Free!!!! DVDShrink: Alternative to Dvd2One

[jasonroehm]

What is this CCE program that you guys are talking about?

 

[MustISO]

CEE is the sh!t. It's a very pricey MPEG2 encoder. Where the cheaper/faster programs are just tossing out information to shrink the movie, CCE actually re-encodes to a min/max/average bitrate. It's re-encoding the movie with perfect quality (assuming you use a decent bitrate). Some movies will use a constant bitrate because they can and they have the room. CCE ecodes with bitrates where they're needed. Excellent program and excellent results.
I've used all the others out there but for quality CCE is it.

 

[FPSguy]

Will this program create files small enough for CDs (or can the files be split up onto multiple CDs and then be played on a DVD player that reads CDs)?

 

[ICR5]

Originally posted by: FPSguy
Will this program create files small enough for CDs (or can the files be split up onto multiple CDs and then be played on a DVD player that reads CDs)?

Im afraid not.. i wont fit on CD-R nor it gives you the option to create multiple CD's either, strictly DVD media.

 

[ICR5]

update on this program, DVDshrink v1.03 now available .. revised for some bugs so they say.. here is the link on the update:

v1.03 revised details

 

[sk3tch]

Originally posted by: MustISO
Where the cheaper/faster programs are just tossing out information to shrink the movie, CCE actually re-encodes to a min/max/average bitrate. It's re-encoding the movie with perfect quality (assuming you use a decent bitrate).

Sorry, this just isn't true - any time you are re-encoding to a smaller size than the source it is NEVER perfect quality. It may be near-perfect...but you always lose quality during the re-encoding process.

 

[Snyder81]

Where can I download CCE? And why the heck does it cost 2,000? Do professional studios use it or what?

 

[killerhb]

Originally posted by: ICR5
update on this program, DVDshrink v1.03 now available .. revised for some bugs so they say.. here is the link on the update:

v1.03 revised details

Thanks for the update! 8 levels of encoding!

 

[sk3tch]

Wow...did a test run with DVD Shrink 1.03...just terrible. Quality is no where near DVD2One's (using v1.1.1 of DVD2One) results. Sure this is free...but it definitely is just an "alternative" versus a replacement for DVD2One. Pinnacle InstantCopy (7.01.114) was also better than DVD Shrink 1.03 quality-wise.

For free it is decent I suppose...but do a few test runs on your hard drive to make sure you like the results. I wasn't happy with my DVD9 to DVD5 shrink, and the size was 4.33GB. I even removed the spanish/french soundtracks to give more space for video quality...

 

[sk3tch]

I must add though...on the positive side - I really love DVD Shrink's interface and feature-set...really nice, especially for a free app. DVD2One 1.1.2 is out and apparently they've added some of the goodies we've all been asking for (i.e. removing audio tracks in full disc copy mode), but DVD Shrink has a nicer interface and more features than DVD2One. Just too bad about the quality...yeesh. These two guys should get together and combine DVD Shrink's interface with DVD2One's re-encoding engine.

 

[krackato]

Those thinking that DVD95copy, DVD2one, or DVDshrink can touch Instant Copy when it comes to quality definetly need to download this file and judge for yourself.

http://www.mrbass.org/instantcopy/gladeheateher.zip

I think it's pretty obvious (and I can confirm with my own tests) that Instant Copy is the clear leader when it comes to quality. CCE may be ever so slightly better, but it costs $2,000, and even if you don't care that it costs $2,000 cause you're just going to warez it, frankly I'm way too lazy to learn how to use another program when Instant Copy gives a fantastic image and costs $20 after rebate.

Instant Copy is a slower than the other programs, but hey. You know what they say. Quality or Speed. Choose one.

