French officials decide that Buriki cannot be worn at a swimming pool, despite its design exclusively as swimwear

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: babylon5

Originally posted by: dahunan
Any religion that restricts anything is retaded

It is about expression of the self as the god made it

Religions destroy individuality everyday and show their worthlessness and desire to just be instruments of control and oppression

Religion is a sickness that needs to be in the dsm iv as something akin to schizophrenia etc

:thumbsup:

Take your bigoted anti-religious, religious view and shove it up your ass, you f-ing little Nazis. You are totally infected by the disease you describe and posses the amazing gift, additionally, of being brain-dead, oblivious to that fact.

 

[alchemize]

I just fapped.

 

[MadRat]

That's doesn't seem like a typical Moonbeam response. Did Red Dawn hijack your account?

The quip about the Saudi and French being alike is probably pretty close to the truth. Perhaps a little "Ishmael or Isaac?" going on?

 

[Grabo]

Originally posted by: magomago



You can go online and read about the lady's story and why she made it - where she wanted modest, light, easy to wear clothes that would still let her swim and look appealing.

Isn't the point of the clothing to not look appealing? Then again, skirting the rules is something most with a faith filled with rules do. And truly a religion must adapt in order to survive. All in all, I can't really see how this would be especially unsanitory, and if it enables more freedom for some women - grand.

Originally posted by: magomago

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nfZn...s320/burqini_polka.jpg

..She just came up through the tiled bathroom floor, didn't she? Flashing the smile that precedes one of her arms turning into a long sharp point with which she pierces your liver.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

http://www.time.com/time/magaz...0,9171,1645145,00.html

Conservative Christians, cancer patients, burn victims and senior citizens, among others, have shown surprising interest. Joanne Martinez, 37, of San Clemente, Calif., bought a Hawaiian-print ensemble to stave off chills during late-night dips. Her mother Norma Suarez, 69, got a suit because her medications make her skin sun-sensitive. "We're both hooked," says Martinez. Meanwhile, Kathleen Petroff, 59, of Helendale, Calif., bought her Splashgear suit for a snorkeling trip, after weight gain from multiple-sclerosis treatment made her old suit unappealing. If not for Sabet's design, she says, "I would have missed swimming with the dolphins.

All of those seem like perfectly good reasons to wear such a costume.

But, the continued oppression of women based on religion and the insecurity of Muslim men? Not so much...

That said, banning their swimwear is also oppressive. Those women have every right to look ridiculous and remain oppressed, if they so choose.

Are standard diving/surfing wetsuits also banned?

Best two lines in the best post in this thread yet. Cheers, SkinsFan! :thumbsup:

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
This would be like the Saudis saying women must cover up in public, that women who don't and get beaten deserve it because there is no natural right of free expression. [...] The comedy here in my opinion, is that the French and the Saudis are mirror images of each other.

All that said, Moonie, as a women, in which society would you want to live? Is it even close?

 

[PokerGuy]

OP: Glad the authorities told her to pound sand. The rules apply to everyone, including her. She wants a special exception just to suit her nutty ideas.

Also, the OP's title is flat out wrong. The French didn't decide anything about "Muslim women", they decided that the rules apply to everyone exactly the same.

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The comedy here in my opinion, is that the French and the Saudis are mirror images of each other.

:laugh: Yeah sure, comparing France and Saudi in terms of human rights and liberty. :laugh:

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: OCguy
This is why I laugh when sheltered liberal morons pretend the US is the most racist xenophobic country on the planet.


The French are more nationalistic than a Mississippian at a Nascar race.

Meh. The Mississippian would just as soon shoot the Muslim fer bein' a terrist who killed Jesus and done did 911. Banning attire not nearly as bad.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Yes, I think any woman stupid enough to be oppressed by jealous men through their religion is a moron.

I agree, but I also realise many women choose to dress modestly by their own will alone, both Muslims and otherwise.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I heard they don't want a lot of cloth in the water because it picks up too much dirt. A teeny weeny itty bitty bikini doesn't pick up much dirt or sand.

Skin picks up dirt and sand too, and showers wash it off.

