Free Vegetarian Starter Pack

[Micah]

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we cannot use reasoning that other animals participate in this "bloodshed" (killing of other beings) so we can too.
animals only do it because it is their nature.
humans, on the other hand, are past living this type of style.
we left the food chain when we found ways to cultivate food that nature did not directly provide us.
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Domesticated farm animals were part of this cultivation. They are harvested as a resource just like corn, wheat, or potatos. I do agree, however, that the environmental impact of large meat distributors is heavily detrimental. In addition, the inhumane treatment of the animals is inexcusable. But, in the end, I see nothing wrong with cultivating and harvesting them as a resource.

 

[Fritzo]

I just took my dog to the Vegetarian and it cost me like $80!!! I wish I would have known about this pack...I could have cured him myself. I don't know why Vegetarians charge so much! They.....what's that? Oops, sorry.

 

[prontospyder]

This a pretty good thread! Thanks for the link.

 

[IshmaelLeaver]

Wow, a sensible vegetarian thread at AT. Keep it up.

 

[Sesopedalian]

There is room for both diets on this forum. For example, there is a thread today about winning a free "hot dog on a stick." People who eat meat can have the hot dog, and the vegans can have the stick. Sometimes things work out so well...

 

[Perplexer]

<< It's so expensive and all I would do is poop. >>



LOL! You're half-right...

My grocery bill has easily dropped by at least 50% since I gave up meat and dairy.

And pooping is a good thing. I'm shocked when I hear how often my meat-eating friends and co-workers are constipated. Not going to the toilet for five days may help you on a road trip, but it's certainly not healthy!

Plex
Vegetarian 9 years, vegan for 2

 

[huesmann]

Yeah, but the poop still has to be of good quality. If it's nice and solid, it's easier to get all of it out.

 

[Justincase]

Noooo...light and fluffy is best...and it will be if you eat a lot of fiber and ruffage. :Q BTW, going 3 times a day is ideal, and passing gas 14 times a day is 'average', according to scientific studies.

 

[HepDude]

Before becoming a vegetarian or vegan, do yourself a favor and read this balanced and very well researched site by vegetarians:

www.beyondveg.com

 

[bluemax]

<< Does that pack include something to take for all the farting you're gonna do? >>


I don't know where you think veggie = gas but neither I nor my wife have any flatulence issues.
Perhaps if you're getting gas from eating the occasional green-leafy-thing is a sign your digestive problems are a little more serious.
Get the tiniest bit of roughage and you get severe gas... I'd say your colon is backed up something awful. Give it a week or two with all veggies, no meat, you'll find even pooping a better experience.

(Boy, I never thought I'd say that.....)

 

[grappa]

I was going to sign up until I discovered this site's run by PETA. No way am I giving my address to those vegenazis. You'd think people who are trying to change laws about animal testing could at least abide by all the other laws (like breaking and entering, etc).


G

 

[bluemax]

Hey HepDude that site you linked to was a site by a non-vegetarian against vegetarianism.
I read through it hoping for some good info - found mostly personal opinion and a lot of stuff on "evolution".

but he did link to this on his site... one that may be a little more objective.

 

[TurboMan]

<< do you think it's wrong that other animals eat other animals? like a snake eating a mouse? if yes, why? if no, why is humans eating other animals any different? >>



It is different because when an animal eats another animal the suffering is minimal. Tigers and lions kill there prey in seconds. What we are talking about is a life of misery for these animals. With any luck they live a short life. Not more than 40 years ago most farm animals still enjoyed the 'old' farm life. True they still met a brutal end but at least life was somewhat enjoyable. What goes on in a factory farm is complety wrong. It is nothing but pure human greed and gluttony. To me, because of their intelligence, what happens to pigs is the worst. These animals have the intellect of a 2-3 year old child. I must admit that I would probably make a lousy vegatarian, but that dosen't mean you still can't do your part. I no longer eat pork, veal, or chicken. Maybe in time I will completly go vegan, but for now it's a start.

 

[Fritzo]

I might consider doing this! Is steak a vegetable?

 

[iamme]

I thought "Free Vegetarion Starter Pack" was like a free salad or something......very misleading

 

[Freebie Hawk]

Anyone try all the vegetarian meat substitutes -- Look morningstar in the green boxes. This is pretty good and is a way to get you off of meat for a while, while eating lots of soy based protein products.

