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Originally posted by: smurfmods
Originally posted by: KidViciou$
Originally posted by: smurfmods
Where was the outcry from muslims when the towers fell? Oh yeah, they where dancing in the streets. I have never once seen a story in print or on the news about a muslim denoucing terror or pleading for the terrorists stop. Terrorism usually achieves the opposite of what you want. The violence just makes people more resolved to resist.

How many bombings have there been around the world while the muslim world sits silent. Where are the tears shed for the innocent on both sides.

you're ridiculous, as well as quite immature

While everything you said is quite true. It's also very true that there where muslims dancing in the streets after 9/11. They had video of it all over the news and internet. Very sad. I don't rejoice when an iraqi or anyone else dies because of a stray bomb or bullet from an american gun. It's sad either way.

Can you point to a story about how much muslims detest the violence??


out of the millions of Muslims in the US...I wonder how many were dancing on the streets and how many were totally digusted by those that were dancing on the streets. Somewhere, in the state where you live...there are racists that will celebrate the deaths of blacks/asians/jews/etc. If the news showed them dancing on the streets, I guess it would be correct to assume that every caucasian in that state are racists. It saddens me to see the way people like you think. It saddens me, because I can see how Nazis got started.


Hmm you make a good point. Basically the same one I already made about bible thumpers taking things to an extreme. I have already said that not all muslims are like that. I just don't see them joining with us to try and solve the problem. Stop teaching hate and anti western views. If the extremists got their way the US would fall and the world would plunge into a dark age. The world economy would collapse. I wish we never had to worry about that area. Let them all kill themselves and beat each other over the head with prayer rugs. I dont give a Funken Wagnell. If the US would just say screw you and develop oil less technologies. I curse Allah everytime I have to fill up my gas tank.

Can anyone seriously tell my why a lot of the muslim world dislikes the US or westerners in general? Is it just the Crusades? Damn, that's a long time to hold a grudge. Should we still be pissed about the Islamic Conquests, 632 - 661

I wondered how long it would take for someone to make a nazi reference. You can't have a good arguement these days without compairing the other side to Hitler or the Nazis. Good job. Let me see if I can do it too... These damn muslims have no tolerance for other views. It's kill all the infidels! Nazis felt jews were the root of all their problems. So the intolerant nazis tried to kill them all.
 

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Originally posted by: bf1942
The Qur'an states:
5:14... Christians... we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment.
5:64. The Jews... Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment.
9:30. The Jews... and the Christians... Allah's curse be on them...!
48:28... to proclaim it [Islam] over all religion...
9:73... strive hard against the unbelievers... Their abode is Hell...
2:191. And slay them wherever ye catch them...
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These passages obviously declare war which can only be ended by the total destruction of all other religions by Islam. Clearly millions of Moslems see them this way.
A non-Islamic, how am I to feel safe in the face of these passages from the Qur'an? How are these expressions of peace?


Yeah, why don't you put in more ... and omit more parts to make it sound good for you? Bibles say you shouldn't kill, Christians kill. Bible is against homosexual, talks about sacrificing animals, stoning people to death, owning slaves, etc. Obviously you haven't seen the Dr. Laura e-mail.
 

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Originally posted by: smurfmods
Originally posted by: govtcheez75
Originally posted by: smurfmods
Originally posted by: KidViciou$
Originally posted by: smurfmods
Where was the outcry from muslims when the towers fell? Oh yeah, they where dancing in the streets. I have never once seen a story in print or on the news about a muslim denoucing terror or pleading for the terrorists stop. Terrorism usually achieves the opposite of what you want. The violence just makes people more resolved to resist.

How many bombings have there been around the world while the muslim world sits silent. Where are the tears shed for the innocent on both sides.

you're ridiculous, as well as quite immature

While everything you said is quite true. It's also very true that there where muslims dancing in the streets after 9/11. They had video of it all over the news and internet. Very sad. I don't rejoice when an iraqi or anyone else dies because of a stray bomb or bullet from an american gun. It's sad either way.

Can you point to a story about how much muslims detest the violence??


out of the millions of Muslims in the US...I wonder how many were dancing on the streets and how many were totally digusted by those that were dancing on the streets. Somewhere, in the state where you live...there are racists that will celebrate the deaths of blacks/asians/jews/etc. If the news showed them dancing on the streets, I guess it would be correct to assume that every caucasian in that state are racists. It saddens me to see the way people like you think. It saddens me, because I can see how Nazis got started.