I don't see how it's any different than my wet legs picking up lbs of sand when im on the beach. That's a stupid rationale for banning thing... but not really surprining, consing the country of origin.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: babylon5

Originally posted by: dahunan
Any religion that restricts anything is retaded

It is about expression of the self as the god made it

Religions destroy individuality everyday and show their worthlessness and desire to just be instruments of control and oppression

Religion is a sickness that needs to be in the dsm iv as something akin to schizophrenia etc

:thumbsup:

Take your bigoted anti-religious, religious view and shove it up your ass, you f-ing little Nazis. You are totally infected by the disease you describe and posses the amazing gift, additionally, of being brain-dead, oblivious to that fact.

This.
The ironing of anti-religious nuts wanting to push their anti-religion is just deeeelicious.

Also good to see you turned the volume down on your livejournalesque prose, moonbeam

 

[Martin]

"Burkini" is a portmanteau of "burka" and "bikini", not a play on words.


The more you know...

 

[Atreus21]

There's a severe lack of self-reflection among some on this thread. Is a religious edict requiring women to wear certain clothes any more dogmatic than to force them to wear what we deem acceptable?

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: magomago

Here are some pictures of females modeling a Burkini:
http://www.ahiida.com/img/prod...221-110-1248312971.jpg
http://www.ahiida.com/img/prod.../225-52-1248310589.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nfZn...s320/burkini_retro.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nfZn...s320/burqini_polka.jpg

Babe threads are not allowed!

Originally posted by: Perknose
It's 100% polyester, THAT'S why it's banned. The French have taste, you see.

:laugh:

But seriously, there are two separate issues here:
1. Public pool rules: They should apply to everyone equally. If the pool administrator truly thought the Burkini was "clothing" than he was justified in tossing her out. The article implies that his decision was based more on the government's stance on religion, but we don't know what the situation really was.

2. Government trying to restrict the rights of an individual for no reason other than that they believe in something not mainstream: That sucks. But they're French! Anything not French is inferior! Every Frenchman knows this, and who cares what non-French people think.

I'm too lazy to look it up. Does France have a Constitution or Bill of Rights similar to the U.S. in regards to guaranteeing certain rights?

 

[polarmystery]

More North Indian women, less South Indian women please!

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: babylon5

Originally posted by: dahunan
Any religion that restricts anything is retaded

It is about expression of the self as the god made it

Religions destroy individuality everyday and show their worthlessness and desire to just be instruments of control and oppression

Religion is a sickness that needs to be in the dsm iv as something akin to schizophrenia etc

:thumbsup:

Take your bigoted anti-religious, religious view and shove it up your ass, you f-ing little Nazis. You are totally infected by the disease you describe and posses the amazing gift, additionally, of being brain-dead, oblivious to that fact.

Why that hate towards your fellow human being? If you looked inside maybe you would realize that hate comes from the hatred of one's self. Don't hate yourself other wise you will pollute the sanctity of the outer being.

 

[Jaskalas]

The clothing should be considered on its own merits, do not bring Islam into it.

 

[actuarial]

I wonder if they would ban a woman wearing a full body racing swimsuit and a bathing cap. Seems that isn't too much different than the swimsuits these women want to wear.

If it is made of material appropriate for a pool, then let them freaking wear it.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: Perknose
It's 100% polyester, THAT'S why it's banned. The French have taste, you see.

Swimwear, not clothing baby

Originally posted by: babylon5
Bullshit. A woman's beautiful body should never be covered up.

And if she wants to cover it up?

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: magomago
Here are some pictures of females modeling a Burkini:
http://www.ahiida.com/img/prod...221-110-1248312971.jpg
http://www.ahiida.com/img/prod.../225-52-1248310589.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nfZn...s320/burkini_retro.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nfZn...s320/burqini_polka.jpg

WHY are their faces uncovered? Allah demands their death!

Originally posted by: TruePaige
I think people wearing clothes in the pool is retarded.

They are simply re-educating these morons.



Yes, I think any woman stupid enough to be oppressed by jealous men through their religion is a moron.

Except they aren't wearing clothes. And it sounds like these women want to wear it, men not withstanding.

Originally posted by: sandorski
I appreciate France's desire to eliminate Religious practises that make no reasonable sense. However, their methods are rather heavy handed.

Yes because none of the "secular" reasons in the time article that I cited make sense....right? And why the hell does it matter if its religious? Sandorski - you aren't promoting a free society. You are promoting the use of public power to eliminate religion. More general, you are promoting the authoritarian stamping out of ideas. Not a very liberal idea if you ask me. That "choice" element seems to dissapear, and its hard to argue that freedom exists when choice doesn't exist.

Complete Fail.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: OCguy
This is why I laugh when sheltered liberal morons pretend the US is the most racist xenophobic country on the planet.


