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ValsalvaYourHeartOut

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I'm reluctant to comment on the nature of this free bible "deal," but I feel that I must warn people that giving your name, address, and other contact information to this site is essentially a sure-fire way to get bombarded with religious spam. If you really stop to think about it, there is only ONE plausible reason why anyone would give out free bibles -- it's because they feel as though it's God's command to spread the name of Jesus and the Other 2/3 of the Trinity. In doing so, they will do everything they can to reel you in once you bite the bait.

This excerpt from the website illustrates my point: "Representatives in your area would like to deliver your copy of the Holy Bible and share a message about how the teachings of Jesus Christ have helped individuals and families find greater happiness. Their visit will last about an hour." Even if you decline to have these people come harrass you, they still ask for your phone number. If all they want to do is give you a free bible, then why would they need your phone number???? Think about it.

It is in the nature of these people to try to assimilate you into their faith, just like the Borg on Star Trek. They believe they have been commanded by God to convert as many people as they can, and they believe that this is their sworn duty. Therefore, I feel that unsuspecting people must be warned not to give out their contact information (address, phone number) to the organizations that masquerade as distributors of free bibles. Just as companies giving out freebies have alterior motives (i.e. "get the name out), so do these Christian people -- except instead of receiving free product literature, you'll be receiving a knock on your door, a barrage of e-mail, and a mailbox stuffed full of Jesus paraphanalia.

If you think it's annoying to have MCI and Sprint calling you up to switch LD companies, imagine how annoying it must be to have these religious zealots calling you up to switch religious. ...or worse, two young men dressed in suits who knock on your door on Sunday morning (unless, of course, you're into that kinda stuff, wink wink).

What I've liked best about Anandtech is how the community supports one another, and how we will go to great lengths to offer advice, share our hot deals with one another, and warn our peers when a potential hot deal could ultimately turn out to be a scam. In this case, I hope that people will read this and realize that what you're getting is not just a free bible, but the potential for a lot of harrassment by phone, mail, e-mail, and at your door. I hope that by pointing out the religious fervor of these individuals, along with their perseverance in recruiting new people into their collective, this should serve as sufficient warning to people who do NOT appreciate being harrassed by any of the aforementioned mediums (phone, mail, in person, etc.).

I will further debate that free bible posts should NOT be allowed on Anandtech Hot Deals for the following reasons:
1) giving out contact information to "free bible" sites puts the individual at HIGH RISK for e-mail spam, phone harrassment, and unwanted visits, much more so than any other site due to previously mentioned reasons
2) This is NOT a hot deal for ANYONE. Why? Because people who are religious already have a bible! ...and those who do not (for some reason) know EXACTLY where to get one for free and do not need anyone on anandtech to tell them how. ...and people who are NOT religious see this bible-dissemination as just another way for Christians to assimilate people into their collective. Thus, this is NOT a hot deal.
3) It seems like every 2-3 weeks, someone posts a link to yet another site with a free bible. These offers are a dime a dozen -- these sites are ubiquitious, and you don't need someone on AT to tell you of their existence. It's like those monkeys who would remind us of the "Friday Sale" at Amazon.com EVERY FRIDAY... I think it's insulting to the intelligent people of AT, to be honest.

This has not been designed as a religious debate, and I have tried very hard to adhere to the forum rules on only posting remarks that contribute to the deal or point out when the deal could actually turn sour. I think deals for unique items related to religious are wonderful and should be encouraged, but "free bible" deals are not hot and only serve to foster the agenda of the Christians seeking to spread their faith. I hope the mods and admin of AT take this into consideration, and I also hope that people are VERY VERY careful when signing up for this deal.

Valsalva
 

DealMonkey

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I totally agree with Valsalva by the way, but notice how he was able to constructively comment on this "hot deal" without unnecessarily offending anyone. Good job. Anyone who's offended by what he had to say is being overly sensitive.

Overall, I have to say these "Free Holy Bible" threads are either (A) Flamebait, or (B) A veiled attempt to proselytize in a forum that's really intended for computer or high-tech gear. For those in the forum who are already religious, they without a doubt, already own a bible.

Bottom line, a deal of this nature may result in a lot of unsolicited mail, e-mail, phone calls or maybe even physical visits. I've passed on quite a few non-religious freebies and deals in this forum before because I was concerned about that sort of thing happening.

-DM
 

pkypkypky

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Apr 18, 2001
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for ppl who don't want this to be a super hot deal that is has become, why don't u just not bump it consistently with unncessary comments. It's as simple as that.

free keychains, t-shirts, small coupons usually are not as valuable to some as a free bible. A large portion of those do not even come while our inbox litters with spam. We all by now know the risks of asking for something free online. Religious items in my opinion are often more legit in their promises to send. I've participated in a few and found some to be good reads. As probably most of us have a good amount of t-shirts and keychains and pens, religious ppl likely have more than one bible. If they want another one to have around to check out another version or to lend to someone who might want it, let them be the ones who enjoy the freebie.

Those who don't own dogs probably won't care for free dog food/treat samples, and can bypass clicking on those deals. So why can't the anti-religion posters just the accept new rule stand and respect those who obviously are finding a use for it. It's not fair to try to put a ban on only religious items just because some ppl can't accept it and let it be.
 

dragonlord2112

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All I can say is that Valsalva stated every feeling I have about this "deal" in a LOT nicer fashion than I would have. Anyways, I think his argument is very fair and just. Good work Valsalva.

