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TheVirginian

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White coat on:


some replies: "It depends on the antibiotic and the person who is taking it. "

no, actually is depends on the bacteria. Either it is sensitive to it or not. Unfortunately, we are developing more antibiotic resistant bacteria. More infections have to be evaluated on a case by case process.

"Justincase is correct about milk...it DOES NOT DO A BODY GOOD. I cant believe that people here in the USA are not informed of this fact"

I am a physician. How much more "informed" do I have to be?? Both my girls on milk and dairy extensively - only 1 ear infection between the 2 of them in 4 years. So what is it, they drink special milk? I don't think so. Genetic factors (eustachian tube dysfunction, Down's syndrome, mid face deformities, cleft palate), using a bottle (sucking), cigarette smoke, and COMMON UPPER RESPIRATORY INFECTIONS are the main causes. - Well established, children in daycare and schools at much higher risk than those cared or at home.


"Go somewhere and look for EAR CANDLES"

This is actually a fraud. Consumer reports did a trial on this. The process of lighting the wax itself causes changes that LOOK like ear wax is removed. It really does not. You can have totally clean ears, but using this silly thing will come out yellow colored. Besides, EXTERNAL canal problems do not create MIDDLE ear problems unless you have a perforated tympanic membrane.


Lastly, this kit is there to get parents to ask for Augmentin, when proper doses of amoxicillin will work just as well (90 mg/kg/day) at a FRACTION of the cost.

White coat off. Lecture is over. Thanks everyone.


 

Huggies

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Where do you find a ear candle? That sounds pretty whack but if it works I'd be willing to try one, but where can I get it?
 

SoundBoy

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Recurring ear infections can interfere with hearing and language acquisition. As there is a critical period for learning your native tongue, keep your kids ears healthy.
 

Fritzo

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<< Where do you find a ear candle? That sounds pretty whack but if it works I'd be willing to try one, but where can I get it? >>




I once didn't clean my ears for a month and made an ear wax candle.
 

Dufusyte

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To the MD's posting in this thread:

Contemporary medicine is merely the pawn of pharmaceutical companies and other big business; your purpose is to sell their products, whether you realize that or not. The companies which buy advertizing in the medical journals are the ones who dictate what the results of the "studies" will be, and they dictate what studies will and will not be published.

There are various simple, inexpensive, and effective "folk remedies" which these companies cannot allow to become widely accepted, because if people can stay healthy via simple means, no one will buy expensive exotic drugs and treatments.

Anything that has been widely done for centuries has stood the test of time, and should be taken seriously. Things like nasal irrigation (India) and ear candles (American Indian) are simple practices that are very effective. If you MD's have read contrary studies, it is because business interests make sure that negative studies are printed. As you should be aware, it is possible to rig any study. I hope you are not so naive as to think this does not actually occur.

As for milk/dairy, I repeat, if people have been doing something throughout the centuries and throughout the globe, there is merit to it. Dairy products from normal cows have been a staple of human diet since time began. Be sure to take a glass of wine with your cheese so that you do not get osteoporosis. Ever hear the phrase "wine and cheese"? There is a reason the two are consumed together!

All things in moderation. As mentioned previously, modern dairy is bad because modern cows are pumped up on freaky stuffozoids.
 

Justincase

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>>>There are various simple, inexpensive, and effective "folk remedies" which these companies cannot allow to become widely accepted, because if people can stay healthy via simple means, no one will buy expensive exotic drugs and treatments.<<<

Very true. And there is another reason: you can't patent something as simple as St. John's Wort for depression or Valerian for insomnia, or Vitamin C to prevent a cold, or Glutathione and other nutrients for the treament of what is [erroneously] called AIDS...therefore, there is no financial incentive for these simple and effective treatments. Furthermore, the average doctor only receives an average of 14 hours of nutritional education in their many years of medical training [indoctrination], and therefore does not have an adequate background in this field.

As for doctors; well, as demonstrated above, most of them go around thinking they're little dieties that know everything [i.e.: 'I am a physician. How much more informed do I have to be?']; there isn't much you can say to someone with a closed mind that resists any re-education...they believe they are the authority on everything relating to the human body, when in fact, most of them are technicians that look at you in terms of body parts and not the whole person. Generally speaking, most doctors do not even read their own journals; ironically, the BEST PROOF of the EFFECTIVENESS of ALTERNATVE treatments can be found in THEIR OWN JOURNALS - JAMA, The Lancet, Cancer, The American Journal of Epidemiology, and so on.


Couple of comments to previous posters:

>>>How the HELL did this freebie turn into the debate of the century on cow's milk. Give me a freakin break!<<<

Discussion of this subject takes nothing away from the original 'deal.' People will discuss what is of interest to them. If this doesn't interest you, just ignore it and give us a freakin' break.


>>>Ear infections are a part of childhood, get one, take an antibiotic and get over it!<<<

The point is, it doesn't have to be a part of childhood...the rate of ear infections among vegan children is drastically lower than in dairy-consuming children [I am not a total vegan and am not making a judgement here; just stating facts]. With simple preventative measures, the likelihood of getting to the point of having to use an antibiotic or having tubes inserted in the ear, or surgery, is substantially reduced. Also, if you know anything about antibiotics, then you would know that with their overuse, they become less effective or even completely ineffective later in life when you may really need them.


>>>Since my kids don't drink or eat very many dairy products, I question the validity of the sites claims. I suppose your saying the surgery that my son has had twice for tubes was no good either.<<<

Best not to make assumptions; I don't think anyone here said that. And of course, ANY procedure will show some efficacy for some people. The difference is that with conventional, non-emergency medical treatments, there is usually a price (and I don't mean just financial).