The French are more nationalistic than a Mississippian at a Nascar race.

Meh. The Mississippian would just as soon shoot the Muslim fer bein' a terrist who killed Jesus and done did 911. Banning attire not nearly as bad.

:roll:

 

[WhipperSnapper]

France really screwed itself up by allowing all of these people to immigrate.

Perhaps one day the women who are treated like chattel will enjoy a feminist movement and burn their burkas.

 

[Kadarin]

In my opinion, one of the most fucked up things about Islam is the whole phobia it has about displaying the female form. Seriously, who the fuck thought covering up beautiful women was a good idea?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: Kadarin
In my opinion, one of the most fucked up things about Islam is the whole phobia it has about displaying the female form. Seriously, who the fuck thought covering up beautiful women was a good idea?

Centuries ago when these people rode around on camels, lopping each others' heads off with scimitars, it might have made sense. By covering up your women you are concealing the value of your property, reducing the chances that brigands would kidnap your most valuable women or want to do so.

The problem is that while the rest of the world advanced, these people continued to live under a 7th Century philosophy, which is what the burka represents.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Double Trouble
The whole "must cover up and dress modestly" idea is idiotic, but that has no bearing on this issue. The French have specific rules about attire at public pools for men and for women. For example, men can't wear baggy shorts into the pool, you must wear body fitting swimwear. I think those rules are dumb, but that's what the rules are for everyone. They are not rules singling out Muslims or women or any specific group. This woman wants to adhere to some backwards notion of what clothing is required, and she wants the French to change the rules that apply to everyone to suit her needs. No. You want to do something that doesn't conform to the rules of society, you are free to do it in your own pool, not a public one. If the majority of people in society think those rules are dumb, they can get rid of them, but until that happens, everyone is bound by them.

As an example, lets say my religion had a strict rule that anyone in the water must be naked or face the wrath of God, and I wanted to go swim. Public pools have rules stating that I must wear certain clothing. Does it make sense to whine and claim discrimination against my religion because I'm forced to wear something at the public pool? No, it doesn't, and neither does her whining make sense in this French case.

People can wear skimpy ass bikinis in a pool. They can wear a more full two piece suit. They can wear a single piece suit. I've seen women wear what looks like a very thin wetsuit as they swim.

I agree that clothing that is worn outside a pool shouldn't be worn inside a pool. But when a Muslim lady goes "Hmmm...I don't feel comfortable going into the pool in a two piece bikini because I feel it is too revealing....so let me try to work with swimming pool attire to make something that still lets me swim and maintain what I view as modesty", it somehow isn't swimwear, and it counts as clothing?
I would argue that 100% polyester, water proof, quick drying, light, chlorine resistant fabric is not attire that you wear outside a swimming pool.



Disagree. Living in a free society is about having the freedom of choice in the public arena.

Originally posted by: Grabo

Originally posted by: magomago



You can go online and read about the lady's story and why she made it - where she wanted modest, light, easy to wear clothes that would still let her swim and look appealing.

Isn't the point of the clothing to not look appealing? Then again, skirting the rules is something most with a faith filled with rules do. And truly a religion must adapt in order to survive. All in all, I can't really see how this would be especially unsanitory, and if it enables more freedom for some women - grand.

Originally posted by: magomago

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nfZn...s320/burqini_polka.jpg

..She just came up through the tiled bathroom floor, didn't she? Flashing the smile that precedes one of her arms turning into a long sharp point with which she pierces your liver.

I don't know what the hell you were taught when you grow up, but clothing is to make people MORE appealing. Take the average American, remove their clothes, and tell me if they look more appealing with or without clothing. Have you heard of 'dressing up'.
Also, this is not skirting religion at all within Islam. It simply shows that you probably haven't read the Quran, or you don't know much about Islam.

As for your bolded comment...seriously. I think the shit that some kid took in a pool about a month ago in one the pool complex I went too is more unsanitory (luckily it was in the children's only pool)

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
This would be like the Saudis saying women must cover up in public, that women who don't and get beaten deserve it because there is no natural right of free expression. [...] The comedy here in my opinion, is that the French and the Saudis are mirror images of each other.

All that said, Moonie, as a women, in which society would you want to live? Is it even close?

So we must pick a theoretical answer based on two extremes in this specific situation? If that is the case, then I choose the USA.

