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dafoomie

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Originally posted by: Navid
That is my understanding. But, I cannot speak from experience since I ordered my 64-bit media a few days ago and have not received it yet.
It let me order, that has to count for something. Hopefully they don't ship Media Mail.
 

styroe

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Originally posted by: nutxo
Originally posted by: styroe
Can someone lock this post, I am certainly sick of seeing it.

LOL. 17 posts and ya wanna run the joint? Why don't ya just not click on it?

I only post for instances like this... 4391 posts and you want to tell me this belongs in the hot deals forum at this point?
 

neocor

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I got both of them yesterday.
This is definitely the best deal I have ever got.
The last one was getting 2 free copies of XP Professional back in 2001.
This takes the cake as it has the office too.

neo
 

Ryland

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Has anybody else gotten small sponge like dolls from the Innovation Lab?
 

Ryland

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Has anybody received the tax forms from this promo yet? I received both office and vista but haven't received the tax forms.
 

Ryland

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Originally posted by: John
Originally posted by: pmradio
I found my second notice in my e-mail box about a week ago. I never saw the first one. After filling out the forums and faxing them in, it showed up today...about a week later. Little disappointed in the NFR...are trades considered legit?

Not on AnandTech.

FS/T forum rules: http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=1801239&enterthread=y

That message was from about a year ago. The only reason I resurrected the thread was to find out about whether anyone received the tax forms because these were a "gift" over a certain reportable amount.
 

rahvin

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The key point is this doesn't qualify as a "gift". This is straight up income per IRS regulations and the company providing the product has to report the income to the IRS if it exceeds a certain amount. But you are supposed to report ALL income, failure to do so can result in fines and penalties that frequently exceed the actual value of the unreported income.

Most people are completely ignorant of IRS requirements and come audit time that ignorance won't save you, only hurt you.

Oh and even though they have till the end of January I've gotten tax forms as late as mid-march before.
 

QuixoticOne

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So if you got vista business + office, what's the tax valuation you've received ?
I still haven't seen any actual numbers.
 

Ryland

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I haven't seen a tax evaluation yet. I would love to know how companies that are legally obligated to have all tax information postmarked by 1/31 able to have stuff be received in march and not get into any trouble.

I think it was MS that originally called these a gift that had to be reported. I have spent the last 9 months kicking myself for getting both and having to deal with the taxes...
 

UTFan81

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Originally posted by: Ryland
I haven't seen a tax evaluation yet. I would love to know how companies that are legally obligated to have all tax information postmarked by 1/31 able to have stuff be received in march and not get into any trouble.

I think it was MS that originally called these a gift that had to be reported. I have spent the last 9 months kicking myself for getting both and having to deal with the taxes...

wtf are we meant to do then? I got a copy of Vista.
 

Ryland

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Originally posted by: UTFan81
Originally posted by: Ryland
I haven't seen a tax evaluation yet. I would love to know how companies that are legally obligated to have all tax information postmarked by 1/31 able to have stuff be received in march and not get into any trouble.

I think it was MS that originally called these a gift that had to be reported. I have spent the last 9 months kicking myself for getting both and having to deal with the taxes...

wtf are we meant to do then? I got a copy of Vista.

Tax forms were only being sent out if you got both vista and office so you should be set.
 

raystorm

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Originally posted by: Ryland
I haven't seen a tax evaluation yet. I would love to know how companies that are legally obligated to have all tax information postmarked by 1/31 able to have stuff be received in march and not get into any trouble.

I think it was MS that originally called these a gift that had to be reported. I have spent the last 9 months kicking myself for getting both and having to deal with the taxes...


Crap! I regret it as well if it means waiting until March or so to do my taxes. I want to do them next week! grrrrrrrr Can we use the W9's we sent those folks instead of waiting? I still have a copy of them somewhere. I know zip about this stuff though. ah well
 

Ryland

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I can't really see how we can do taxes without knowing how much MS is going to say their software was worth.

I am going to be pissed if they try saying we received full retail copies when we didn't. Would that be fraud on their part?
 

country2

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Originally posted by: Ryland
According to Mark Brown from MS we should be receiving the W9's shortly. Linkage http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowP...x?PostID=377188#377188

He also states it was not a "Gift" but more of a prize. I am still not looking forward to paying the taxes on this...

Thanks for the info. I had already planned that if MS doesn't send the needed info by mid-Feb I was just going to claim a extra 750 dollars as taxable income on it and say heck with waiting since I usually get average 10k back on taxes and cannot wait .
 

kranky

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I have read that you are not obligated to use the prize giver's opinion of what a prize is worth.

Here's a scenario... you win a 7-day trip to Europe, valued by the contest sponsor at $8,000. Sponsors want the contest prizes to sound great, so they have reason to put a high value on the prize. But in reality you only owe tax on the actual value of the prize and not what some contest sponsor claimed it was worth, and you have a right to state why you value the prize differently. So you could document (key is to be able to document it) that you found a flight for $800, found a better rate at the hotel for $100 less per night, etc. and possibly be able to show that you could have taken the identical trip for $2500.

You can attach your documentation to your return to show why your return shows a different valuation than what the prize giver reported to the IRS.

I would scrounge around for the lowest prices of the software I could find and use that on my return and attach a letter explaining the difference. If it's NFR software, the value should be even lower than a discounted retail price. But you may find that the impact on your taxable income is small enough to not bother.
 

krunt

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Originally posted by: kranky
I have read that you are not obligated to use the prize giver's opinion of what a prize is worth.

