Freedom of speech, Joe Rogan, Neil Young, and a Politico opinion piece:

[JEDIYoda]

Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can so for your country!!

 

[digiram]

I browse the comments section of yahoo finance all the time. Who is this left that always cancels the right? All I see are right wing circle jerks there on a supposed establishment/leftwing platform.

 

[biostud]

The problem as I see it, is that we haven't figured out what kind of responsibility and what kind of media, social media and platforms like Spotify and Youtube are.

In traditional media there would be an editor with editorial responsibility sorting out the worst wackos, or at least have a profile that was clear of what to expect and the editor in the end could be held responsible for everything that was published.

And before we had the new media, we also had freedom of speech, but you were not guaranteed to get your opinion printed or brought in the news.

With these new media, there is no filter before it is being published, and so everybody has gotten to expect that if they cannot upload anything, it will be a limitation their right to freedom of speech. And when they get taken down it is also often quite vague why, and if nothing happens, then we see this cancel culture start to take control instead.

So basically, the problem is the anarchy of the internet, and people expecting or comparing it to the old times media.

When Spotify diversified into allowing political podcasts without any form of editorial responsibility, then the anarchy of the internet (Neil Young in this case) turns to cancel culture, because these are the tools in the anarchy of the internet.

 

[darkswordsman17]

The problem as I see it, is that we haven't figured out what kind of responsibility and what kind of media, social media and platforms like Spotify and Youtube are.

In traditional media there would be an editor with editorial responsibility sorting out the worst wackos, or at least have a profile that was clear of what to expect and the editor in the end could be held responsible for everything that was published.

And before we had the new media, we also had freedom of speech, but you were not guaranteed to get your opinion printed or brought in the news.

With these new media, there is no filter before it is being published, and so everybody has gotten to expect that if they cannot upload anything, it will be a limitation their right to freedom of speech. And when they get taken down it is also often quite vague why, and if nothing happens, then we see this cancel culture start to take control instead.

So basically, the problem is the anarchy of the internet, and people expecting or comparing it to the old times media.

When Spotify diversified into allowing political podcasts without any form of editorial responsibility, then the anarchy of the internet (Neil Young in this case) turns to cancel culture, because these are the tools in the anarchy of the internet.

Cancel culture that didn't actually cancel anything but themself? That's the reason comments like yours are asinine.

And sorry, this shit is not new at all in this country. Right wingers have been pulling this shit perpetually for centuries in the US. The last major time they pulled this shit was in the 80s, where they ran around literally getting stuff cancelled while screaming about their personal freedoms being violated, despite it being blatantly dishonest. They play the victims while they do what they're demonizing others for allegedly doing to them.

Unfortunately people like you keep falling for this shit over and over and over, so we keep repeating the cycle. And it happens because as your post is proof of, we get attempts to pretend that its some fault of others when its all bullshit.

Its the same reason we can't make real lasting progress on racism. Or sexism. Or many other bigotry that continues, because, despite the overwhelming objective evidence showing irrefutably how full of shit right wingers are, people keep blaming other groups for it, instead of the right wingers.

 

[biostud]

Cancel culture that didn't actually cancel anything but themself? That's the reason comments like yours are asinine.

And sorry, this shit is not new at all in this country. Right wingers have been pulling this shit perpetually for centuries in the US. The last major time they pulled this shit was in the 80s, where they ran around literally getting stuff cancelled while screaming about their personal freedoms being violated, despite it being blatantly dishonest. They play the victims while they do what they're demonizing others for allegedly doing to them.

Unfortunately people like you keep falling for this shit over and over and over, so we keep repeating the cycle. And it happens because as your post is proof of, we get attempts to pretend that its some fault of others when its all bullshit.

Its the same reason we can't make real lasting progress on racism. Or sexism. Or many other bigotry that continues, because, despite the overwhelming objective evidence showing irrefutably how full of shit right wingers are, people keep blaming other groups for it, instead of the right wingers.

Nah, I just don't live in the US so cancel culture has just haven't been a thing over here before

 

[HomerJS]

Conservatives have always been in favor of freedom without responsibility

 

[mikeymikec]

I didn't get far into the article before I felt that the author needed someone to sit down and carefully explain to them what censorship is. Hint: it's not anything to do with one person taking his business elsewhere.

- edit - others have made this point already, oh well.