Hmm you make a good point. Basically the same one I already made about bible thumpers taking things to an extreme. I have already said that not all muslims are like that. I just don't see them joining with us to try and solve the problem. Stop teaching hate and anti western views. If the extremists got their way the US would fall and the world would plunge into a dark age. The world economy would collapse. I wish we never had to worry about that area. Let them all kill themselves and beat each other over the head with prayer rugs. I dont give a Funken Wagnell. If the US would just say screw you and develop oil less technologies. I curse Allah everytime I have to fill up my gas tank.

Can anyone seriously tell my why a lot of the muslim world dislikes the US or westerners in general? Is it just the Crusades? Damn, that's a long time to hold a grudge. Should we still be pissed about the Islamic Conquests, 632 - 661

I wondered how long it would take for someone to make a nazi reference. You can't have a good arguement these days without compairing the other side to Hitler or the Nazis. Good job. Let me see if I can do it too... These damn muslims have no tolerance for other views. It's kill all the infidels! Nazis felt jews were the root of all their problems. So the intolerant nazis tried to kill them all.

Can you tell me why Jews and and Fundamental Christians hate Muslims? Its not an unknown fact. Look at your own post for instance. You curse Allah every time you put gas in the car? Why? You hate the fact that Muslims own land that is full of oil?
Its a known fact that Spanish Christians slaughtered Muslims too. Look whats happened in the last few decades. Lebanon was crushed by Israel and I remember seeing piles of bodies in mounds in images on TV. What about Bosnia where I might add 'Christians' slaughtered mercilessly, inhumanely thousands and thousands of Muslims.

Dude maybe before you spew hatred about other people. maybe you want to study them a bit and listen and learn about other cultures before you make any comment since its just poison thats dripping from your end.
 

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You have to wonder what the desired outcome is when these types of deals are posted. Anyone with any experience on any forum knows you're going to have extreme views on both sides regarding these types of topics, and people like me who couldn't care less about it either way and so aren't likely to comment at all. So, even though one may have honorable intetions you have to wonder if sometimes this is done just to troll.

Just for the record, I hate everybody equally regardless of race, creed, religion, or nationality.
 

cmccrkn

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Thanks, OP. Ironically, I was watching the news last nite and thinking "I need to read the text of the Qur'an to understand muslims better. Now I have an opportunity.
 

Adonix

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Every religion has its good sides and stupid sides. I read every holy book, and found many good things, but also many holes where they dont make any sense. To understand holy books one must go back to time when they were written, before democracy, before kapitalism, before communism.

There are hard-liners in every religion. And they are all the same. Last few years muslim extremists did horrible terrorist acts. 10 years earlier orthodox christians did genocide in Bosnia. 25 years earlier, we (christians), went to Vietnam for no reason whatsoever and killed thousands of people. 60 years earlier christians (germans), started WWII and killed millions of people, including genocide on Jews. Go back in history little more and you will find that 300 years ago christians were cutting of each other heads in public squares, same as muslims, etc..

Problem with religions in todays world is that politicians found out that its very easy to control nations by using their religious beliefs.
 

TekDemon

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Originally posted by: smurfmods
Originally posted by: KidViciou$
Originally posted by: smurfmods
Where was the outcry from muslims when the towers fell? Oh yeah, they where dancing in the streets. I have never once seen a story in print or on the news about a muslim denoucing terror or pleading for the terrorists stop. Terrorism usually achieves the opposite of what you want. The violence just makes people more resolved to resist.

How many bombings have there been around the world while the muslim world sits silent. Where are the tears shed for the innocent on both sides.

you're ridiculous, as well as quite immature

While everything you said is quite true. It's also very true that there where muslims dancing in the streets after 9/11. They had video of it all over the news and internet. Very sad. I don't rejoice when an iraqi or anyone else dies because of a stray bomb or bullet from an american gun. It's sad either way.

Can you point to a story about how much muslims detest the violence??

There's plenty of stories about how much muslims detest the violence, including recently in London.

What you are forgetting is that while *SOME* muslims danced in the streets after 9/11 that doesn't mean that all, most, or even significant numbers did. On ONE street where there happened to be a reporter's camera, someone captured a FEW muslims dancing.