>>>"Go somewhere and look for EAR CANDLES"
This is actually a fraud. Consumer reports did a trial on this.<<<


Consumer Reports does a very fine job of comparing cars, TVs and other gadgets. But from what I have seen, they don't have a clue when it comes to anything medically or nutritionally related. Consumers Union is far from being an authority on the subject, and would better serve the public by sticking to what they excel at.

I agree with the effectiveness of time-proven remedies such as ear candling when properly administered and use of a neti pot for nasal irrigiation (the neti thread here was one of the funniest threads ever).

That price of $1.00 each on the ear candles is very good, but they are somewhat shorter than the Wally's ear candles in my health food store.
 

NightShadow

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Hey - thanks for the great source for ear candles! I've been paying $2.50 each at the local health food store. Just ordered 2 dozen in at $1 each. No shipping charge.

I don't give a flying f*ck what traditional medicine says - I know what works for me & my three sons. Breastmilk = good, cow's milk after age 2=ok, I guess, ear candles = great remedy for ringing in ears!

I recently helped fund our doc into his own practice - no where near as expensive as you'd think to set up a private practice. Now he's actually talking to some of his patients about "alternative" medicine techniques when he's run out of "mainstream" medicine options. Darn good doc, too.
 

Justincase

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Hehe. I just noticed that a minute ago when I did a Google search for 'ear candles'. Steven Barrett and Quackwatch are about to be sued for the misinformation they present

My motto is: if it's on Quackwatch, then it MUST be good...they have been wrong repeatedly, and they are finally going to get what they deserve
 

donMosca

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<< My motto is: if it's on Quackwatch, then it must be good. >>



Or don't confuse me with the facts?
Anybody can sue (or threaten to sue) anybody, it is the merits of the case that counts.
 

Justincase

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>>>Or don't confuse me with the facts?<<<

Well of course the facts matter, and Quackwatch distorts the facts all the time.


>>>Anybody can sue (or threaten to sue) anybody, it is the merits of the case that counts.<<<

It sure is! Without getting into details - the person bringing the suit has won similar suits against Dr. Dean Edell and WABC, and others, and has never lost in court.
 

donMosca

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<< Without getting into details >>



Did those last candles create a bigger vacuum than intended?
 

Justincase

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>>>Did those last candles create a bigger vacuum than intended?<<<

???? That's very mature of you.

I have never used an ear candle personally.
 

bhess

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I have to reply to the ear candle debate. I've worked as an aviation mechanic for 15 years. During those years I always use ear plugs. The yellow ones that you roll with your fingers. My fingers are often not very clean when rolling them up before I stick them in my ear. I have never once had an ear infection in all those years except for a time when my mother-in-law used one of those ear candles on me. It seems to me (non doc) that maybe that stuff is supposed to be in there?
Besides as someone stated above they could not help inner ear infections at all.
 

Dufusyte

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bhess, at least it proves that the ear candle "did something." It's nice to know they have a real impact on one's ears.

I humbly submit that you are an atypical case, using dirty ear plugs on a regular basis.

I guess the moral of the story is that if you use dirty ear plugs, its better to leave your ears clogged up to block the dirt out. But if you are not a regular dirty ear plug user, then using an ear candle can be an effective way to clear your ears out.
 

Davak

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As MDs go, I've always felt I was pretty liberal.
I've helped several pharm people with research
regarding "herbal" treatments.

Equally, I think it's a bit sad that one would feel
that ALL doctors are into procedures and not
into whole body care. I actually enjoy talking
to my patients.

I cared enough to go searching through the medical literature
in order to try to help people. Heck, I even suggested
how one might save a little money... Augmentin vs amox.
I just stated the science of the matter and couldn't personally
care less if one feeds his/her kid milk or not.

I surely didn't start mass stereotyping and insulting... as
obviously others have.

I was trying to be nice... but will be glad to resume lurker mode.

DK, M.D.

 

Justincase

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Hey Davak: I hope you didn't take personal offense at my post - I wasn't referring to you at all; I was referring to that other 'doctor'...and I certainly don't mean to imply that *all* conventional doctors are bad; many are just doing the best job that they can within the limitations of their training; much of the blame for the current sorry state of medicine in this country can be placed on the way doctors are still being trained. When one travels to other countries and is exposed to various modalities, one can really appreciate how narrow-minded our own system is. We spend $3 trillion dollars on medical treatments every year, and yet as a nation, we are more obese and chronically ill than at any time in our history...clearly, there is something wrong with the way medicine is being practiced in this country. There are of course, some doctors that treat the whole person, holistically, but they currently number about 1,000 out of 660,000 or so doctors in the US.
 

VisionsUCI

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Jokersmoker.. thanks again for the nice freebie. you might want to edit the title to say

Free Ear Infection *Info* Kit and Magnet

I was looking for something to get rid of ear infections
 

exisle

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I get ear infections all the time, when I was a kid they had to put tubes in my ears to prevent them, thanks a lot
 

Davak

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Justincase:

Nice try.

You are quotes highlighted with >>> below...

>>>narrow-minded our own system is.

Nice backhanded comment. Don't insult me... just my profession. Nice.

>>>we are more obese and chronically ill than at any time in our history

We are more chronically ill because we do a better job keeping people with
chronic illnesses alive much longer.

>>>There are of course, some doctors that treat the whole person, holistically, but they currently number about 1,000 out of 660,000 >>>or so doctors in the US.

You don't believe me when I quote respected medical research directly...
however, I am sure everybody will believe your mystical figures. Whatever.

DK, M.D.
 
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