 

[trenchfoot]

Conservatives have always been in favor of freedom without responsibility

It's the only way they can lie their asses off, violate the Constitution while preaching how they are the defenders thereof, toss the Rule of Law down the flusher, legislate religious dogma, normalize racist, supremacist anti-gov't militia agendas into law and feel righteously arrogant about themselves while they're at it.

 

[blankslate]

I really believe if Michelle Obama runs... she wins, she's the wife of the best President we had in our lifetime

I consider Universal Basic Income a good idea... I want free college education

spend more you republican piece of shit!

"Not all Donald Trump supporters are racist but all racists are Donald Trump supporters"

What kind of rwnj thinks Michelle Obama should run or that the UBI is a good idea?

while the media is talking about Joe Rogan they get to ignore for a time the real causes of inflation... the fact that we haven't found yet (afaik) the zoonotic source for covid-19 meaning the Wuhan Lab Leak hypothesis is still on the table despite how some just put their heads in the sand. Or the fact that Biden for some inexplicable reason is failing to bolster public opinion by using executive orders to enact popular policies that he has the authority to make happen.

But hey it's easier to pretend that a podcaster is responsible for all of the countries ills that take a hard look at one's own side.




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[blankslate]

I suspect that Rogan "cant" criticize the right cause he will lose his UFC gig.

You should look deeper than the selected clips that nouveau fascists (meaning those who advocate censorship no matter their political leanings) have put out....


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[blankslate]

I can understand why Niel doesnt want to share a platform with that shit.

Sauce for the goose

Did Neil Young Use Homophobic Slurs When Talking About AIDS? | Snopes.com

yes he did. according to Snopes.


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[MooseNSquirrel]

Sauce for the goose

Did Neil Young Use Homophobic Slurs When Talking About AIDS? | Snopes.com

yes he did. according to Snopes.


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Whataboutism alert.

 

[cytg111]

Sauce for the goose

Did Neil Young Use Homophobic Slurs When Talking About AIDS? | Snopes.com

yes he did. according to Snopes.


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Well, not on the fence as I have been about Rogan… He is a human being and he fucks up, says some stupid shit, everybody does, our stupidest shit should not encompass all what we are as a lowest common denominator as human beings. I really think his success outgrew his format. The winging it and brutally honest humor (laughing at borderline rape “jokes” etc) is not a good fit for a 100m dollar podcast.

This is polarized times. If you march with a bunch of Nazis odds are you gonna catch a stray bullet. edit -metaphorically speaking- (before taj gets a brain hemorrhage
)

 

[dank69]

Sauce for the goose

Did Neil Young Use Homophobic Slurs When Talking About AIDS? | Snopes.com

yes he did. according to Snopes.


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That's about as relevant as the original KKK was started by Democrats. Now, if he still holds those views, then you'd have your bothsides gotcha. For Neil at least.

 

[Moonbeam]

That's about as relevant as the original KKK was started by Democrats. Now, if he still holds those views, then you'd have your bothsides gotcha. For Neil at least.

But what is the value in that? Why does ‘bothsidesism’ have such appeal to people? Why do they reach for it constantly? Are not such appeals just saying ‘I have a right to be wrong because I hate others who are wrong like me and I want them to feel how I was made to feel about being wrong’? Isn’t he just seeking justice, that everyone should feel as badly as he was made to feel?

What is the point of such spite? The way I see it they already do.

I see a world in which everybody wants everybody else to feel as bad as they do. What a noble aim.

 

[dank69]

But what is the value in that? Why does ‘bothsidesism’ have such appeal to people? Why do they reach for it constantly? Are not such appeals just saying ‘I have a right to be wrong because I hate others who are wrong like me and I want them to feel how I was made to feel about being wrong’? Isn’t he just seeking justice, that everyone should feel as badly as he was made to feel?

What is the point of such spite? The way I see it they already do.

I see a world in which everybody wants everybody else to feel as bad as they do. What a noble aim.

I see it as "I've hated liberals my whole life and if it turns out they were never as bad as I thought I would look like a fool and THAT is NOT an option."

 

[Moonbeam]

Nah, I just don't live in the US so cancel culture has just haven't been a thing over here before

I thought the points you made were very insightful, acurately diagnostic and thought provoking. And while I don’t disagree with his points about the right, I don’t understand his anger or how it applies to you.