This right here is the perfect example of bias. Did you ever notice that they always play that same video of people dancing? Are there ANY other videos? Uh, no.

See, since the only thing YOU see is "muslims dancing" you automatically ASSUME that this is a popular stance for muslims around the world to have. Except that that is not true at all, I can GUARANTEE YOU, that the majority of muslims around the world did not get up and dance about the twin towers falling.

Seriously dude, rethink what you really saw on TV and think about what it ACTUALLY tells you, not what the media and pundits hype it up as. All the idiot pundits just rambled about muslims dancing in the streets. So what, I was reading forums and there are idiots that say that the London bombings were a good thing since England is too liberal, and doing virtual claps.

By the same logic you used to extend the video of a FEW muslims dancing to ALL muslims, people from other countries could say stupid crap like "Americans were clapping when London was bombed". But just like the video, this would be an idiotically biased view.

Seriously guys, newspapers and television show you ONE tiny tiny tiny piece of an event most of the time. In that video of the palestinians dancing, did you ever think what the people down the street were doing? Uh, that would be not dancing. What about the people the next block over? The next neighborhood over? The entire city? The entire middle east? The f'ing world?

Taken in CORRECT context, what you should take from seeing the video or pictures of the video is this:
Some radically indoctrinated muslims have become so extremist in their hatred of the United States that they rejoiced on 9/11, however this is an extremely minority view amongst muslims of the world.
and NOT
Muslims are crazy! They dance in the streets when we get attacked! BAD BAD BAD!

I mean, I opened up the new york times website just now, and the front page has Tiger Woods crouched down on the golf course. But I don't assume that "damn, that stupid tiger woods gets paid to just crouch on golf courses all day." Because that's a WRONG assumption. What I *can* assume correctly, is that he sometimes crouches down on the golf course.

Anyways I'm so used to people bringing up that video of muslims dancing in the streets, but thankfully it was before and after 9/11 that was the semester where I was taking a course on how to see things, and it definitely opened my eyes about how little of the stuff you see you really, well, see. And considering that I spent the previous 4 years of my life about 3 blocks from the twin towers, I had a lot of reasons to hate.

 

KidViciou$

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Originally posted by: smartt
You have to wonder what the desired outcome is when these types of deals are posted. Anyone with any experience on any forum knows you're going to have extreme views on both sides regarding these types of topics, and people like me who couldn't care less about it either way and so aren't likely to comment at all. So, even though one may have honorable intetions you have to wonder if sometimes this is done just to troll.

Just for the record, I hate everybody equally regardless of race, creed, religion, or nationality.



why hate at all? why not have a love for everybody equally?
 

KidViciou$

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Originally posted by: smurfmods
Originally posted by: KidViciou$
Originally posted by: smurfmods
Originally posted by: KidViciou$
Originally posted by: smurfmods
Where was the outcry from muslims when the towers fell? Oh yeah, they where dancing in the streets. I have never once seen a story in print or on the news about a muslim denoucing terror or pleading for the terrorists stop. Terrorism usually achieves the opposite of what you want. The violence just makes people more resolved to resist.

How many bombings have there been around the world while the muslim world sits silent. Where are the tears shed for the innocent on both sides.

you're ridiculous, as well as quite immature

While everything you said is quite true. It's also very true that there where muslims dancing in the streets after 9/11. They had video of it all over the news and internet. Very sad. I don't rejoice when an iraqi or anyone else dies because of a stray bomb or bullet from an american gun. It's sad either way.

Can you point to a story about how much muslims detest the violence??

look at the pictures of the people around the world who mourned 9/11, instead of just being a monkey where you see an image, and keep jumping around screeching and flinging feces in the form of your ignorant attacks!


I haven't tried to really attack anyone. I wouldn't ask anyone to opologize for something they didn't do. I wuz just saying they should denouce it. Far too many just sit idly by while the extremists distort the Koran. Oh yeah, the "simpathy" of iran and others after 9/11 didn't last too long. They went right back to chanting Death to America

the attacks i was referring to was your comments about urinating on the quran, etc...

and like i said, these actions WERE denounced, even by iran!
 

