Freedom of speech, Joe Rogan, Neil Young, and a Politico opinion piece:

[cytg111]

Think Rogan is done and a lot of people will feel embarrassed supporting him. New Tapes have surfaced not only of him using the the N word, but paraphrasing, saying he was in the "Planet of the Apes" when he was in a black neighborhood, and also saying that (again paraphrasing) " a biracial person had the best of both worlds, a black body and a mind of white person.. not that black people don't have brains just a different brain.."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1487839516924661763

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Sucks to be Spotify, thats the music of 100m going down the drain.

Rogan grew bigger than his intellect were able to handle. Implosion imminent.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Omg cancel culture means saying sorry when I use the n word /fainting couch

 

[Moonbeam]

I would like to watch the Rogan Peterson thingi mentioned above but seems it is 4 hours and to watch you have to sign up to Spotify. Not joining and 4 hours, Jesus, not sure I'm that interested.

Anyway, all the emphatic comments on our rights to protest speech we do not like seems oddly emotional since the right to ignore, to rebut, or pan the speech of others is wound tight with what free speech means. It has always been the case that we can reply to the speech of others however we want so long as that right is preserved for everybody. Heavy emphasis on the right to react rather than the right to speak tells me there are emotions at play that imply to my mind anyway, a fear that free speech is a failed concept when used by people we fear, people who spread dangerous ideas. At root what I sense is a feeling of helplessness and the rage that feeling tries to mask. I see that as the chimp within me that wants to rip a branch off a tree and go on a rampage.

 

[Jaskalas]

Yeah it's getting harder and harder to be an asshole, a loud blathering idiot, or a public health hazard.

I know, they deserve it. That response was expected.
But do you deserve their notion of returning the favor?

 

[pauldun170]

Censorship?
A person did not want to do business with a company that did business with questionable people and issues a "him or me" ultimatum.

Explain how this is censorship

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

The rest of the group, CS & N have yanked their stuff off.

 

[emperus]

mispost

 

[pauldun170]

Joe Rogan is a stoner comedian that benefited from UFC affiliation and youtube presence to make a decent living.
He's a comedian by nature and questionable content comes with the territory.
I personally give a lot of slack to those in that business.

Issue is that a lot of his followers are treating Joe Rogan's content as "authoritative source of information" because "dumbasses".
Once you enter that realm you are creating a platform of influence, your duty changes a bit as an entertainer. You are going from making people think through humor to influencing actions by robbing people of the ability to come to their own conclusion.

There is probably a better way to explain....

 

[dank69]

I know, they deserve it. That response was expected.
But do you deserve their notion of returning the favor?

How can I answer that until you explain what their notion means?

 

[Roger Wilco]

Member that episode where Joe laughs his ass off while Joey Diaz reminisces about coercing women into oral sex for stage time.

Joe Rogan under fire for laughing about coercing women to have sex

Joe Rogan is in hot water after video surfaced of him laughing while friend and fellow comedian Joey “Coco” Diaz spoke about not allowing female comedians to go on stage unless they per…

nypost.com

 

[cytg111]

And here is Rogan giving Hunter Bidens laptop a run for its money… With Alex Jones no less… Its crazy

 

[dlerious]

Very tired of people not understanding that freedom of speech protects you from the government and nobody else.

It looks like the government IS getting in on the action.

White House urges Spotify to take further action on Joe Rogan

Psaki says Spotify disclaimer is welcome, but platform could actually fight misinformation

www.independent.co.uk

 

[cytg111]

And on a side note, of course is Peterson defending Rogan

 

[ivwshane]

It looks like the government IS getting in on the action.

