French officials decide that Buriki cannot be worn at a swimming pool, despite its design exclusively as swimwear

[magomago]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8197917.stm

You guys can read the article. I'm sure everyone is a big boy and can click links.

How what actually is a "burkini"? Its, from people who advocate it, "Islamically acceptable" beach attire that maintains modesty.

Let us go to some REAL website that uses it- It was an Aussie lady that successfully pushed the Burkini and if you do any googling you'll find out that Ahiida is really the company behind this pretty damned cool idea.

http://www.ahiida.com/index.php?a=subcats&cat=20

What are these made of?

http://www.ahiida.com/index.php?a=results&subcat=59

100% Polyester - High Performance
50+ UV protected, Chlorine Resistant, Water Repellent, Low Water Absorbency and Very Quick Drying.

Here are some pictures of females modeling a Burkini:
http://www.ahiida.com/img/prod...221-110-1248312971.jpg
http://www.ahiida.com/img/prod.../225-52-1248310589.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nfZn...s320/burkini_retro.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nfZn...s320/burqini_polka.jpg

You can go online and read about the lady's story and why she made it - where she wanted modest, light, easy to wear clothes that would still let her swim and look appealing.

Of course, form this time article, we can see people who are not even Muslim that appreciates it

http://www.time.com/time/magaz...0,9171,1645145,00.html

Conservative Christians, cancer patients, burn victims and senior citizens, among others, have shown surprising interest. Joanne Martinez, 37, of San Clemente, Calif., bought a Hawaiian-print ensemble to stave off chills during late-night dips. Her mother Norma Suarez, 69, got a suit because her medications make her skin sun-sensitive. "We're both hooked," says Martinez. Meanwhile, Kathleen Petroff, 59, of Helendale, Calif., bought her Splashgear suit for a snorkeling trip, after weight gain from multiple-sclerosis treatment made her old suit unappealing. If not for Sabet's design, she says, "I would have missed swimming with the dolphins.

Yet we have a vague 'health concerns' (as if the people pissing in the pool, entering with god knows what kind of diseases, constantly spitting, etc. is something less of a concern than 100% polyester that is UV protecetd, water repellent, and quick drying). This is simply discrimination against Muslim women.

Thank GOD in the USA we would not have this, and I hope this type of attitude doesn't filter into our society.

Of course, the hygiene rules come from as follows:

At the pool, staff "reminded [the woman] of the rules that apply in all (public) swimming pools which forbid swimming while clothed," pool management official Daniel Guillaume was quoted by AFP as saying.

Here is a hint Daniel Guillaume, the burkini is made for swimming. It is swim wear. It is not clothing you wear while walking down the street.

French officials seem to lack lots of common sense (oh and one more time for good measure --> God bless USA.)

 

[OCGuy]

This is why I laugh when sheltered liberal morons pretend the US is the most racist xenophobic country on the planet.


The French are more nationalistic than a Mississippian at a Nascar race.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: OCguy
This is why I laugh when sheltered liberal morons pretend the US is the most racist xenophobic country on the planet.


The French are more nationalistic than a Mississippian at a Nascar race.

You are 100% correct!!

 

[Perknose]

It's 100% polyester, THAT'S why it's banned. The French have taste, you see.

 

[babylon5]

Bullshit. A woman's beautiful body should never be covered up.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: magomago
Here are some pictures of females modeling a Burkini:
http://www.ahiida.com/img/prod...221-110-1248312971.jpg
http://www.ahiida.com/img/prod.../225-52-1248310589.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nfZn...s320/burkini_retro.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nfZn...s320/burqini_polka.jpg

WHY are their faces uncovered? Allah demands their death!

 

[TruePaige]

I think people wearing clothes in the pool is retarded.

They are simply re-educating these morons.



Yes, I think any woman stupid enough to be oppressed by jealous men through their religion is a moron.

 

[Moonbeam]

I heard they don't want a lot of cloth in the water because it picks up too much dirt. A teeny weeny itty bitty bikini doesn't pick up much dirt or sand.

 

[sandorski]

I appreciate France's desire to eliminate Religious practises that make no reasonable sense. However, their methods are rather heavy handed.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Perknose
It's 100% polyester, THAT'S why it's banned. The French have taste, you see.

Swimwear, not clothing baby

Originally posted by: babylon5
Bullshit. A woman's beautiful body should never be covered up.