Here's a scenario... you win a 7-day trip to Europe, valued by the contest sponsor at $8,000. Sponsors want the contest prizes to sound great, so they have reason to put a high value on the prize. But in reality you only owe tax on the actual value of the prize and not what some contest sponsor claimed it was worth, and you have a right to state why you value the prize differently. So you could document (key is to be able to document it) that you found a flight for $800, found a better rate at the hotel for $100 less per night, etc. and possibly be able to show that you could have taken the identical trip for $2500.

You can attach your documentation to your return to show why your return shows a different valuation than what the prize giver reported to the IRS.

I would scrounge around for the lowest prices of the software I could find and use that on my return and attach a letter explaining the difference. If it's NFR software, the value should be even lower than a discounted retail price. But you may find that the impact on your taxable income is small enough to not bother.

Mostly right - (do not take anything I say as tax advice that pertains to your situation, i am going to generalize here and it will not be 100% correct. This is not tax advice. Go see a professional if you need help or have questions.) That said, you are mostly right. The way it works (usually) is that Microsoft will provide a 1099 or similar document, showing the value you received. The IRS also obtains a copy. Microsoft wants this number to be high because they can probably take it as a write off (Maybe not, i do not know the ins and outs of Microsoft's finances.) You can try and say that the value is lower, and pay taxes on that. You do not have to document your reasons per se... however, if the IRS decides to use the higher value you will owe taxes and penalties and interest on those taxes. You can argue it, and you may win. But as stated, it is probably not worth the cost.

What you should CONSIDER (im not giving advice) doing, if you have the tax document before you file, see if the number is too high vs. what you feel it should be to matter. The value will be tagged into your adjusted income, so basically, take your tax bracket and this is how much you will be paying. If it is only costing you a small amount, pay it. If it is costing you allot more then you think it should, then document the reasons why and attach that to the form. If the IRS looks, and the IRS disagrees, and the IRS goes after you, you probably just owe the difference plus interest. Penalties are highly unlikely in this situation (unless you went ahead and said it was worth $1, when the form reports it as $2,000 or something).

If you do not have the form yet when it is time to file, go ahead and put in the values on a 1099 that you believe it should be. attach your paperwork estimates, and perhaps a brief explanation. then go ahead and file. If you get the official form from microsoft after you file you can always amend with the new form. You may have to pay a bit more when you do so but the end result will be about the same. Again, you can ignore microsofts form and try to hold up your own numbers if you are questioned about them.

Pay what you owe, don't pay what you are not owed.
Personally, if the copy you receive is not fully transferable to a 3rd party then i would argue that it is basically valueless. If it has no market value then it isn't worth anything.

Edit: looked over the post- I can't see how they are calling it a prize. Seems like income to me, maybe you will get a 1099-B for bartered goods. If they call it a prize someone post here and also state which form they sent you. I am sure they have good lawyers, just interested to see how they are calling this a prize.
 

Ryland

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What will be interesting to me is how much of a value they put on Office figuring we received no media for it and had to download an installer. Vista Business was a DVD in a cardboard sleeve which is perfectly fine but is definitely not a retail copy. Would it be misrepresentation for them to claim the full retail price for retail copies when they didn't actually give us retail copies? At the most I would think that the price for Vista would between OEM and retail...
 

krunt

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Well here is the issue, these values are set at the "market price." Often there is no true market price, not only for retail goods that can often sell below or above MSRP, but even when the IRS has to price any old thing. Technically speaking, if you help your friend move and he gives you an old computer case you have to declare that on your taxes. Now the IRS will never know, and it is of such little value that it is not worth the trouble, but it is either income or a gift (the distinction is often fought and I will not try to get into it here just leave it to say that if there is an exchange of goods and services, in any combination, it probably is not a gift.) The point being, if it were income, and you were going to report it, you would have to come up with a price and that is done by looking at what such an item would fetch on the open market. Hard to judge but you can always find some value even if it is just the scrap value.


With this deal microsoft is giving you software, sort of, and therefore the base MSRP price of the software is a good starting point. However you do not get the bells and whistles that usually come with a piece of retail software, so maybe an OEM price is more likley. Then again, you probably agreed that it would be non-transferable. (Yes, software you buy usually is non transferable but not until you open the box *in most cases*). As an added wrinkle, because the software is theirs and they are pricing it, and they are taking a write-off on it, they want the price to be as high as possible. Boost those profits on paper. This is why it is not a "gift". Because the gift-giver is usually liable for the taxes on gifts (wouldn't apply here for other reasons though.)

So to answer your question more directly- would it be a misrepresentation to claim the full retail price? Probably not according to them, and they set the price. Who is going to contradict them, and more importantly, their lawyers.

so your tax liability is going to be between 10% and 35% of the value they set. see: http://www.irs.gov/formspubs/a...e/0,,id=164272,00.html
Vista at 65% to 90% off still sounds like a good deal.


Edit: If you really are concerned, and i would wait until you got the form in hand here is what you could do. (This is just an idea, not advice, Get a professional to help/advise). Pay the tax you would owe if microsofts numbers are right, and file a six month extension. Then seek a revenue ruling stating your case. Basically you just write the IRS a letter asking what you should do, how you should value it, etc... They will write you back and their answer is binding for you, not for anyone else. Would not take much time and it may save you some money. In either case you file before the extension is up, and as you have already paid in full (if the ruling goes against you) you wouldn't have any penalties or interest. If the ruling is in yoru favor you get a refund check.

If you have already overpaid and are getting a refund anyway, calculate it as if Microsofts numbers are correct and seek the ruling. If it comes down in your favor file an amended return and get the taxes you overpaid back at that later time.

*Even if that all made perfect sense to you don't do it, go see a professional*
 
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