French kick Sarkozy to the curb - Hollande to tax rich at 75%

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a777pilot

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Who is going to coordinate the info between the States?

Not trying to bust your balls, just that some of those groups have good reasons for existing. I believe we need to greatly reduce their size and scope to do only those things which really need done at the federal level, which accomplishes most of what you desire.

I agree.
 

fskimospy

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I opine the the Congress has a duty to make the rules, not turn that function over to an unelected body of Federal bureaucrats.

Congress dose need experts but they, congress, has a responsibility to do their job..........their job is not to delegate.

Their job is absolutely to delegate, that has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. If Congress has the power to do something it also has the power to delegate it to someone else. It's clear you haven't put any thought into this because it would take an awfully stupid person to believe that Congress could micromanage to that degree.
 

a777pilot

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Their job is absolutely to delegate, that has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. If Congress has the power to do something it also has the power to delegate it to someone else. It's clear you haven't put any thought into this because it would take an awfully stupid person to believe that Congress could micromanage to that degree.


LOL!

That's almost......almost......signature quality.
 

dank69

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Seriously what is it that you hate about ceo's. Youe calling them greedy bastards because they are trying to make more money and keep the money they have earned? There isnt a single person here on this forum that looks forward to paying their taxes. There isnt a single person here on this forum that doesnt make use of tax exemptions. So how is it when we do it its ok but when someone who has more money than us does it they are just greedy bastard? I just dont understand this gimme gimme mentality.

Show me a better job where I work less and earn more and i will be first in line. How is this different than companies looking for ways to save money and earn more. Like ive said previously, I own a small business. My employees are paid good and I give bonuses as much as possible. But give me a lazy employee and and I will fire them as soon as I believe they have stopped trying to make any effort towards the business goals. Is this any different from hiring someone to do your yardwork and trying to find the cheapest laborer who does the best job? Well guess what? thats what corporations are doing when they need to go off shore or hire people from india to answer customer service lines. Well if you dont like it stop buying discounted chinese products and buy american only and pay who knows how much more for the same thing. Your friends will call you stupid and laugh. This double standard ideological crap really needs to stop in America.

I know this thread is about France but many people here have discussed how they believe this would be a good step for America as well.

IN SUMMARY, LET BE CLEAR TO SAY THAT MY MONEY DOES NOT BELONG TO YOU. And some multimillion dollar company does not owe me a single dime.
To answer your question in bold above, I don't eliminate American jobs in order to make more money. Doing that one thing makes someone a 'greedy bastard.'
 

fskimospy

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LOL!

That's almost......almost......signature quality.

I'm hoping to someday insult you enough to make it into your signature. If you actually believe what you write you're one of the most stunningly stupid people to ever post here. That's no mean feat.
 
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So according to you the solution to dealing with an economic system that almost collapsed is to embrace one that did?

And would someone explain why taxing the rich will create jobs?

The only jobs it will create are more government jobs. Mainly, tax collectors/enforcers, and welfare case workers to hand out some of the taxes from the rich to the not rich.

If sustained welfare worked, we wouldn't have poor people. But the more programs put in place to help the poor, the more poor people we get.
 
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To answer your question in bold above, I don't eliminate American jobs in order to make more money. Doing that one thing makes someone a 'greedy bastard.'

But it's not the greedy American worker that wants $30/hr and retirment with full medical and pension at 50 for turning a few screws into a car frame that is to blame?
 

Fern

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The EU was designed to prevent another European war. It's worked in that respect. It's pretty paranoid to think the Euro was designed to put the US in its place.

I living/working there when establishing the EU was being discussed. Nobody was talking war.

I'm pretty sure it's primary purpose was to make doing business easier among the EU countries.

Back then, every transaction between companies in different EU countries had to deal with currency exchanges and contracts had to created to deal fluctuating rates for future payments etc. It was a PITA.

Fern
 

a777pilot

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The first duty of government is to protect the citizens, NOT tell them how to live their lives.
 

a777pilot

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p.s., I posted that maybe a bit too soon.

Do you want to give me an example of the government protecting citizens from themselves?

I'll wait.
 

fskimospy

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I request an example of this in the 1700's.

You're right. Not centuries, millennia.

Governments at various times have distributed food and other sustenance to the population throughout all of human history, back to Roman times even. Probably much longer. The modern welfare state came to be with Bismark in the mid 1800's, but governments have acted to provide for basic needs in different forms for a long time before then.

That's why it was so silly for you to make some completely unsupported statement.
 

nyker96

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This should get really interesting. I hope it goes through and we can see what really happens to the economy when you declare a war again the rich. Who knows, maybe it'll work out just fine and countries will follow?

yes, me too. I want to see what will happen if you tax the rich more than the poor. Let reality speak up.
 

Infohawk

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I living/working there when establishing the EU was being discussed. Nobody was talking war.

I'm pretty sure it's primary purpose was to make doing business easier among the EU countries.

Back then, every transaction between companies in different EU countries had to deal with currency exchanges and contracts had to created to deal fluctuating rates for future payments etc. It was a PITA.

Fern

It goes a lot further back then that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Coal_and_Steel_Community

"The ECSC was first proposed by French foreign minister Robert Schuman on 9 May 1950 as a way to prevent further war between France and Germany."

European leaders have long had a desire to build a united Europe to avoid another war among other reasons. It basically started as soon as WW2 was over. The "EU" is just the latest permutation.

So yes, technically the EU was designed to make trade easier but why did they want that? Because Europe has wanted to make war impossible. Remember I was responding to A777 who think European cooperation is there to screw the US. In reality, the US wanted a unified Europe to counter the Soviets.
 

a777pilot

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The EU will not keep Europe from another war. Why? Because there is not a country in Europe or the world for that matter, that likes France. Everyone to include Americans just want to find a Frog and punch them in the face. They are that irritating.
 

PingviN

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The EU will not keep Europe from another war. Why? Because there is not a country in Europe or the world for that matter, that likes France. Everyone to include Americans just want to find a Frog and punch them in the face. They are that irritating.

While this is true, not all of us are warmongering Neanderthals. Most people are able to put their dislike of the French aside for, you know, the great good.
 

a777pilot

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While this is true, not all of us are warmongering Neanderthals. Most people are able to put their dislike of the French aside for, you know, the great good.

LOL!

...and opine that punching out a Frog is the greater good.
 
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...because the stated purpose of the EU and the creation of the Euro was to replace the Dollar as the world reserve currency. The EU and the Euro was to be the instrument of putting the Americans in their place. I have no sympathy for their failing "experiment".

Is this true?
 

blankslate

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Unless I'm mistaken France uses marginal tax rates...
http://www.lost-in-france.com/living-in-france/finance/810-french-tax-system

If that's the case the wealthy won't pay and overall average tax rate of 75% on all of their income. On the first fractions of their income that are the same as the income of a typical citizen of France they'll pay the same rate of tax... it is the income over and above that is taxed at increasingly higher rates. If they earn enough the last portion of their income over a certain amount will be taxed at 75%

http://www.ehow.com/how_6196933_explain-marginal-tax-rates.html

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