TekDemon

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On a side note that'll probably get me flamed, I notice that there's an unfortunately high amount of soldiers who seem to particularly hate muslims. I'm sure this doesn't apply to all soldiers (after all one of my Marine friends is a muslim himself), but it was really disturbing hearing a soldier I met talk about "shooting up some [expletive] beloved patriot [expletive]s" as if it was a super-fun activity.

Then again it's undoubtedly easier to actually pull the trigger if you don't have to think about people as the same as you. And of course, undoubtedly easier to hate people if you saw your friends shot to death next to you.

Still...disturbing.
 

commOdog

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CAIR on al jazeerah

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.aljazeerah.info/News%20archives/2005%20News%20Archives/July/14%20n/CAIR%20to%20Release%20TV%20Ad,%20'Not%20in%20the%20Name%20of%20Islam',%20PSA%20Says%20Terrorism%20Violates%20Faith.htm">
CAIR to Release TV Ad, 'Not in the Name of Islam',</a>
 

AStar617

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Originally posted by: Mucker
Anandtech really needs another forum category labeled "My religion is better than yours" and the OP's post would be more appropriate there. You can also get free reading material from the Catholics, Mormons, Jehovas, Jews, etc., etc.....if you care to take a visit to one of their establishments. So, really not a very hot deal at all. What was the real reason you posted here OP? To raise ire?

It's about time we all start working with each other instead of against......

m
Wow dude, calm down. I'm a Christian American, born and raised (yes, it's ironic that I have an Arabic name). I just happen to be interested in other ways of thought than that which I was never exposed to when young. I posted here to give others who might be interested in the same thing a chance to read an important piece of literature, if nothing else.
 

AStar617

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Originally posted by: rivan
I'm interested in a free copy of the Qu'ran. Thanks OP!

The way I read the OP, there's no ulterior motive here... it's a free look at an important part of a culture that's not my own. Sadly, within the first few posts someone takes the opportunity to get bent and defend his right to close-mindedness.
Thanks for seeing this for what it is, rivan. :thumbsup:
 

imported_Reflex

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I am just going to point out, having read the Quran myself, that the first couple chapters are dedicated to instruction on how a Muslim is to interact and treat a Christian or Jew. They refer to the continual battles between them and instruct them to rise above it. It is quite clear that they are to be treated as brothers who are perhaps a bit misguided.

By many of the statements in this thread it is quite clear that few have actually read the book. Out of context quotes do not say anything about it, you could make any holy book look evil by taking quotes out of context. Do not let the actions of extremists color your opinion of Muslims. There are over a billion Muslims in this world, if they really had it in for all Christians and Jews we would have a massive war already rather than scattered fighting with extremist sects.

Those with the most extreme views are invariably the loudest, you can see that in Christian culture too with organizations like the KKK.
 

SirPsycho

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Originally posted by: AStar617
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I am interested in varying philosophies, and don't have a copy of this yet... I figured that just like Christian missions, the definitive text would be made available free from somewhere/someone

Very cool. I'm not a Christian, but we do have several Bibles in the house. I'm not a Mormon either, though I was baptized as one as a young child, and I have a copy of the Book of Mormon and a rather old but very interesting book called Mormon Doctrine by Bruce McConkie which is almost like an encyclopedia of all things Mormon (though not to be confused with the Doctrine and Convenants, which is actually published by the LDS church). I never had many Jewish friends, so I don't really know much about Judaism, and the same is true about Islam.

It's sad to know that so many ugly, ugly things have been done in the name of religious faith, and it's not something that I expect will ever change, but I've always thought that it's a good idea to understand how "the other guy" thinks, even if I don't believe it myself.

I strongly suspect that the world religions class I've been thinking of taking for a number of years now will be a lot more, uh, lively than it would have been five years ago.

If you ever hear of someone giving away copies of a book that helps you understand the differences between the various major world religions, and especially the differences between the ways that various sects within those religions view things, I would be extremely interested in that.

Just remember, guys: not all, or even most, Muslims are terrorists. There are bad cops, bad doctors, bad elementary school teachers, bad computer programmers, bad librarians... you'll always find a few of every walk of life that are just bad apples who want to stir up the pot and try to ruin things for everyone else.

If we don't let idiotic stereotypes destroy our perception of our fellow human beings, we'll all be a lot better off.
 

Ok, I'm sorry.