What I see is that in giving voice to people who once reached only the neighbors, bigots today find both support and financial gain proselytizing their bigotry to a collective. They acquire in the process a larger community for herd safety, and the satisfaction of not feeling so alone. Suddenly the feel their insignificant misery has target and purpose. The wonders of group hate……

But since all hate is self hate, hate itself is never treated as a disease since we all hate anything that causes self recognition.

 

[dank69]

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But hey it's easier to pretend that a podcaster is responsible for all of the countries ills that take a hard look at one's own side.

Maybe it's easier for you to pretend someone said Rogan "is responsible for all of the countries[sic] ills" because that would make you look smarter than if you tried to fight against what's really being said about him.

 

[Moonbeam]

I see it as "I've hated liberals my whole life and if it turns out they were never as bad as I thought I would look like a fool and THAT is NOT an option."

Yes. We fear being seen as fools because how we would be treated for orthodoxy violations was made very clear to us as children. Now there is a war between those not completely broken in with those who were.

 

[ivwshane]

Whataboutism alert.

Also known as, fling shit and see what sticks.

 

[cytg111]

So.

Consumed this piece

archive.ph

Meet the woman behind Libs of TikTok, secretly fueling the right’s outrage machine

"Just four months after getting started, Libs of TikTok got its big break: Joe Rogan started promoting the account to the millions of listeners of his hit podcast. He mentioned it several times on the show in August, then again in late September. “Libs of TikTok is one of the greatest f---ing accounts of all time,” he said. With his seal of approval, Raichik’s following skyrocketed."

Rogan is getting back on my shit list. Little fucker.

 

[zzyzxroad]

The fact that a batshit conspiracy nut like Rogan has such a large audience is bonkers. We are talking about a guy who for a long period of time was convinced that the moon landings were faked. The guy is an idiot and the only subject he knows anything about is MMA/ martial arts.

 

[trenchfoot]

The fact that a batshit conspiracy nut like Rogan has such a large audience is bonkers. We are talking about a guy who for a long period of time was convinced that the moon landings were faked. The guy is an idiot and the only subject he knows anything about is MMA/ martial arts.

With Trump, the archetypical narcissist megalomaniacal conman and liar extraordinaire as their head of state, of whom his fatal insecurities compels him to overreact with visions of grandeur and autocracy, it's pretty obvious that every one of his lackeys, henchmen and cult following will mimic, praise and see him as a role model for success.

Guys like Rogan, one of many Limbaugh wanna-be's who discovered that it's quite profitable to hang onto Trump's tail and wordcraft tall tales in praise of Donald and the party he leads are making bank by preaching absolute nonsense that more importantly hits all the emotional pressure points that transforms their lies and disinformation into cash.

With millions of duped conservatives that have become addicted to the "feel good by being scared and hateful" bullshit spread far and wide by the GOP leadership, they are easy pickings for Rogan to victimize and exploit with ease.

 

[hal2kilo]

So.

Consumed this piece

archive.ph

Meet the woman behind Libs of TikTok, secretly fueling the right’s outrage machine

"Just four months after getting started, Libs of TikTok got its big break: Joe Rogan started promoting the account to the millions of listeners of his hit podcast. He mentioned it several times on the show in August, then again in late September. “Libs of TikTok is one of the greatest f---ing accounts of all time,” he said. With his seal of approval, Raichik’s following skyrocketed."

Rogan is getting back on my shit list. Little fucker.

I don't get the woman. Is she just taking a "stand" purely as an opportunist, or is she legitimately behind the LGQT cause. Is she just some "this is what the liberal world looks like" faker working for the right wing nut case cause. Plus I'm tire about hearing about any "influencer". Maybe people should make up their own minds about things instead of substituting someone else's thoughts for your own.

 

[cytg111]

I don't get the woman. Is she just taking a "stand" purely as an opportunist, or is she legitimately behind the LGQT cause. Is she just some "this is what the liberal world looks like" faker working for the right wing nut case cause. Plus I'm tire about hearing about any "influencer". Maybe people should make up their own minds about things instead of substituting someone else's thoughts for your own.

And indeed, however, it is what it is, and some of the shit posters have a HUGE audience ... in terms of elections and driving "public" discourse, its not a nothingburger.

edit : The Dark Fucker strikes again