Free Speech or Too Far?

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OWR88

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So the basket of deplorables need a safe space? Go back to the south and hide behind your confederate flag. Bunch of pussies.

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fskimospy

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Irrelevant

Are you joking? Do you know what the word irrelevant means?

You're saying he shouldn't be fired for his actions with the Central Park Five because the voters knew about it ahead of time and decided it didn't matter. It sure does matter if you're one of those people who voted for him. What you're saying in that case is what was a firing offense at CNN wouldn't be an offense that should keep a president from being hired. So once again we're back to you holding CNN to higher standards than the president.
 

Sea Ray

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nope, not the link, but the actual text, where I showed that ted nugent called for Obama and hillary to suck on his machine gun, no link reading needed, and you stated I didn't cite anyone famous then I cited your lack of reading comprehension, which appears to be, at this moment, accurate.

I referred to Nugent directly here:

In that example he was saying that if found guilty of treason that he should suffer the death penalty. He probably thinks everyone guilty of treason should be hung. I don't agree with him.

Ted Nugent does not regret anything he's said thus he hasn't apologized to anyone. I'd much rather KG do that than do a half assed apology designed to salvage her job.
 

Sea Ray

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Are you joking? Do you know what the word irrelevant means?

You're saying he shouldn't be fired for his actions with the Central Park Five because the voters knew about it ahead of time and decided it didn't matter. It sure does matter if you're one of those people who voted for him. What you're saying in that case is what was a firing offense at CNN wouldn't be an offense that should keep a president from being hired. So once again we're back to you holding CNN to higher standards than the president.

Enough people voted for him to get elected. It's irrelevant now. I know that frustrates you to no end. You've got another 3.5 yrs of him. Deal with it
 

fskimospy

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Enough people voted for him to get elected. It's irrelevant now. I know that frustrates you to no end. You've got another 3.5 yrs of him. Deal with it

Now you're resorting to childish attempts to bait me instead of answering an easy question. You can save yourself the trouble as it won't work. Did you vote for Trump or not? Your repeated evasions strongly indicate that you did.

I'm simply looking to see if you are 'applying consistent standards across the board' in the way that you claim to wish people on this board did. It appears likely that you are not.
 

Zaap

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it's tacky and tasteless, but meh. Don't really care.

There are a lot of supremely dumb Trump-haters who are happy to have found someone to hate politically who (for once) really IS either as dense, or denser than they are. So that level of glee at actually being 'right' on some level about a political opponent for once, is going to manifest itself in a lot of dumb ways.
 

UNCjigga

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Wow...reading the comments, I'm surprised (but not really) at the bitter division here. If something like this happened 10 years ago to Dubya, it would be universally condemned by most members here but for a few trolls.

While I agree that conservative commentators screaming faux outrage at the left over this image are a) disingenuous, hypocritical fucktards, and b) trying to project this as something ALL the left/liberals are "ok with"...the fact remains this image crosses the line of acceptability by ANY STANDARD and is an example of free speech that should not be tolerated. I'm not advocating censorship, other than what the free market is already taking care of (KG's lost at least 2 ad deals and her CNN job.)

Bottom line, free speech is all fine and dandy until said speech starts advocating violence against any group (based on race, color, religion, sexual orientation, yadda yadda...) and that includes advocating violence against specific individuals.
 

fskimospy

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not even in the same ballpark as holding up a gruesome bloody cut off head of a sitting president. the tit for tat bullshit you liberals do on this forum is really tiresome.

How about him calling for Obama and Clinton to be hung?
 

Jaskalas

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Bottom line, free speech is all fine and dandy until said speech starts advocating violence against any group (based on race, color, religion, sexual orientation, yadda yadda...) and that includes advocating violence against specific individuals.

Would hanging or burning effigies be any different than beheading them?
Or do they all advocate violence?
 

UNCjigga

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Would hanging or burning effigies be any different than beheading them?
Or do they all advocate violence?