 

[cheapoldbastard]

Just thought I 'd mention that CCE has just released a new CCE Base it's $50, same encoding engine less bells and whistles.
For the guy asking about puttng the movie on CD, if your DVD player can reade XVCDs try encoding it with TMPGenc Most movies under 2 hours can be splitt between 2 CDs.
With the right settings and a good source you can get remarkable results

 

[SpongeBobPalmBay]

Originally posted by: Cybordolphin
Hmmmm..... "decent" quality. I guess that is the key. Do any of these render acceptable quality movies?

dvd2one is great...

 

[SpongeBobPalmBay]

That was pretty cool...

I really coundn't tell a difference though... they all looked pretty good.

Originally posted by: krackato
Those thinking that DVD95copy, DVD2one, or DVDshrink can touch Instant Copy when it comes to quality definetly need to download this file and judge for yourself.

http://www.mrbass.org/instantcopy/gladeheateher.zip

I think it's pretty obvious (and I can confirm with my own tests) that Instant Copy is the clear leader when it comes to quality. CCE may be ever so slightly better, but it costs $2,000, and even if you don't care that it costs $2,000 cause you're just going to warez it, frankly I'm way too lazy to learn how to use another program when Instant Copy gives a fantastic image and costs $20 after rebate.

Instant Copy is a slower than the other programs, but hey. You know what they say. Quality or Speed. Choose one.

 

[mrbass]

For those attempting to use dvdshrink I'd suggest sticking with Level 0, 1, or 2. Once you go above that it'll start compressing P and I picutres (GOP = Group of Pictures B, P, I). You'll be happy with the results.

I only do main movie only, keep all subs, and only keep English 5.1 and lose the rest of the audio most of the time. If you *can not* get it to do level 2 and it'll require level 3 or above. I'd suggest choosing Level 0 and let it process then feed that to instant copy.

I've done dvd2one vs dvdshrink comparsions dvdshrink_dvd2one_pics.zipand it's kinda a toss up. DVD2ONE tends to blur out detail which sometimes hides artifacts and other times dvdshrink keeps detail but not as smooth....really whatever floats your boat. If you do level 3 then your wasting your time as it's clearly inferior to just about anything.
dvdshrink guide

1.03 has 8 levels of compression.......like I said only do level 0 = no compression or levels 1 or 2.

 

[sk3tch]

Well, I think the main point of DVD Shrink is to compress the DVD...not sit there and just copy the files off. For that, better to use DVD Decrypter and then use Instant Copy or whatever app floats your boat.

If you really care about quality, then obviously none of these apps are applicable...you should be hacking your own DVD splits using IFOEdit or you can use the "set-it-and-forget it" DVDXCopy which splits the DVD into two discs at full quality, with no recompression.

With Ritek G03's and other DVD-R standby's prices going up and up I've been more and more into these DVD9 to DVD5 tools. Back when I could buy a spindle of Ritek G03's for $80 shipped I didn't mind using 2 DVD-Rs for a dual layer movie...but now we have Ritek G03's averaging $115 or more a 100 spindle...blech.

 

[wasssup]

Instant Copy is a slower than the other programs, but hey. You know what they say. Quality or Speed. Choose one.

The same motto can be said about those of us with anorexic civics and such

 

[SimMike2]

Instant Copy is a slower than the other programs, but hey. You know what they say. Quality or Speed. Choose one.

I have used both Instant Copy and Dvd2one, which is similar to DVDshrink. Instant copy is about 10 times slower and the quality is definitely worse. So much for the quality vs speed argument. After seeing the Instant Copy mangled results of longer movie with severe MPEG artifacts, I won't ever use the program again, even though I own a copy.

 

[Tung]

DVD2ONe is better

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: SimMike2

Instant Copy is a slower than the other programs, but hey. You know what they say. Quality or Speed. Choose one.

I have used both Instant Copy and Dvd2one, which is similar to DVDshrink. Instant copy is about 10 times slower and the quality is definitely worse. So much for the quality vs speed argument. After seeing the Instant Copy mangled results of longer movie with severe MPEG artifacts, I won't ever use the program again, even though I own a copy.