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
OP: Glad the authorities told her to pound sand. The rules apply to everyone, including her. She wants a special exception just to suit her nutty ideas.

Also, the OP's title is flat out wrong. The French didn't decide anything about "Muslim women", they decided that the rules apply to everyone exactly the same.

My title isn't wrong at all. Read the article, employ some critical thinking, and understand that they banned her swimwear on a ludicrous basis.

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The comedy here in my opinion, is that the French and the Saudis are mirror images of each other.

:laugh: Yeah sure, comparing France and Saudi in terms of human rights and liberty. :laugh:

Here said...HERE. And in this instance, the "liberty" seems to be missing.

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: OCguy
This is why I laugh when sheltered liberal morons pretend the US is the most racist xenophobic country on the planet.


The French are more nationalistic than a Mississippian at a Nascar race.

Meh. The Mississippian would just as soon shoot the Muslim fer bein' a terrist who killed Jesus and done did 911. Banning attire not nearly as bad.

Bullshit and nice constant stereotyping.

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Yes, I think any woman stupid enough to be oppressed by jealous men through their religion is a moron.

I agree, but I also realise many women choose to dress modestly by their own will alone, both Muslims and otherwise.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I heard they don't want a lot of cloth in the water because it picks up too much dirt. A teeny weeny itty bitty bikini doesn't pick up much dirt or sand.

Skin picks up dirt and sand too, and showers wash it off.

I don't see how it's any different than my wet legs picking up lbs of sand when im on the beach. That's a stupid rationale for banning thing... but not really surprining, consing the country of origin.

:thumbsup:

Originally posted by: Atreus21
There's a severe lack of self-reflection among some on this thread. Is a religious edict requiring women to wear certain clothes any more dogmatic than to force them to wear what we deem acceptable?

:thumbsup:
Btw the Burkini isn't specifically mentioned at all in the Quran This whole 'bikini' revolution that ocurred when it came out pretty much left more conservative women/women in Muslim socities entirely left out of swimming in public. sure you can disagree, again I have no problem here if you think its wrong to wear it, so as long as you support one's right to wear it. Glad we can agree Atreus

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: magomago

Here are some pictures of females modeling a Burkini:
http://www.ahiida.com/img/prod...221-110-1248312971.jpg
http://www.ahiida.com/img/prod.../225-52-1248310589.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nfZn...s320/burkini_retro.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nfZn...s320/burqini_polka.jpg

Babe threads are not allowed!

Originally posted by: Perknose
It's 100% polyester, THAT'S why it's banned. The French have taste, you see.

:laugh:

But seriously, there are two separate issues here:
1. Public pool rules: They should apply to everyone equally. If the pool administrator truly thought the Burkini was "clothing" than he was justified in tossing her out. The article implies that his decision was based more on the government's stance on religion, but we don't know what the situation really was.

2. Government trying to restrict the rights of an individual for no reason other than that they believe in something not mainstream: That sucks. But they're French! Anything not French is inferior! Every Frenchman knows this, and who cares what non-French people think.

I'm too lazy to look it up. Does France have a Constitution or Bill of Rights similar to the U.S. in regards to guaranteeing certain rights?

go to the original Ahiida sites and you can get a close zoom up on the models in a flash drive program Talk about babe threads

1. Yes we don't know exactly. But the results are clear. We'll see what happens. Now just because a person truly believes they were right, just it justify their tossing them out? What is his argument going to be "It looked like clothing"? Its already shown not to be clothing

2. France imo, like many other places in this world, is a mix of good and bad. I applaud how their population will stand up and challange their government in a way we would never...but their government has to be filled with idiots as they try to restrict the freedoms of others while going around saying "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity".

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
The clothing should be considered on its own merits, do not bring Islam into it.

In a ideal world, yes. How would you consider it based on the merits of the swimear? There were some pictures, as well as a description of the material that it is made from.

Originally posted by: actuarial
I wonder if they would ban a woman wearing a full body racing swimsuit and a bathing cap. Seems that isn't too much different than the swimsuits these women want to wear.

If it is made of material appropriate for a pool, then let them freaking wear it.

:thumbsup:

Originally posted by: sandorski

Complete Fail.

Come on Sandorski, you can do better than that. I respect you here even if i don't agree with you on these points, and a single two word response is something that you are better than.

 

[AshPhoenix]

Modest female clothing is not restricted to Islam, look at how nuns are dressed. I've read about a Jewish sect whose women cover their hair and are required to dress modestly too.