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QuixoticOne

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: coloumb
Received mine today too [west coast]. Eh... re-installed Windows XP recently on an SATA drive...and wouldn't you know it - I installed it as a NON ACPI setup - which Vista will not support.

Luckily these are the full installations - so just unwrapped another SATA drive and did a fresh install.

And..they are the 32 bit version - kind of a bummer, but I don't forsee me needing 64 bit version at home. I'm a happy camper...

For the life of me I can't understand why anyone would install 64bit windows. It's slower than 32bit and less compatible. What exactly is the point?


The point, mainly, is that a 64 bit OS supports more than 4 gigabytes of virtual memory whereas a 32 bit
OS supports only 4 gigabytes of virtual memory. Since in 32 bit all of one's RAM plus the RAM used for
one's PCI/PCIE/cardbus/etc. peripherals as well as one's swap virtual memory must all fit within 4GBy,
one will often not be able to use more than 3 GB system ram plus a video card without running out of
address space.

When I install a 2nd video card on my main system which has 3GB ram installed I cannot use all my RAM
and a few hundred megabytes of it becomes useless in 32 bit OS environments.

Also the added virtual address space of the VISTA 64 bit OS allows it to somewhat "randomize" the place
in virtual memory where parts of the operating system, your programs, your DLLs, etc. are loaded.
This randomization helps the OS be more secure against malware since often in would be necessary
to know the address of certain parts of the programs and operating system data in order for a program
to attack vulnerable spots of those programs / data structures at their predictably known addresses.
If the malware can't rely on the weak points of the system being at predictable addresses in memory
it makes the system more resistant to its attack since the programs and data are loaded more randomly
around virtual memory in 64 bit.

 

krazydimund

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Originally posted by: QuixoticOne
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: coloumb
Received mine today too [west coast]. Eh... re-installed Windows XP recently on an SATA drive...and wouldn't you know it - I installed it as a NON ACPI setup - which Vista will not support.

Luckily these are the full installations - so just unwrapped another SATA drive and did a fresh install.

And..they are the 32 bit version - kind of a bummer, but I don't forsee me needing 64 bit version at home. I'm a happy camper...

For the life of me I can't understand why anyone would install 64bit windows. It's slower than 32bit and less compatible. What exactly is the point?


The point, mainly, is that a 64 bit OS supports more than 4 gigabytes of virtual memory whereas a 32 bit
OS supports only 4 gigabytes of virtual memory. Since in 32 bit all of one's RAM plus the RAM used for
one's PCI/PCIE/cardbus/etc. peripherals as well as one's swap virtual memory must all fit within 4GBy,
one will often not be able to use more than 3 GB system ram plus a video card without running out of
address space.

When I install a 2nd video card on my main system which has 3GB ram installed I cannot use all my RAM
and a few hundred megabytes of it becomes useless in 32 bit OS environments.

Also the added virtual address space of the VISTA 64 bit OS allows it to somewhat "randomize" the place
in virtual memory where parts of the operating system, your programs, your DLLs, etc. are loaded.
This randomization helps the OS be more secure against malware since often in would be necessary
to know the address of certain parts of the programs and operating system data in order for a program
to attack vulnerable spots of those programs / data structures at their predictably known addresses.
If the malware can't rely on the weak points of the system being at predictable addresses in memory
it makes the system more resistant to its attack since the programs and data are loaded more randomly
around virtual memory in 64 bit.

and thus, you got served.
 

ntdz

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Aug 5, 2004
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Originally posted by: QuixoticOne
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: coloumb
Received mine today too [west coast]. Eh... re-installed Windows XP recently on an SATA drive...and wouldn't you know it - I installed it as a NON ACPI setup - which Vista will not support.

Luckily these are the full installations - so just unwrapped another SATA drive and did a fresh install.

And..they are the 32 bit version - kind of a bummer, but I don't forsee me needing 64 bit version at home. I'm a happy camper...

For the life of me I can't understand why anyone would install 64bit windows. It's slower than 32bit and less compatible. What exactly is the point?


The point, mainly, is that a 64 bit OS supports more than 4 gigabytes of virtual memory whereas a 32 bit
OS supports only 4 gigabytes of virtual memory. Since in 32 bit all of one's RAM plus the RAM used for
one's PCI/PCIE/cardbus/etc. peripherals as well as one's swap virtual memory must all fit within 4GBy,
one will often not be able to use more than 3 GB system ram plus a video card without running out of
address space.