And if she wants to cover it up?

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: magomago
Here are some pictures of females modeling a Burkini:
http://www.ahiida.com/img/prod...221-110-1248312971.jpg
http://www.ahiida.com/img/prod.../225-52-1248310589.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nfZn...s320/burkini_retro.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nfZn...s320/burqini_polka.jpg

WHY are their faces uncovered? Allah demands their death!

Originally posted by: TruePaige
I think people wearing clothes in the pool is retarded.

They are simply re-educating these morons.



Yes, I think any woman stupid enough to be oppressed by jealous men through their religion is a moron.

Except they aren't wearing clothes. And it sounds like these women want to wear it, men not withstanding.

Originally posted by: sandorski
I appreciate France's desire to eliminate Religious practises that make no reasonable sense. However, their methods are rather heavy handed.

Yes because none of the "secular" reasons in the time article that I cited make sense....right? And why the hell does it matter if its religious? Sandorski - you aren't promoting a free society. You are promoting the use of public power to eliminate religion. More general, you are promoting the authoritarian stamping out of ideas. Not a very liberal idea if you ask me. That "choice" element seems to dissapear, and its hard to argue that freedom exists when choice doesn't exist.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Yes, I think any woman stupid enough to be oppressed by jealous men through their religion is a moron.

I agree, but I also realise many women choose to dress modestly by their own will alone, both Muslims and otherwise.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I heard they don't want a lot of cloth in the water because it picks up too much dirt. A teeny weeny itty bitty bikini doesn't pick up much dirt or sand.

Skin picks up dirt and sand too, and showers wash it off.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Yes, I think any woman stupid enough to be oppressed by jealous men through their religion is a moron.

I agree, but I also realise many women choose to dress modestly by their own will alone, both Muslims and otherwise.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I heard they don't want a lot of cloth in the water because it picks up too much dirt. A teeny weeny itty bitty bikini doesn't pick up much dirt or sand.

Skin picks up dirt and sand too, and showers wash it off.

Better response to TruePaige than I would have said...

And I think you missed the point of Moonbeam's post

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: OCguy
This is why I laugh when sheltered liberal morons pretend the US is the most racist xenophobic country on the planet.


The French are more nationalistic than a Mississippian at a Nascar race.

lawl.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Yes, I think any woman stupid enough to be oppressed by jealous men through their religion is a moron.

I agree, but I also realise many women choose to dress modestly by their own will alone, both Muslims and otherwise.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I heard they don't want a lot of cloth in the water because it picks up too much dirt. A teeny weeny itty bitty bikini doesn't pick up much dirt or sand.

Skin picks up dirt and sand too, and showers wash it off.

Better response to TruePaige than I would have said...

And I think you missed the point of Moonbeam's post

Honestly, I am not ashamed of my body, and am not disgusted by anyone elses body.

I would go around the whole day, every day naked.

Clothing is such an antiquated notion, with climate control it isn't really needed often except maybe a long coat to get to your car in the winter, or a jogging suit to jog in the cold.

In fact if you have ever jogged naked with just a support garment it can be a much cooler run and last longer with your body being able to sweat and breath.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Yes, I think any woman stupid enough to be oppressed by jealous men through their religion is a moron.

I agree, but I also realise many women choose to dress modestly by their own will alone, both Muslims and otherwise.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I heard they don't want a lot of cloth in the water because it picks up too much dirt. A teeny weeny itty bitty bikini doesn't pick up much dirt or sand.

Skin picks up dirt and sand too, and showers wash it off.

Better response to TruePaige than I would have said...

And I think you missed the point of Moonbeam's post

Honestly, I am not ashamed of my body, and am not disgusted by anyone elses body.

I would go around the whole day, every day naked.

Clothing is such an antiquated notion, with climate control it isn't really needed often except maybe a long coat to get to your car in the winter, or a jogging suit to jog in the cold.

In fact if you have ever jogged naked with just a support garment it can be a much cooler run and last longer with your body being able to sweat and breath.

So then what does your personal views on clothing have to do with forcing women to dress a certain way? Do you feel that you are unable to run in the nude if a women wears modest swimwear? I'm not seeing the connection here.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Yes, I think any woman stupid enough to be oppressed by jealous men through their religion is a moron.

