken out of context.

Taken out of context, by WHOM? I know Reflex claims they were taken out of context but he never explained how. Those verse, like verses in any relgious text, are open to interpretation by those who read it. You can try to rationalize the verses any way you want to- some see pure intolerance in the Bible, while others don't.

But when it ends with a 'we should all get along by reading the Qur'an' message, I have to dissent.

That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it but it doesn't change the fact that it is a negative statement that has no bearing on whether this is a hot deal or not, and should not have been posted. Your thread crapping became a little more obvious with

Science is the best religion.

A negative statement? As negative as some of those verses? Excuse me, ahem, I'm just interpreting...
BTW, I wish this was moved to OT or Politics.
Hot deals should be reserved for deals of the geeky kind.

 

[Lurknomore]

Originally posted by: anazoal

Originally posted by: Lurknomore
Sounds like proselytizing to me.
If anyone else did the same with the Bible, all hell (excuse the pun) would break loose.
"Historic and important text". A lot of atheists would disagree.

Note that he said "Historic and important text" and not Holy. Anything that affects history in such a manner is important and historic (by definition, since it's a part of history) The fact that you don't have the inclination to read, yet seem to be ready to pass judgment and spout information is disturbing.

It's a religious text, pure and simple. HOW do you NOT understand this?
What if I was a Mormon, said I was a Mormon and was offering a free Book of Mormons on this forum?
And claimed that it was a "historic and important"- very vague indeed- document? Heck, alot of people in Salt Lake City would agree that it is.
I think this place would denounce and trash it as proselytizing. So would I.

 

[KidViciou$]

i'm expecting my dad to blow a gasket because he'll think i'll end up on some terrorist watch list when finds out i requested a quran. what sad times we live in

and people like bill o'reilly and sean hannity don't help, but rather help to fan the flames.