The urinating on the Koran was a bit much but it was more a jab at all the people who made such a big deal out the supposed urination at the detention camp in cuba. Which really didn't happen... They rioted in afganistan about that one. Talk about an overeaction.

Anyways, I have weeds in my backyard that are much more worthy.

Just like the bible, there is a lot a hatefull drivel in the Koran. Don't give damn about either one. I already said you can't read either one word for word. It's an overall guide. But people on both sides have twisted them. I bet a lot of you guys think I am a christain fundimentalist yelling from the pulpit. Far from the truth. Want to guess??

I really don't hate muslims. I don't care that many of the countries they are from have the land or the oil. I just don't like that the world has to depend on a fuel source that comes from a region of such strife. If it wasn't for the oil then the US probably wouldn't give a damn. Just take a look at Africa. We have thrown money and aid at the problem and hoped for the best. It's an area of poverty and oppression but what the hell have we done? In the middle east the US has sat idle and let these government oppress thier people. US policiy was that wanted the oil so we sacrificed our ideals in the name of stability.

We went to war in bosnia to stop that crap. We waited far too long though. Too many people died before we acted. Genocide is bad for anyone.

You can ban me again if you like... I will tone things down from now on. Really wasn't trying to piss anyone off. I just wanted to say that you guys really took most of what I said the wrong way. I really just want to know why the middle east doesn't like us soo much. Hell we keep most of thier economies afloat buying the oil. I asked why but just got an answer in the form of a question.
 

Originally posted by: commOdog
CAIR on al jazeerah

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.aljazeerah.info/News%20archives/2005%20News%20Archives/July/14%20n/CAIR%20to%20Release%20TV%20Ad,%20'Not%20in%20the%20Name%20of%20Islam',%20PSA%20Says%20Terrorism%20Violates%20Faith.htm">
CAIR to Release TV Ad, 'Not in the Name of Islam',</a>

Wow. that's pretty cool. Good news.
 

Mucker

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Originally posted by: AStar617
Originally posted by: Mucker
Anandtech really needs another forum category labeled "My religion is better than yours" and the OP's post would be more appropriate there. You can also get free reading material from the Catholics, Mormons, Jehovas, Jews, etc., etc.....if you care to take a visit to one of their establishments. So, really not a very hot deal at all. What was the real reason you posted here OP? To raise ire?

It's about time we all start working with each other instead of against......

m
Wow dude, calm down. I'm a Christian American, born and raised (yes, it's ironic that I have an Arabic name). I just happen to be interested in other ways of thought than that which I was never exposed to when young. I posted here to give others who might be interested in the same thing a chance to read an important piece of literature, if nothing else.

I respect your reply and I offer an apology. I think everyone is alot tired of all the religious bickering, I know I am. We really need to act with urgency in finding ways of stamping out extremism in all religions.....

m
 

mscdex0

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Originally posted by: allisolm
Originally posted by: Banana
IIRC, religious hot deals are a no-no.

The posting of religious hot deals is not a problem. Unfortunately, the idiotic comments that follow usually result in the locking of the threads. edit: See posts by figfiddle and smurfmods for prime examples.

From the rules:
"What about COURTESY?

No thread crapping. If the subject matter of a deal does not interest you, do not post negative comments about it, or about other members, in the thread.

Possibly the worst examples we have had of this have been in posts for free religious items, such as bibles, etc. If you want to discuss religion, or any other such non-computer topic, do it in our Off Topic forum. The discussions in that forum cover a wide range of topics, but needless flaming and rude, mean-spirited posts are not welcome there, either. "

All that is easier said than done. Don't tell me that for any hot deal on a religious item here on AT won't have someone that veers the topic into a political/religious discussion not appropriate for the ATHD forum. It always happens, and people aren't going to continue it in another forum, they just keep using the thread in ATHD.

Only real way to stop that from happening is to stop posting "hot deals" on religious items.
 

Jave

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I have about 6 different copies of Bible, which various people gave to me in school or just in the street. I keep them because I consider it extremely disrespectful to throw them in the trash or do some other thing. Probably going to give it back to some Church when I leave.
I read Bible first time about 12 year ago just for curiosity and found more things in common between Bible and Quran than I ever imagined. It just makes me extremely sad that still to this day religous beliefs are being twisted by oppurtinists to harm others.
 

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Originally posted by: rivan
I'm interested in a free copy of the Qu'ran. Thanks OP!