Go to doom9.org and educate yourself. People more knowledgable than you have done tests and Instantcopy when used CORRECTLY produces results way better than dvd2one.

Is it worth the time if you are just going from 5gig down to 4.37gig? No but if you need to compress anything more than 5.5gigs then DVD2one does not have good results. Instantcopy isn't a transcoder. It is actually an encoder. DVD2one can only throw away data where Instantcopy can compress the data to preserve the image more.

That is why instantcopy is so much slower. I am willing to wait 1.5 hours for instantcopy to work its magic compared to 20 minutes for DVD2one.

 

[Pinan]

I've had excellent luck with DVD2One myself, even with longer movies (6-8GB). Considering I watch them on a new 64" Pioneer, that's saying quite a bit. Typically, the only places that I see degradation are in high contrast areas such as dark night scenes with clouds. Daylight scenes are basically flawless, and I'm a picky ah heck.

I use DVD Decrypter to rip, and Nero and also Gear Pro to burn.

I will be trying Instantcopy though, as I'm always willing to experiment. I'm curious if Instantcopy allows the removal of menus, etc., as DVD2One does. I absolutely love that feature! I watch a movie for the movie and not the superfluous content that is thrust upon us these days.

 

[LouPoir]

Free

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Pinan
I've had excellent luck with DVD2One myself, even with longer movies (6-8GB). Considering I watch them on a new 64" Pioneer, that's saying quite a bit. Typically, the only places that I see degradation are in high contrast areas such as dark night scenes with clouds. Daylight scenes are basically flawless, and I'm a picky ah heck. I use DVD Decrypter to rip, and Nero and also Gear Pro to burn. I will be trying Instantcopy though, as I'm always willing to experiment. I'm curious if Instantcopy allows the removal of menus, etc., as DVD2One does. I absolutely love that feature! I watch a movie for the movie and not the superfluous content that is thrust upon us these days.

Well if you read around you will see that Instantcopy has its share of bugs. One of the most annoying bugs is the undersizing issue. You can do move only copies if you want with instantcopy.

Here is how I process movies.....

I use DVD Shrink to remove extras, audio, subtitles I don't want. Along with that I can remove end credits if I want. I don't use any compression with DVD Shrink. After DVD Shrink has removed everything I send it through instantcopy.

I like DVD Shrink so much now because it makes editing the content and structure of the DVD so easy. No need for IFOedit.

Like I said earlier, anything under 5.5gigs, you probably won't see that much difference between DVD2One and Instantcopy. I just know that when I backed up Band of Brothers which has 6.5-7gigs on each disk, DVD2one was not acceptable. It has lots of blockiness.

Another thing to consider is that DVD2One isn't very consistent throughout a movie. Some parts might look awesome and 5 minutes later have extreme blockiness. The reason is because DVD2One goes for so much speed. It doesn't make rational choices all the time about where to remove data.

 

[ams30gts]

not bad for free, but dvd2one works great for me already. dvd decryptor works best for making exact images of dvds under 4.2-4.3 gigs. havent really tried anything else.

 

[Pinan]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

I use DVD Shrink to remove extras, audio, subtitles I don't want. Along with that I can remove end credits if I want. I don't use any compression with DVD Shrink. After DVD Shrink has removed everything I send it through instantcopy.

Another thing to consider is that DVD2One isn't very consistent throughout a movie...........

1. Ahhhhh. Thanks for the info. Unfortunately, DVD Shrink does not like my system (WIn2K/ P4 2.4). It freezes on the Cropping step, as well as the "analyze" step. Sigh.

2. Consistency has not been an issue with me, other than high contrast areas as I mentioned above. Considering the ease and speed of this program a small downside is to be expected I suppose.

If I can get DVD Shrink to work I'll give your method a shot. Thanks again.

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Edit:

Seems to work fine if I get the files right from a DVD, and not if I use ripped files. It's a start.