I agree, but I also realise many women choose to dress modestly by their own will alone, both Muslims and otherwise.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I heard they don't want a lot of cloth in the water because it picks up too much dirt. A teeny weeny itty bitty bikini doesn't pick up much dirt or sand.

Skin picks up dirt and sand too, and showers wash it off.

Better response to TruePaige than I would have said...

And I think you missed the point of Moonbeam's post

Honestly, I am not ashamed of my body, and am not disgusted by anyone elses body.

I would go around the whole day, every day naked.

Clothing is such an antiquated notion, with climate control it isn't really needed often except maybe a long coat to get to your car in the winter, or a jogging suit to jog in the cold.

In fact if you have ever jogged naked with just a support garment it can be a much cooler run and last longer with your body being able to sweat and breath.

So then what does your personal views on clothing have to do with forcing women to dress a certain way? Do you feel that you are unable to run in the nude if a women wears modest swimwear? I'm not seeing the connection here.

Actually I can't. Because of the same kind of laws.

Other than the comment about my pity of these women being brainwashed into "modesty", I have to admit that I support their right to wear their weird suits.

Honestly though, as a whole humanity focuses far too much on silly things, like banning clothing or forcing clothing.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Yes, I think any woman stupid enough to be oppressed by jealous men through their religion is a moron.

I agree, but I also realise many women choose to dress modestly by their own will alone, both Muslims and otherwise.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I heard they don't want a lot of cloth in the water because it picks up too much dirt. A teeny weeny itty bitty bikini doesn't pick up much dirt or sand.

Skin picks up dirt and sand too, and showers wash it off.

Better response to TruePaige than I would have said...

And I think you missed the point of Moonbeam's post

Honestly, I am not ashamed of my body, and am not disgusted by anyone elses body.

I would go around the whole day, every day naked.

Clothing is such an antiquated notion, with climate control it isn't really needed often except maybe a long coat to get to your car in the winter, or a jogging suit to jog in the cold.

In fact if you have ever jogged naked with just a support garment it can be a much cooler run and last longer with your body being able to sweat and breath.

So then what does your personal views on clothing have to do with forcing women to dress a certain way? Do you feel that you are unable to run in the nude if a women wears modest swimwear? I'm not seeing the connection here.

Actually I can't. Because of the same kind of laws.

Other than the comment about my pity of these women being brainwashed into "modesty", I have to admit that I support their right to wear their weird suits.

Honestly though, as a whole humanity focuses far too much on silly things, like banning clothing or forcing clothing.

:thumbsup: Thanks.
I have no issue if you don't like the Burkini. Sure, that is fine - everyone has opinions. But don't inhibit them from doing what they want, especially when there is no real concern/cause for it.

Anyways night Paige.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Yes, I think any woman stupid enough to be oppressed by jealous men through their religion is a moron.

I agree, but I also realise many women choose to dress modestly by their own will alone, both Muslims and otherwise.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I heard they don't want a lot of cloth in the water because it picks up too much dirt. A teeny weeny itty bitty bikini doesn't pick up much dirt or sand.

Skin picks up dirt and sand too, and showers wash it off.

Better response to TruePaige than I would have said...

And I think you missed the point of Moonbeam's post

Honestly, I am not ashamed of my body, and am not disgusted by anyone elses body.

I would go around the whole day, every day naked.

Clothing is such an antiquated notion, with climate control it isn't really needed often except maybe a long coat to get to your car in the winter, or a jogging suit to jog in the cold.

In fact if you have ever jogged naked with just a support garment it can be a much cooler run and last longer with your body being able to sweat and breath.

So then what does your personal views on clothing have to do with forcing women to dress a certain way? Do you feel that you are unable to run in the nude if a women wears modest swimwear? I'm not seeing the connection here.

Actually I can't. Because of the same kind of laws.

Other than the comment about my pity of these women being brainwashed into "modesty", I have to admit that I support their right to wear their weird suits.

Honestly though, as a whole humanity focuses far too much on silly things, like banning clothing or forcing clothing.

:thumbsup: Thanks.
I have no issue if you don't like the Burkini. Sure, that is fine - everyone has opinions. But don't inhibit them from doing what they want, especially when there is no real concern/cause for it.

Anyways night Paige.

It is ALWAYS wrong to use your own views on how one should act to oppress another. I agree without a doubt.