White House urges Spotify to take further action on Joe Rogan

Psaki says Spotify disclaimer is welcome, but platform could actually fight misinformation

www.independent.co.uk

Urging and requiring are two different things. Is their urging any more than offering up an opinion? No? Then the “government” isn’t getting in on the action.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Again ... Refusing to pay for facilitation of misinformation is not "censoring". Joe Rogan is free to spill his poison on any soapbox he pleases. People cancelling business relationships with Spotify is not "censoring". It's simply a call to exercise freedom of association - a basic civic liberty in all western democracies and a constitutional right in the US

If Spotify was a neutral platform, that just happened to host Joe Rogan, that's different. If you don't like it, don't listen to the guy. What Spotify did is tell it's subscribers - "we're gonna pay $100 million dollars to Rogan whether you listen to it or not". They made the choice for them. He gets Spotify money, Spotify's subscriber's money, to spread misinformation regardless of the subscriber's choices. Spotify changed from being a platform to content provider because of this. People are reacting to Spotify's active encouragement and funding, more than just providing a platform. They're paying 100 million dollars to make the world a worse place to live in. Rogan seems to love money more.

I don't push for them banning Rogan. Spotify made a business decision, but business decisions have consequences. You hope the consequences are more profit, where you gain more listeners than you lose from bringing in such content as an exclusive. Spotify decided to attach themselves and their brand to the content. You want to listen to Joe Rogan? You have to be a Spotify subscriber. So ...what if you don't want to fund the misinformation he's spreading? Well, then you choose to be off Spotify altogether. The free market at work. you choose to not have your money used to fund that misinformation.

If Joe Rogan is not interested in pushing an agenda or misinformation, why does he do so little to prepare in advance for these discussions. If he is simply unable to discern cranks from reputable sources, how can he possibly promise to have on more reputable guests to "balance" his coverage? If he knows that his guests are considered to be cranks, why does he do so little to press them on areas where they diverge from what is generally accepted peer reviewed truth? If this was really about "just asking questions" answering these questions should be very simple. Rogan needs to realize telling someone that they are factually wrong is not censorship. Nor is telling other people that that person is factually wrong. Nor is telling people not to listen to or promote that person's incorrect statements. Because this isn't about shutting down an opinion. It's about calling out lies/misinformation for not being true. You have a right to be wrong. Rogan seems to think you have a right to pretend to be right when you're wrong. misinformation is far cheaper and easier to produce and distribute than factual information. And it can usually be packaged in a more appealing format because the messenger doesn't need to understand any underlying facts or research.

The old saying - "A Lie can travel half around the world, while the truth is still tying it shoelaces."

Joe has a responsibility that as soon as his guests starts spouting bullshit he should shut the conversation down, say "thank you very much this is bullshit!, get the fuck out of my studio".

That he does not means he is actively providing a platform for dangerous misinformation, bigoted viewpoints, and conspiracy theories. I don't care if he thinks he's being "balanced." He's giving a platform to hate and dangerous misinformation and he's being brought to task for it with subscriber dollars, freedom of association and the free market. Rogan is either a journalist or an "entertainer", to which he ascribes to being the latter. His listeners don't think of him as an entertainer, they think he's the equivalent of 60 minutes.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Joe Rogan is a stoner comedian that benefited from UFC affiliation and youtube presence to make a decent living.
He's a comedian by nature and questionable content comes with the territory.
I personally give a lot of slack to those in that business.

Issue is that a lot of his followers are treating Joe Rogan's content as "authoritative source of information" because "dumbasses".
Once you enter that realm you are creating a platform of influence, your duty changes a bit as an entertainer. You are going from making people think through humor to influencing actions by robbing people of the ability to come to their own conclusion.

There is probably a better way to explain....

Comedians are the biggest fucking hypocritical whiny snowflake pieces of shit that exist. They want all the accolades for when they say things people agree with, but none of the criticisms for when they say incredibly fucked up stuff (often not joking when they say it despite trying to escape criticism later by claiming such when its called out). Not only that, but listen to them scream about their safe space (the stage) whilst they cry that safe spaces are ruining everything with no self awareness whatsoever. So why is it that they think they deserve safe space and the freedom to say anything without response? That was never what comedy was. Heckling and being yanked off stage were literally foundational aspects to comedy, and yet if you'd listen to the whiniest of them its unfair that it happens. Either they don't know the fucking history of their chosen profession (do they not know monarchs used to literally have their jesters murdered if they didn't find them funny or insulted them even, you know, like Turmp regularly openly says he wants to do), or they're exactly what they're bitching about.

And their "too PC!" acolytes are just as bad. They want the freedom to spout their hate but if anyone dares call them on it they start screaming and making comparisons to Nazi death camps.