Why would they be any different? Other than the shock value, perhaps? Same side of the same coin...But you gotta admit there's a different shock value for a photorealistic bloody head vs a muppet hanging from a noose.
 

agent00f

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So it's OK to do this if it's Trump? At least you admit to the hypocrisy here

Hypocrisy only applies under the same conditions, which is why I referred to the difference which everyone can see, including your sorts.
 

agent00f

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Wow...reading the comments, I'm surprised (but not really) at the bitter division here. If something like this happened 10 years ago to Dubya, it would be universally condemned by most members here but for a few trolls.

While I agree that conservative commentators screaming faux outrage at the left over this image are a) disingenuous, hypocritical fucktards, and b) trying to project this as something ALL the left/liberals are "ok with"...the fact remains this image crosses the line of acceptability by ANY STANDARD and is an example of free speech that should not be tolerated. I'm not advocating censorship, other than what the free market is already taking care of (KG's lost at least 2 ad deals and her CNN job.)

Bottom line, free speech is all fine and dandy until said speech starts advocating violence against any group (based on race, color, religion, sexual orientation, yadda yadda...) and that includes advocating violence against specific individuals.

Why shouldn't bad things happen to bad people? Seems rather poetic, and something even bad people believe in anyway.
 

Sea Ray

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Now you're resorting to childish attempts to bait me instead of answering an easy question. You can save yourself the trouble as it won't work. Did you vote for Trump or not? Your repeated evasions strongly indicate that you did.

I'm simply looking to see if you are 'applying consistent standards across the board' in the way that you claim to wish people on this board did. It appears likely that you are not.

Now you're resorting to childish attempts to bait me instead of answering an easy question. You can save yourself the trouble as it won't work. Did you vote for Trump or not? Your repeated evasions strongly indicate that you did.

I'm simply looking to see if you are 'applying consistent standards across the board' in the way that you claim to wish people on this board did. It appears likely that you are not.

You need a better analogy. This one doesn't fit. I understand you're struggling and all.

If you get hired for a new job in January and your employer knew full well about an incident you did in 2014, it would not be considered a fireable offense now.

I guess your take is that all Trump voters are hypocritical if they feel KG should be fired for this. That's a pathetic take on your part but that's on you.
 

Will Thatcher

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Everything you wrote after this, contradicted this.
Hi mate, freedom of speech is very important to me, but when you hurt someone with what you say, and not only in front of yourself, but in front of millions of other people, and through your opinion you can hurt the image of growing minds, such as Trump's kids, you need to give it a little thought before acting. I am only saying that this should have come from her, not someone else, but if it didn't there should be consequences to the actions of anyone. It is my freedom to do whatever I want, but that doesn't mean that if I hurt someone I shouldn't be held responsible for that.
 

Sea Ray

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why even ask that? is the comparison is equal to you? one was done so it makes the other ok? is that how you live your life?

It's the ol' bad behavior justifies other bad behavior line. It's tired and incorrect.
 

Sea Ray

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GW Bush was also burned in effigy. Where does this all stop? Just because an idiot does it to Obama and then we find a video of it happening to GW Bush. It's BS

What KG did was wrong and it has nothing to do with what happened to any past President

 

UglyCasanova

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free speech gone too far. Griffin should apologize directly to Trump and his family especially Trumps 11 year old son. what a horrible thing to see.


No such thing as free speech gone too far, drawing lines is a very slippery slope. Griffin is an idiot but so what, we're allowed to be that. The conservatives saying this shouldn't be allowed are just as wrong as the sjw's on college campuses tryin to silence speech they don't agree with.
 

fskimospy

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You need a better analogy. This one doesn't fit. I understand you're struggling and all.

If you get hired for a new job in January and your employer knew full well about an incident you did in 2014, it would not be considered a fireable offense now.

I guess your take is that all Trump voters are hypocritical if they feel KG should be fired for this. That's a pathetic take on your part but that's on you.

If your employer thought that certain behavior would merit firing you but was fully willing to hire someone who engaged in much worse behavior of the same type that would absolutely be hypocritical on their part.

This analogy fits just fine, you just don't want to confront your own hypocrisy. You think it's appropriate for Griffin to be fired from CNN for a job that is, in a national sense, meaningless, but have no problem with elevating someone to the most powerful position in the world who has engaged in far worse behavior of the same type. That's not logical. What you've really done is allow partisanship to pervert your moral compass.
 
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