Night Magomago!

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: magomago

she wanted modest, light, easy to wear clothes that would still let her swim and look appealing.

None of those models look appealing. In fact, they look ridiculous. The foolishness of religion strikes again. Everyone knows this.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

http://www.time.com/time/magaz...0,9171,1645145,00.html

Conservative Christians, cancer patients, burn victims and senior citizens, among others, have shown surprising interest. Joanne Martinez, 37, of San Clemente, Calif., bought a Hawaiian-print ensemble to stave off chills during late-night dips. Her mother Norma Suarez, 69, got a suit because her medications make her skin sun-sensitive. "We're both hooked," says Martinez. Meanwhile, Kathleen Petroff, 59, of Helendale, Calif., bought her Splashgear suit for a snorkeling trip, after weight gain from multiple-sclerosis treatment made her old suit unappealing. If not for Sabet's design, she says, "I would have missed swimming with the dolphins.

All of those seem like perfectly good reasons to wear such a costume.

But, the continued oppression of women based on religion and the insecurity of Muslim men? Not so much...

That said, banning their swimwear is also oppressive. Those women have every right to look ridiculous and remain oppressed, if they so choose.

Are standard diving/surfing wetsuits also banned?

 

[dahunan]

Any religion that restricts anything is retaded

It is about expression of the self as the god made it

Religions destroy individuality everyday and show their worthlessness and desire to just be instruments of control and oppression

Religion is a sickness that needs to be in the dsm iv as something akin to schizophrenia etc

 

[babylon5]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Any religion that restricts anything is retaded

It is about expression of the self as the god made it

Religions destroy individuality everyday and show their worthlessness and desire to just be instruments of control and oppression

Religion is a sickness that needs to be in the dsm iv as something akin to schizophrenia etc

:thumbsup:

 

[Double Trouble]

The whole "must cover up and dress modestly" idea is idiotic, but that has no bearing on this issue. The French have specific rules about attire at public pools for men and for women. For example, men can't wear baggy shorts into the pool, you must wear body fitting swimwear. I think those rules are dumb, but that's what the rules are for everyone. They are not rules singling out Muslims or women or any specific group. This woman wants to adhere to some backwards notion of what clothing is required, and she wants the French to change the rules that apply to everyone to suit her needs. No. You want to do something that doesn't conform to the rules of society, you are free to do it in your own pool, not a public one. If the majority of people in society think those rules are dumb, they can get rid of them, but until that happens, everyone is bound by them.

As an example, lets say my religion had a strict rule that anyone in the water must be naked or face the wrath of God, and I wanted to go swim. Public pools have rules stating that I must wear certain clothing. Does it make sense to whine and claim discrimination against my religion because I'm forced to wear something at the public pool? No, it doesn't, and neither does her whining make sense in this French case.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Double Trouble
The whole "must cover up and dress modestly" idea is idiotic, but that has no bearing on this issue. The French have specific rules about attire at public pools for men and for women. For example, men can't wear baggy shorts into the pool, you must wear body fitting swimwear. I think those rules are dumb, but that's what the rules are for everyone. They are not rules singling out Muslims or women or any specific group. This woman wants to adhere to some backwards notion of what clothing is required, and she wants the French to change the rules that apply to everyone to suit her needs. No. You want to do something that doesn't conform to the rules of society, you are free to do it in your own pool, not a public one. If the majority of people in society think those rules are dumb, they can get rid of them, but until that happens, everyone is bound by them.

As an example, lets say my religion had a strict rule that anyone in the water must be naked or face the wrath of God, and I wanted to go swim. Public pools have rules stating that I must wear certain clothing. Does it make sense to whine and claim discrimination against my religion because I'm forced to wear something at the public pool? No, it doesn't, and neither does her whining make sense in this French case.

This assumes there is no truth and law is whatever man says it is and everybody should go along. This would be like the Saudis saying women must cover up in public, that women who don't and get beaten deserve it because there is no natural right of free expression. I think you are full of well, you know. The comedy here in my opinion, is that the French and the Saudis are mirror images of each other.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: magomago

she wanted modest, light, easy to wear clothes that would still let her swim and look appealing.

None of those models look appealing. In fact, they look ridiculous. The foolishness of religion strikes again. Everyone knows this.

Everybody knows that you not only look ridiculous but that you are.