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kmschwem

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C'mon, it's too cooooold to ride . The bike I'm riding this season doesn't go anywhere and is missing a wheel hehe.
 

Dx-treme

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maybe next summer i am gonna participate in one of those ride across the state ride AGAIN !!

nothing beats a weekfull of riding & sleeping on high school's gym
 
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Good for a little inspiration - thanks! I am just about to get out on my Moots road bike for the first time in three months (just got back from a deployment to the Middle East).
 

Dx-treme

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i am looking for a cheap ti road bike next year.

I have 2 ZIPP 2001 so i am selling 1 (size large beam, small Frame ) or trade for a comparable TI road bike.

If none, then think i am gonna settle with airborne frame next summer
 
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<< i am looking for a cheap ti road bike next year.

I have 2 ZIPP 2001 so i am selling 1 (size large beam, small Frame ) or trade for a comparable TI road bike.

If none, then think i am gonna settle with airborne frame next summer
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I would generally take a high-end steel bike over budget ti, but I know people like their Airbornes. I have steel and ti road bikes (De Rosa SLX Professional and Moots VaMoots) and a ti MTB (Serotta ATi), and generally I find steel offers a superior ride in a road bike. I betcha you could do better getting a fresh used bike on Ebay, as opposed to an Airborne. Here, for example, is a gorgeous Serotta Legend Ti (one of the most desirable ti bikes around IMO) with an F1 carbon fork and new, stunning paint, with a Buy It Now price of only $750. The seller, Mavic1010, is a staple on the Serotta BBS and an all-around good guy.
 

Dx-treme

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Is there a noticeable difference (besides prestige) between high end Ti and budget Ti ??

i am riding a Tru temper OX III gold steel frame for my mtn bike and could not really tell a difference between a high end Columbus Steel.
 
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<< Is there a noticeable difference (besides prestige) between high end Ti and budget Ti ??

i am riding a Tru temper OX III gold steel frame for my mtn bike and could not really tell a difference between a high end Columbus Steel.
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I certainly think so. My own experiences are at least partly a function of the fact that I am a larger guy (6'3", 185) with a slightly brutal riding technique that will reveal whatever flex exists in a frame. Since ti is inherently a more flexible material than steel, a poorly-designed frame will exhibit undesirable ride qualities much more readily than a steel one. This is at least part of the reason that high-end ti bikes have such disparate designs, often oriented around maximizing drivetrain stiffness (e.g., the oversized chainstays used by many builders, or Serotta's wonderful Colorado Concept tubing, in which the downtube and seat tubes are swaged and externally butted to very large dimensions near the bottom bracket shell). Seven and Serotta also use custom tubesets to optimize the stiffness and ride for each rider's dimensions and riding style. To their credit, Airborne have tried to jump on this bandwagon as well, by throwing in some external butting. To my eyes it is a rather clumsy design, and their bikes look poorly welded compared to high-end American bikes, but they are obviously much cheaper and I don't doubt they are plenty strong. I DO doubt, however, that they offer ride quality similar to quality American bikes.

My own experience with steel has been that ride quality and handling do vary considerably (my De Rosa is MUCH nicer than the production steel bikes I have ridden), but the basic designs and tube dimensions are much more homogeneous than titanium. Notably, your MTB uses a very high-quality tubeset, so I'm not sure it makes sense to expect it to ride much differently from other high-end bikes. As I said before, my own experience has been that steel is probably the nicest-riding road-bike material, but the shock absorption, resiliency, and durability of ti makes it optimal for MTBs. I know my Serotta rides much nicer than the two steel MTBs I owned previously (a Bridgestone MB-3 and an MB-0), though that must be partly due to the Colorado Concept design, which I feel is one of the best ideas in all of bikedom.
 
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<< Is it worth it to get the lowest end Litespeed vs. the Airbourne road bike you think ? >>



I dunno - as I said, I would look to Ebay or other sources to get something a little ritzier if I were looking for a cheap ti bike (I got my Moots from the classifieds at Road Bike Review). Litespeed bikes are really nothing to write home about either IMO, and they have really dragged down the quality of Merlins since they acquired them. If you insist on getting a brand-new bike, Airborne is supposed to have good customer service, and their owners seem to like them. The thing is, there are a panoply of great custom builders out there who could build a wonderful steel bike for the same price, which to me makes it hard to justify buying low-end ti road bikes.
 

JETninja

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He He..I have just the opposite problem. I'm 6'1" and 138lbs....I find most bikes too stiff! I hope to next year get something like a Trek 5200 or something.

Good discussion though!
 

jasonja

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The USPS cycling team.... that must be who Netflix uses when sending my DVD's back and forth.
 
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