Fuck all of them since its clear they more than anyone can't take a fucking joke.

And yes, fucking no one should be taking what comedians say as gospel ever on any subject. They openly tout they're know nothings who's goal is just to make jokes. And yet here we are. With tons of right wing dudebros looking at Joe Rogan as their Prophet Muhammed and Turmp as their Emperor Godking.

It looks like the government IS getting in on the action.

White House urges Spotify to take further action on Joe Rogan

Psaki says Spotify disclaimer is welcome, but platform could actually fight misinformation

www.independent.co.uk

No they're not.

Member that episode where Joe laughs his ass off while Joey Diaz remises about coercing women into oral sex for stage time.

Joe Rogan under fire for laughing about coercing women to have sex

Joe Rogan is in hot water after video surfaced of him laughing while friend and fellow comedian Joey “Coco” Diaz spoke about not allowing female comedians to go on stage unless they per…

nypost.com

Seriously, this stuff (horrible sexism, racism) has been known about Rogan the entire fucking time. There's a reason why women podcasters when asked about Rogan (basically by white dudes wanting women to fall all over Rogan for supposedly building podcast into a platform) tend to say no comment. Because they've known what a scummy piece of shit him and his ilk have been the entire fucking time, but if they call it out they get the full brunt of the Brogan groupies.

Hell, a co-worker put on an episode of his shit a little while back. It was even more garbage than normal with one guy constantly talking about wanting to fuck Grimes, another just spouting cuss words and random shit (not as a joke, he would just randomly say stuff like "pussy cum shit balls" and then the 3 would laugh like morons), and then Rogan going on a rant about vaccines where he couldn't even form a coherent thought, it was just very very generic "and like the vaccines are like, you know, like, well that's how they're going" like there wasn't even an actual criticism, he just acted like it was obvious that vaccines are actually doing the harm.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

^^ Dude, you kiss your Mamma with that mouth?

 

[Moonbeam]

Urging and rewriting are two different things. Is their urging any more than offering up an opinion? No? Then the “government” isn’t getting in on the action.

Can you urge people to not vaccinate or wear masks?

 

[Moonbeam]

^^ Dude, you kiss your Mamma with that mouth?

I think it helps him to avoid a hidden suspicion he’s not taken seriously. Or….you can bet your fucking dumb ass this local shit throwing ape took lessons from puffer fish. Sorry about that.

 

[Greenman]

I think it helps him to avoid a hidden suspicion he’s not taken seriously. Or….you can bet your fucking dumb ass this local shit throwing ape took lessons from puffer fish. Sorry about that.

If you can't be smart, be rude.

 

[cytg111]

Can you urge people to not vaccinate or wear masks?

You assignment for today is to come up with counter arguments to that on your own.
The test starts now.

 

[Moonbeam]

You assignment for today is to come up with counter arguments to that on your own.
The test starts now.

I'm willing to go you one better. I am a fascist authoritarian when it comes to medical science as the be all and end all authority. When the medical consensus is that vaccination and masks save lives, I believe that bad actors without countervailing reasons not to comply should lose their rights to intermingle with the public generally.

The problem with my kind of thinking, that the insane can't be allowed to endanger the sane, is dangerous itself because the last people to recognize their own insanity is the insane.

The additional problem this brings with it is that I know I am sane and it's the rest of you who are nuts.

 

[Moonbeam]

If you can't be smart, be rude.

I'm just sorry he is so bitter. I only have to endure his occasional insults. He lives in his skin 24 7. He wasn't born that way.

 

[ivwshane]

Can you urge people to not vaccinate or wear masks?

Of course but that’s still different from requiring (my original post had a spelling error and said rewriting).

 

[ivwshane]

I think it helps him to avoid a hidden suspicion he’s not taken seriously. Or….you can bet your fucking dumb ass this local shit throwing ape took lessons from puffer fish. Sorry about that.

I think that’s a misunderstanding of him on your part. His posts come from passion, frustration, confusion, and personal experiences.

Have you never had a heated argument where you were so passionate to the point that you could no longer articulate clearly your points and you lashed out in frustration?