Fresno State Professor Throws Some Shade on Barbara Bush

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Ok, this is very similar to the Google situation where the employee got fired.

Should this professor be fired because it looks like a possibility right now. The ACLU is making noises that it might intervene if she gets fired.

To equate this to what the google employee posted is.... incredibly asinine. One is a personal attack (albeit, still an opinion) on a dead person. The other is an engineer that was actually giving advice to his employer. Obviously, not everyone agreed with him - but he was actually a part of a company group that was trying to be more diverse and they were asking for opinions on the matter. He gave his. It didn't attack anyone.

Note: I did not state that either should have been fired, I agree that neither should... Just emphasizing that this is nothing like the Google employee.
 

Starbuck1975

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It is curious, isn't it, how this obscure person's personal tweets became front page news. I bet a complete synopsis of how this thing went from Twitter to the New York Post would essentially be a blueprint for how the right wing rage factory works. I would love it if someone that was good at forensics took it on. I would pay money to see the results.
There is nothing curious about the media picking up on a college professor rather outlandishly disrespecting a former First Lady just after her passing.
 
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Right. lol. That wasn't a misquote.
Technically those words were said in that order (that wasn’t the entire sentence) within a sentence within a broader explanation. What the right ignores, as usual, is the context within which they were said.
 

pcgeek11

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Technically those words were said in that order (that wasn’t the entire sentence) within a sentence within a broader explanation. What the right ignores, as usual, is the context within which they were said.

This is a misquote as was originally stated in the post and isn't the right words or what was even said. It wasn't even the correct stadium, they were in the Houston Astrodome not the Superdome which is in New Orleans.

"Those people' should feel lucky, the Superdome is much nicer than 'they're' used to."

This is what was actually said:

"And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this, this is working very well for them"

What Nancy Pelosi was quoted as saying true and accurate. What you are saying is an interpretation of what she meant.

Two different things.
 
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This is a misquote as was originally stated in the post and isn't the right words or what was even said. It wasn't even the correct stadium, they were in the Houston Astrodome not the Superdome which is in New Orleans.

"Those people' should feel lucky, the Superdome is much nicer than 'they're' used to."

This is what was actually said:

"And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this, this is working very well for them"

What Nancy Pelosi was quoted as saying true and accurate. What you are saying is an interpretation of what she meant.

Two different things.
Uhhh no. This is the entirety of what she said. In context.

Imagine an economy where people could follow their aspirations, where they could be entrepreneurial, where they could take risks professionally because personally their families [sic] health care needs are being met. Where they could be self-employed or start a business, not be job-locked in a job because they have health care there, and if they went out on their own it would be unaffordable to them, but especially true, if someone has a child with a pre-existing condition. So when we pass our bill, never again will people be denied coverage because they have a pre-existing condition.

We have to do this in partnership, and I wanted to bring [you] up to date on where we see it from here. The final health care legislation that will soon be passed by Congress will deliver successful reform at the local level. It will offer paid for investments that will improve health care services and coverage for millions more Americans. It will make significant investments in innovation, prevention, wellness and offer robust support for public health infrastructure. It will dramatically expand investments into community health centers. That means a dramatic expansion in the number of patients community health centers can see and ultimately healthier communities. Our bill will significantly reduce uncompensated care for hospitals.

You’ve heard about the controversies within the bill, the process about the bill, one or the other. But I don’t know if you have heard that it is legislation for the future, not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America, where preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible for or out of pocket. Prevention, prevention, prevention–it’s about diet, not diabetes. It’s going to be very, very exciting.

But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.
 

pcgeek11

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OK, I get your point. However she stated her interpretation of what she wanted the bill to be then said,

"But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy."

So the quote is a bit off but the meaning remains, that they need to pass the bill in order for the public to see what is in it for them in real time.

Means pretty much the same for me as most people had no idea what was in the bill until well after it was passed. And a great deal of what was pushed was BS anyway. You can keep your doctor / healthcare plan etc...
 

Starbuck1975

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Yes, because the opinion of one prof out of over 1.6 million post secondary faculty is *real* and *serious* news.
In the age of social media, anything can trend or go viral. College professors, soldiers, police, teachers, etc. are often held to a higher standard of behavior as it relates to free speech.

No one put a gun to her head and made her Tweet about Barbara Bush. She wanted attention. She got it.
 

mect

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Why should I? It's a baiting thing with you and it is off the topic at hand.
And it would make you face your hypocrisy, but keep focusing on the other two. It keeps the cognitive dissonance to a minimum.
 

Chaotic42

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I don't know what to make of this whole thing. What she said was useless, hurtful, and she didn't provide any proof of her claims, but I don't like the idea of people being easily fired for their personal opinions unless they make it impossible for the person to do their job faithfully. Claiming she can't get fired was another level of stupid because it puts her employer in a bad situation. My understanding is that tenure was designed to protect radical ideas that were being researched. I don't know if that extends to an English professor ranting about a former First Lady.