When I install a 2nd video card on my main system which has 3GB ram installed I cannot use all my RAM
and a few hundred megabytes of it becomes useless in 32 bit OS environments.

Also the added virtual address space of the VISTA 64 bit OS allows it to somewhat "randomize" the place
in virtual memory where parts of the operating system, your programs, your DLLs, etc. are loaded.
This randomization helps the OS be more secure against malware since often in would be necessary
to know the address of certain parts of the programs and operating system data in order for a program
to attack vulnerable spots of those programs / data structures at their predictably known addresses.
If the malware can't rely on the weak points of the system being at predictable addresses in memory
it makes the system more resistant to its attack since the programs and data are loaded more randomly
around virtual memory in 64 bit.

Why are you running unpaired ram in your system? I know that 64 bit offers much better features than 32 bit, but right now it's just not as good as 32 bit windows.
 

pdawg1717

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I'm getting nervous because I only got Vista and it seems like just about everyone here has received it except for me...it better be here tomorrow...

SF Bay Area
 

amd4life

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May 31, 2002
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I got my copy today also, norcal AWESOME

is the ultimate upgrade thats available on 1-30 for 129 worth it? wonder what the difference is
 

Dacalo

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Mar 31, 2000
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Originally posted by: amd4life
I got my copy today also, norcal AWESOME

is the ultimate upgrade thats available on 1-30 for 129 worth it? wonder what the difference is

I am thinking of doing this too. Ultimate for $129 is a bargain.
 

Elixer

Lifer
May 7, 2002
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Originally posted by: Dacalo
Originally posted by: amd4life
I got my copy today also, norcal AWESOME

is the ultimate upgrade thats available on 1-30 for 129 worth it? wonder what the difference is

I am thinking of doing this too. Ultimate for $129 is a bargain.

That is the same price they charge everyone. Worse thing about the anytime upgrade is it makes your retail product a OEM product, if that makes any difference to you, I dunno.

http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=275688#275688


 

QuixoticOne

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Nov 4, 2005
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Originally posted by: Dacalo
Originally posted by: amd4life

is the ultimate upgrade thats available on 1-30 for 129 worth it? wonder what the difference is

I am thinking of doing this too. Ultimate for $129 is a bargain.

Be careful; if you use Anytime Upgrade to change to Ultimate, you'll LOSE the
ability to transfer your OS license to a new or replacement PC, you'll LOSE
the ability to use the BUSINESS license in the future (and the ULTIMATE one
is only good for your single next PC transfer), and you'll LOSE the ability to
transfer (give/sell) the OS license to someone else unless you also transfer
the PC.

Also for only a few dollars more than the $139 you'd pay for the
BUSINESS RETAIL -> ULTIMATE anytime upgrade you could just BUY a boxed copy of
VISTA HOME PREMIUM UPGRADE at a store and then you'd get the MEDIA CENTER
functions of it and have no restrictions on being able to transfer it to new PCs in
the future.

The only core feature that ULTIMATE has that isn't also in one or the
other of BUSINESS and HOME PREMIUM is BITLOCKER full drive encryption
and, oops, that ONLY works if you have a TPM chip and BIOS for your motherboard
which basically very very very few motherboards have at this point, so it's
a useless 'added feature' for most people and besides there are good freeware
alternatives for drive encryption. I don't personally see a lot of value in
"VISTA ULTIMATE EXTRAS" so really the only key reason for most people to get
it would be MEDIA CENTER and for just that it doesn't seem like a good deal
at $139 for the anytime upgrade compared to just buying HOME PREMIUM in
the first place.



http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/useterms/default.aspx
Windows Vista_Business_English.pdf

13. UPGRADES. To use upgrade software, you must first be licensed for the software that is
eligible for the upgrade. Upon upgrade, this agreement takes the place of the agreement
for the software you upgraded from. After you upgrade, you may no longer use the
software you upgraded from.

15. REASSIGN TO ANOTHER DEVICE.

a. Software Other than Windows Anytime Upgrade. You may uninstall the software
and install it on another device for your use. You may not do so to share this license
between devices.

b. Windows Anytime Upgrade Software. The first user of the software may reassign
the license to another device one time, but only if the license terms of the software you
upgraded from allows reassignment.