 

breweyez

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<< So why can't the anti-religion posters just the accept new rule stand and respect those who obviously are finding a use for it. >>



well said
 

ValsalvaYourHeartOut

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<< Those who don't own dogs probably won't care for free dog food/treat samples, and can bypass clicking on those deals. So why can't the anti-religion posters just the accept new rule stand and respect those who obviously are finding a use for it. It's not fair to try to put a ban on only religious items just because some ppl can't accept it and let it be. >>



Unfortunately, this is a very poor counterargument. Companies that offer free dog food/treats, for example, were not commanded by Jesus N Pals to convert dog owners to their brand, or else suffer the consequences in hell. If they WERE, I can guarantee you that said dog food company would be harrassing you through by phone and e-mail, and might even knock on your door on Sunday to teach you about Scruffy, their spiritual dog food leader, etc. In this case, the dog food sample would be a COLD deal, and I would feel obliged to warn people of the consequences of giving them your contact info.
** This is exactly what makes the free bible deals DIFFERENT from other freebie deals (like jellybeans and keychains). When was the last time you were harrassed in public to convert all your keychains to another mfr?? Exactly! I encourage you to read my original post with an open mind, rather than approach it with the attitude that "bibles must be good because my minister told me so, therefore they MUST be a hot deal."

Valsalva
 

Crucial

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Why must you post your thoughts as to why you think these deals shouldn't be posted. Everyone knows that giving out their info opens them up to spam. They don't need you to repeatedly warn them about it.

If you don't agree with the hotness of a deal. don't click the link and MOVE ON. Why is that so hard to do? Why must you try and push everyone away from these deals.

The powers that be at Anandtech have deemed these acceptable. Why can't you just accept that and skip the posts?
 

Trevelyan

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Thanks for the hot deal!

And just to say, Valsalva, if you want to talk about your opinion over whether or not free Bibles should be considered hot deals based on the stereotypes you personally have towards those who follow Jesus, take it to off topic. You might insult someone here with your "Jesus N Pals" and comparing Christians to "the Borg on Star Trek" comments.

And the risk of spam is nearly always present with free online giveaways. It's just something you need to watch out for, and you DO have every right to point it out for this particular case, just watch your generalizations towards all deals religious, since you cannot claim you know the "secret motive" of every company/church/organization that gives out a free Bible.
 

breweyez

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Valsalva is just a jerk folks. He doesnt understand that this forum is hot deals. He should be taking his soapbox to off topic, but he would rather be a jerk here.
 

Shaftatplanetquake

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Valsalva has it all right on the money. He backs up his clever arguments in a way that is logical and refreshing. Those who argue against him thow out pathetic jibber jabber. Christians are exactly like the borg, trying to assimilate all that they can. I have made this comparison myself. Also let me re-stress that christians actually believe it is their duty to bug the hell out of you until you succumb to their way of thinking. They feel it is their duty to hound you and harrass you until you are one of them.
 

ss284

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<< I will further debate that free bible posts should NOT be allowed on Anandtech Hot Deals for the following reasons:
2) This is NOT a hot deal for ANYONE. Why? Because people who are religious already have a bible! ...and those who do not (for some reason) know EXACTLY where to get one for free and do not need anyone on anandtech to tell them how. ...and people who are NOT religious see this bible-dissemination as just another way for Christians to assimilate people into their collective. Thus, this is NOT a hot deal.
3) It seems like every 2-3 weeks, someone posts a link to yet another site with a free bible. These offers are a dime a dozen -- these sites are ubiquitious, and you don't need someone on AT to tell you of their existence. It's like those monkeys who would remind us of the "Friday Sale" at Amazon.com EVERY FRIDAY... I think it's insulting to the intelligent people of AT, to be honest.
>>



Aren't these 2 reasons good enough? Obviously threads like this will always attract negative attention.
What if someone offered a hot deal on abortion, like free pamphets, a book, etc etc. Would that be ok?
To people not of this religion, selling the bible is like selling a book that is filled with lies. I'm sure others who support this deal would feel differently if someone were to post a link to communist literature.
This hot deals forum isnt for contraversial topics like religion and politics.
-Steve
 

pkypkypky

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ss284....really



<< What if someone offered a hot deal on abortion >>



ok...first, endless offensive sterotypes, igorance & analogies and now a disgusting taste of words just because they can't help themselves allied front of flamers. Same type of flaming on most other posts, except taken too far on the religion topic. hope no one who had or knew someone who had to go through one took this stupid mark personally, since of course he somehow probably did not mean it. How far is this group of bible-haters willing to take this before they just let it go?
 

DealMonkey

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Maybe the mods should go back to locking these religious threads. Obviously, they're too controversial and too easily politicized...
 

ss284

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How is it a disgusting taste of words? Its just as contraversial as religion. Neither are hot deals.
Are you so blind you don't sense the sarcasm? And no. I'm not a bible hater.

But threads like this should be locked.
Bible haters will always be here, and they can express their feelings just as much as you can.

-Steve
 
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