Friend is pissing me off.

MrMatt

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I've got this friend, we've known each other almost a decade, we're both in our mid/late twenties. I hang out with him because 50% of the great times I've had in my teens/early twenties came when we would hang out, and vice versa. He's a chill guy to hang out with. But the problem is he's an absolute sociopath at times. He always used to casually throws his friends under the bus with girls..you?d never even know he was doing it he does it so nonchalantly. . Later on he?d actually say things like, ?sorry?I mean?I didn?t know hooking up with the girl you?re taking to prom when she was drunk would piss you off?. And he?d be serious. I assume he's outgrown this, for the most part.

He also used to make plans early in the day with 3 different groups of people. He?d pick the group he felt like hanging out with, then call people from the other 2 and say something like ?yeah I?m tired, I?m just gonna go to sleep?. Then the next day if he saw anyone from the 2 groups he ditched he?d say something like, ?oh yeah man last night was crazy at this party?.

Now over the last year or two I thought he'd outgrown it. So when a room came up in the 3-man apartment I live in, I figured I'd ask if he was interested. He lives with 2 other friends of ours but expressed an interest in mixing it up and living elsewhere. 3 weeks ago he says "I like the guys I live with now but I'm sick of living with them....so yeah I looked for apartments as cheap as the one you live in, but they're all in awful neighborhoods, so if the offer still stands I'll take the room at your place. When can I move in?" I told him cool, the lease would be coming in a few weeks. So the lease comes...I tell him...and now he's doing the same shit again. He's like "oooh I think I may just stay put. I think I like it here fine. I don't think I ever actually said that I would take that room at your place anyway". Again he does this without any anger in his voice, just casually. I tell him, no, you definitely said it, I remember your specific words. He says, "oh well...sorry. Not sure what to tell you".

AAAAAAARG. I figured that by his mid-20s he'd outgrow this sociopathic, no-remorse, no-guilt screwing friends over shit. I'm pissed off because even though we have a blast when we hang out, the guy clearly can't be counted on STILL, but I don't feel like I can trust him or be his friend anymore if he seriously fucks me & my other room mate over after saying emphatically that he would take the room at our place. Now we don't have a 3rd man and might lose this apartment.

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Gothgar

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wait, so it is his fault you have an opening for a roommate?

get over yourself
 

esun

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You apparently haven't learned your lesson when dealing with this person. I have no problems being friends with unreliable people, but I damn well know they are unreliable and don't trust them to do anything. Hanging out is one thing; expecting someone to be responsible enough to sign a lease and stick with it is another.
 

CatchPhrase

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Hit it like the fist of a mildly dissatisfied butler from the grave... its one of the many ways to win her heart.
 

MrMatt

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Originally posted by: esun
You apparently haven't learned your lesson when dealing with this person. I have no problems being friends with unreliable people, but I damn well know they are unreliable and don't trust them to do anything. Hanging out is one thing; expecting someone to be responsible enough to sign a lease and stick with it is another.

yeah you're definitely right. I thought over the last couple years he had outgrown all that crap, he hadn't really done it much over the last 18 months or so, if at all. But then it flares up in the worst way. Guess people don't change.



Originally posted by: Gothgar
wait, so it is his fault you have an opening for a roommate?

get over yourself

? We had an opening, he committed to taking it. He backed out at last minute.
 

chitwood

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Really don't have the patience for people like that. Remove him from your social life.
 
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I have friends like that and I would never in a billion years try to move into an apartment with them. Unreliable people don't change.
 

K1052

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I'm baffled why you expected anything different after knowing him that long.

I have a couple "acquaintances" like that. I don't consider them friends because friends don't behave like selfish assholes toward you 24/7/365.
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: MrMatt
Originally posted by: esun
You apparently haven't learned your lesson when dealing with this person. I have no problems being friends with unreliable people, but I damn well know they are unreliable and don't trust them to do anything. Hanging out is one thing; expecting someone to be responsible enough to sign a lease and stick with it is another.

yeah you're definitely right. I thought over the last couple years he had outgrown all that crap, he hadn't really done it much over the last 18 months or so, if at all. But then it flares up in the worst way. Guess people don't change.

Sometimes people do change, but if he's already established a reputation as being an arse, then you should continue to consider him an arse (and never rely upon him for anything) until he's established beyond all doubt that he has in fact grown up. You have to protect your own interests first, and if he's ruined his own reputation, the burden is on him to prove he's fixed it - never assume he's grown until he's proven it.
 

olds

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You knew he was a flake but you still tried to steal him and have him all for yourself at the new place? Psycho/gay.

:laugh:
 

Pheran

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Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
I have friends like that and I would never in a billion years try to move into an apartment with them. Unreliable people don't change.

No kidding, you should be thanking your lucky stars he backed out before moving in with you.
 

thepd7

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Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
You knew he was a flake but you still tried to steal him and have him all for yourself at the new place? Psycho/gay.

:laugh:

this
 

alkemyst

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TL;DR, but if you guys somehow messed around last night the day after is way too soon to be expecting a call.

You're going to scare him away.
 

JS80

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He's given you plenty of chance to drop him as a friend yet you're still friends with him hmmm...
 

AstroManLuca

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Originally posted by: Pheran
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
I have friends like that and I would never in a billion years try to move into an apartment with them. Unreliable people don't change.

No kidding, you should be thanking your lucky stars he backed out before moving in with you.

This.

Most of my high school friends (the ones who aren't in different states/countries) are very unreliable people too. I made new friends. It really is astounding, actually, how nice it is to be friends with a reliable person if you're used to befriending flakes. I'll call one of my new friends to make arrangements and then call again just before I leave and again when I get there to make sure everything is still going according to plan, and it's not necessary because they are responsible enough to not ditch me and to let me know ahead of time if they're canceling. It's like a breath of fresh air not to have to do all the planning for everyone when it comes to social gatherings.
 

PingSpike

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Why would he change? You keep putting up with his shit so its not like there's any consequences.

Sorry. I'd probably just put him in the "meh" friend camp and never put myself in a position where I had to rely on him.
 

Saint Nick

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Ha!

I have a lot of unreliable friends, but not in your sense. A lot of my "unreliable" friends tend to be more flaky than anything. They make plans then bail. CONSTANTLY. In fact I'm moving in with two of them

Mistake? Oh probably, but at least the rent is cheap.
 
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