16. TRANSFER TO A THIRD PARTY.

a. Software Other Than Windows Anytime Upgrade. The first user of the software
may make a one time transfer of the software, and this agreement, directly to a third
party. The first user must uninstall the software before transferring it separately from
the device. The first user may not retain any copies.

b. Windows Anytime Upgrade Software. You may transfer the software directly to a
third party only with the licensed device. You may not keep any copies of the software
or any earlier version.

c. Other Requirements. Before any permitted transfer, the other party must agree that
this agreement applies to the transfer and use of the software. The transfer must
include the proof of license.

 

nycxandy

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So this evaluation copy of Vista Business allows us to transfer it as many times as we want as long as we uninstall it from the previous?
 

Elixer

Lifer
May 7, 2002
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Originally posted by: nycxandy
So this evaluation copy of Vista Business allows us to transfer it as many times as we want as long as we uninstall it from the previous?

This Vista the MS is sending for this offer is a *retail* copy. So yes, you can move it to a new motherboard as many times as you want as long as you uninstall it from the old motherboard as you said.


 

AStr8

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Aug 27, 2002
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Got mine yesterday. I lost count of the amount f times I reinstalled Vista and XP last night trying to get multi-boot.to work! For anyone with any programs or hardware that isn't supported in Vista, multi boot can be a great solution. For it to work, XP has to be installed first and you have to start Vista install from inside of XP. If you do it any other way, Vista will not see your XP installation.
 

TowerShield

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Originally posted by: AStr8
Got mine yesterday. I lost count of the amount f times I reinstalled Vista and XP last night trying to get multi-boot.to work! For anyone with any programs or hardware that isn't supported in Vista, multi boot can be a great solution. For it to work, XP has to be installed first and you have to start Vista install from inside of XP. If you do it any other way, Vista will not see your XP installation.
I didn't install Vista from inside XP and it still recognized my other two XP installations at bootup.

Is there a special process to uninstall Vista to transfer it, or can I just format that partition when I want to transfer?
 

AStr8

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Aug 27, 2002
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Originally posted by: TowerShield
Originally posted by: AStr8
Got mine yesterday. I lost count of the amount f times I reinstalled Vista and XP last night trying to get multi-boot.to work! For anyone with any programs or hardware that isn't supported in Vista, multi boot can be a great solution. For it to work, XP has to be installed first and you have to start Vista install from inside of XP. If you do it any other way, Vista will not see your XP installation.
I didn't install Vista from inside XP and it still recognized my other two XP installations at bootup.

Is there a special process to uninstall Vista to transfer it, or can I just format that partition when I want to transfer?

Hmmm, I just read somewhere else too that it should recognize XP even if you install after starting with the CD. It definitely didn't recognize XP when I did that. Both installs (XP and Vista) were clean installs

I'm guessing that you don't need to even uninstall to transfer a liscense, but if after the new set-up activates online, if the original one goes online it will cause both versions to go into reduced functionality this-isn't-genuine-windows mode
 

kenji4life

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Jun 20, 2006
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Got my copy of Vista in the mail today!! Woohoo!!

It says evaluation copy, which probably just means it isn't for resale.

I'll find out if it's worthwhile when I install it on a new build this summer.. until then it's a dust collector on my desk.
 

lightpants

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Aug 13, 2001
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My copy of Vista came yesterday. I never got the paper to sign and sent back to get office. I guess I should look into it.
Jim
 

raystorm

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Apr 24, 2001
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Originally posted by: lightpants
My copy of Vista came yesterday. I never got the paper to sign and sent back to get office. I guess I should look into it.
Jim


So you did both offers and were qualified to get both (through those emails)?? I never got my Vista yet so I figured it was because I never sent the W9 which I did a couple of days ago.

 

country2

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May 1, 2001
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Still waiting on mine. I did both Vista and Office and mailed in the W9 form and from what I've been reading will be most likely middle Feb. for me.
 

Navid

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Jul 26, 2004
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Received Vista (the only one I applied for) North Carolina.

How can you tell that this is retail and not OEM?
 

Ryland

Platinum Member
Aug 9, 2001
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I did both but haven't sent the W9 in yet (they did say that they would send Vista first but wait for you to send the W9 in before sending Office).

Has anybody received their links to Office yet?

Vista has not arrived in RI yet.
 
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