I just don't like the idea of an employer being able to control what employees say when it doesn't involve proprietary or classified information. Sure, it's easy to want to drop the hammer on her for these comments, but something more mundane? I don't like where that path leads.
 

Lanyap

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Yes, because the opinion of one prof out of over 1.6 million post secondary faculty is *real* and *serious* news.

Apparently so, according to the Fresno Bee. They were the first ones to report it within hours of the profs tweet. She has a lot of hate speech in her.


http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article209197719.html
Fresno State professor stirs outrage, calls Barbara Bush an 'amazing racist'
BY BRYANT-JON ANTEOLA
April 17, 2018 09:13 PM
Updated April 18, 2018 04:05 PM

A Fresno State professor called former first lady Barbara Bush an “amazing racist” who raised a “war criminal,” and expressed no concern that she could be fired or reprimanded for her outspokenness on social media.
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Jarrar’s tweet generated more than 2,000 replies back to her, with many upset at her and tagging Fresno State and University President Joseph Castro in their comments.


http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/education/article209227364.html
Professor's tweet about Barbara Bush was 'beyond free speech,' Fresno State president says
BY ALEKSANDRA APPLETON
April 18, 2018 11:03 AM
Updated April 19, 2018 08:59 AM

All options are on the table in dealing with the Fresno State professor who called Barbara Bush "an amazing racist" shortly after the former first lady died, university president Joseph Castro said Wednesday.

"A professor with tenure does not have blanket protection to say and do what they wish," he said. "We are all held accountable for our actions."

Castro declined to comment specifically on how the university may handle Randa Jarrar's case, citing personnel matters. But he did say the next steps for the university include reviewing all the facts, as well as the faculty's collective bargaining agreement.


http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/education/article209356364.html
What are Fresno State's options to deal with the professor who did the Barbara Bush tweet?
BY ALEKSANDRA APPLETON
April 19, 2018 04:02 PM
Updated April 20, 2018 01:18 PM

In the aftermath of Randa Jarrar's controversial tweets about Barbara Bush, people are asking whether Fresno State can fire the professor for her comments.

Jarrar didn't seem to think so Tuesday night, as she tweeted about her tenure and salary: "Sweetie I work as a tenured professor. I make 100k a year doing that. I will never be fired."

To attorney Ken White, the question of whether she can be fired has a simple, two-part answer: Her speech is protected speech. But that doesn't mean she wins.
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http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article209454829.html
'Your kids masturbate' and other provocative lines from Fresno State professor's talks
BY MACKENZIE MAYS
April 20, 2018 03:41 PM
Updated April 21, 2018 10:28 AM

A video circulated by people identifying with the alt-right presents a compilation of often obscenity-laced moments from Fresno State professor Randa Jarrar's interviews and speeches.

The university is investigating the conduct of Jarrar, an award-winning author, who posted to Twitter that Barbara Bush was an "amazing racist" hours after the former first lady's death was announced Tuesday. On Friday, university officials including president Joseph Castro, received a link to the compilation video, sent via the email address Altrightnews. The video was posted to YouTube on Wednesday by a new user named Vigilant Goose.
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Who gives a fuck. Unknown prof from small college shoots her mouth off on Twtter and America goes nuts. It's nothing but click bait 'journalism'.

Your country is rapidly flushing itself down the toilet and this is what folks get riled at? Truly pathetic.
 

Lanyap

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Who gives a fuck. Unknown prof from small college shoots her mouth off on Twtter and America goes nuts. It's nothing but click bait 'journalism'.

Your country is rapidly flushing itself down the toilet and this is what folks get riled at? Truly pathetic.


Apparently you give a fuck since your posting in this thread.
 
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She's not losing her job

"Immediately following Professor Jarrar’s tweets last Tuesday, we carefully reviewed the facts and consulted with CSU counsel to determine whether we could take disciplinary action. After completing this process, we have concluded that Professor Jarrar did not violate any CSU or university policies and that she was acting in a private capacity and speaking about a public matter on her personal Twitter account. Her comments, although disgraceful, are protected free speech under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Additionally, although Professor Jarrar used tenure to defend her behavior, this private action is an issue of free speech and not related to her job or tenure. Therefore, the university does not have justification to support taking any disciplinary action. Professor Jarrar will remain on leave through the Spring semester, which she had previously requested before this incident. This matter has highlighted some important issues that deserve further consultation with our academic leadership."

http://www.fresnostatenews.com/2018...-on-conclusion-of-review-regarding-professor/
 

JEDIYoda

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Yeah but you have to admit if your into chubby women , she would be a pretty good catch........
 
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