The way I read the OP, there's no ulterior motive here... it's a free look at an important part of a culture that's not my own. Sadly, within the first few posts someone takes the opportunity to get bent and defend his right to close-mindedness.


I guess if you got the time, read up my friend. Understanding why Islamofacsist want to kill you leaves you dead just the same.


 

AStar617

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Originally posted by: Mucker
Originally posted by: AStar617
Originally posted by: Mucker
Anandtech really needs another forum category labeled "My religion is better than yours" and the OP's post would be more appropriate there. You can also get free reading material from the Catholics, Mormons, Jehovas, Jews, etc., etc.....if you care to take a visit to one of their establishments. So, really not a very hot deal at all. What was the real reason you posted here OP? To raise ire?

It's about time we all start working with each other instead of against......

m
Wow dude, calm down. I'm a Christian American, born and raised (yes, it's ironic that I have an Arabic name). I just happen to be interested in other ways of thought than that which I was never exposed to when young. I posted here to give others who might be interested in the same thing a chance to read an important piece of literature, if nothing else.

I respect your reply and I offer an apology. I think everyone is alot tired of all the religious bickering, I know I am. We really need to act with urgency in finding ways of stamping out extremism in all religions.....

m
100% accepted, no harm no foul. Part of the way to stamp out extremism in our OWN religions is to recognize when our own misinterpretation of others' beliefs causes us to act irresponsibly towards them or stereotype them. To that end, simply reading the book is a very good start towards gaining a greater knowledge of them as a people, and might even provide some good insight into other aspects of life. As many have pointed out already, there are apparently much greater similarities between Islam and Judaism/Christianity than one might think on the surface.

Thanks to the mods for removing the "undesirables" as well. This was not intended to be a flamebait thread. I actually was looking for free bound hardcopies of the sacred texts from every major religion, but this was the only one I found so far. I figured everyone could get their hands on a Bible in the States so I didn't bother posting a link to that... and unfortunately I haven't found the Four Vedas of Hinduism or any of the key Buddist texts yet.

 

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doesn't this count as proselytizing:? isn't advertising not ok in hot deals?

The Golden Age of Islam is a Myth
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=4626
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html
http://jihadwatch.org/
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/index.htm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ibn_al-rawandi/review.html
http://jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf15.html
http://www.a-voice.org/discern/islam.htm#jews
http://www.answeringislam.org/NonMuslims/rights.htm
http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=13123

there is no real room for interpretation in islam. it was the word of god through mohammed. not some diciple scribbing away some time after like in others. you cannot argue with the literal word of god. and the words of god in islam is quite ugly. not to mention mohammed was not just the prophet, but leader of state and war. dangerously mixing religion/military/state from day one. the extremists will always have a concrete case. and any moderates(aka bad muslims) will spend their time desperately grasping at straws trying to explain away absurdities of the scripture.



theres also the idea of apostates, that one cannot have freedom of conscience with islam. if you convert or are converted or simply give up the religion, you are an apostate. and as such, an extremist will have the right to kill you.
 

bf1942

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Great Links
this kinda sums up the difference's well

Conclusion

This study shows us that non-Muslims are not regarded as citizens by any Islamic state, even if they are original natives of the land. To say otherwise is to conceal the truth. Justice and equality require that any Christian Pakistani, Melanesian, Turk, or Arab be treated as any other citizen of his own country. He deserves to enjoy the same privileges of citizenship regardless of religious affiliation. To claim that Islam is the true religion and to accuse other religions of infidelity is a social, religious and legal offense against the People of the Book.

Christians believe that their religion is the true religion of God and Islam is not. Does that mean that Great Britain, which is headed by a Queen, the head of the Anglican Church, should treat its Muslim subjects as a second class? Moreover, why do Muslims in the West enjoy all freedoms allotted to all citizens of these lands, while Muslim countries do not allow native Christians the same freedom? Muslims in the West build mosques, schools, and educational centers and have access to the media without any restriction. They publicly advertise their activities and are allowed to distribute their Islamic materials freely, while native Christians of any Islamic country are not allowed to do so. Why are Christians in the West allowed to embrace any religion they wish without persecution while a person who chooses to convert to another religion in any Islamic country, is considered an apostate and must be killed if he persists in his apostasy? These questions and others are left for readers to ponder.
 
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