Pretty good stuff, actually.

 

[ShizNitz]

<< I might consider doing this! Is steak a vegetable? >>



ROFLMAO

 

[BrettG]

For those of you drawn by the thread title but not satisfied with some of the links, here's a link to a good book about a very natural diet that is easily one of the most healthy I've seen, and it actually makes sense!

Neanderthin

It doesn't exclude meat...as that is just silly.

 

[Justincase]

>>>Anyone try all the vegetarian meat substitutes -- Look morningstar in the green boxes. This is pretty good and is a way to get you off of meat for a while, while eating lots of soy based protein products. Pretty good stuff, actually.
<<<

I haven't tried 'all' of the meat substitutes and wouldn't want to; I doubt that anybody has. Some of the substitute meat products are not much healthier than their dead-animal counterparts...for instance, Worthington and Loma Linda products are pretty awful from a heath standpoint (just take a look at their loooong ingredient lists)...I consider such products 'transitional' foods which ideally would be eaten for a short period of time while you are getting weaned off meat. Morningstar has been mentioned here a couple of times - I personally wouldn't buy that brand due to their likely use of genetically modified soybeans...unless their products are specifically marked 'non-GMO' and 'organic', I would look elsewhere for a healthier product. A good percentage of the soy-based burgers and other products do contain genetically-engineered ingredients, including the well-known 'Gardenburger' (about 2 years ago, the Gardenburger people confirmed this). My personal favorite-tasting burger is the Soy Burger from Harmony Farms/Tree Of Life...it is hard to find though.

 

[CPA]

There is a reason we have eye teeth.

One question hasn't been asked. If we all changed to vegetarians, what do you think would become of livestock? hint: States some years have to increase the limit or the hunting season for dear, otherwise their overpopulation would kill them off in more inhumane ways than a bullet to the heart.

 

[Justincase]

>>>If we all changed to vegetarians, what do you think would become of livestock? hint:<<<

Hint: we'll know the definitive answer to this in a couple of years. Everything else is speculation. However, we do know that when demand for meat products is reduced, production is cut back; what happens with captive animals it is not the same as with the deer population in the wild.


>>>States some years have to increase the limit or the hunting season for dear, otherwise their overpopulation<<<

We really need a Government-sponsored deer-condom program :Q

 

[CPA]

<< >>>If we all changed to vegetarians, what do you think would become of livestock? hint:<<<

Hint: we'll know the definitive answer to this in a couple of years. Everything else is speculation. However, we do know that when demand for meat products is reduced, production is cut back; what happens with captive animals it is not the same as with the deer population in the wild.

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Why wouldn't it be the same, if everyone was a vegetarian, then there would be no captive animals, right? Or would we still just pen them up as pets?

 

[Justincase]

>>>Why wouldn't it be the same, if everyone was a vegetarian, then there would be no captive animals, right? Or would we still just pen them up as pets?<<<

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with keeping some animals as pets, as long as it is done humanely and one has the physical space available for the animal to roam. Needless to say, I do not think it is humane to keep an animal in a cage that's hardly bigger than the animal. I think we'll always have some animals 'captive,' but I personally believe that in the next couple of years there will be a major shift in people placing dead animals in their mouths. I'm not certain, but I think that Major Ed Dames may be discussing that very subject at some point during this interview tomorrow.

 

[TurboMan]

<< One question hasn't been asked. If we all changed to vegetarians, what do you think would become of livestock? hint: States some years have to increase the limit or the hunting season for dear, otherwise their overpopulation would kill them off in more inhumane ways than a bullet to the heart. >>


100% of the breeding of livestock is controlled by the farms. The animals population could be reduced in no time.




<< We really need a Government-sponsored deer-condom program >>


Sometimes I think we need this for some people as well.

 

[Loricariidae]

<< Why wouldn't it be the same, if everyone was a vegetarian, then there would be no captive animals, right? Or would we still just pen them up as pets? >>



It would be unthinkable and irresponsible to simply release animals that have spent thousands of generations in captivity into the wild. Even if they could survive on their own, anthropogenic encroachment and urban sprawl would probably force them into extinction in a few decades. If everyone was vegetarian, reserves would probably be established for the descendents of today's livestock, a sort of "reparation" for their ancestors' "enslavement," if you will.

Better minds than mine can probably think of an approach that is more appropriate.