Friend just bought a GTO...

[dman]

I really like the GTO Drivetrain, but, the looks dept leaves a lot to be desired. It brings back NO memories of GTO's of past. On the plus side they didn't go overboard with the pointiac air-inlets as they have an nearly all the other sports cars of late.

It's a step in the right direction for GM but they can and should do better.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: Klixxer
It is strange that my old 911 handles so much better than any new corvette i have tried.

No, i don't have the time to read any magazines so i don't i do, however, follow the industry.

And on a twisty course the 911 Carerra would own the Corvette so badly it wouldn't even be funny, the Corvette has improved but it is still a bitch to drive, when it let's go you WILL spin it, with the 911 Carerra you can drive hard into the curves, brake and max in the middle, try to do that with a vette. No, actually, don't i don't want your family to have to mourn you.

In short, i have driven both cars and i own a 911 turbo, the 911 turbo that i own has better handling than the vette but still not very good.

What are you arguing exactly? Steering and suspension feel? Those are subjective and will vary from person to person. Of course your old 911 will outhandle the Corvette around a tight parking lot track because it's lighter and smaller.

The bottom line is, the Corvette's sheer power will beat quite a few vehicles around a road course where the engine gets to stretch it's legs. I recommend watching the Top Gear episode where they road test the C6. They bashed virtually everything about it - steering feel, suspension setup, interior fit/finish. When it was all said and done it still smoked around their test track.

No, i am not arguing any numbers, dry road and high speeds, you try to get that corvette back on track when the back wheels let go.

You can easily drive my old 911 turbo with spinning back whees going 100+ in the twisties.

It doesn't handle very well but it is 10x better than the vette.

So now you admit the Vette does handle better?

I have driven Porches, Vettes, etc... and the new base Vette is better then the currnet base 911. I have driven them both and know the Vette will win if everythign else is equal. I know this from driving and knowing the specs of both.

Now get off it fanboy.

LOL, no.

The vette isn't even close when it comes to driving an road race in the twist and turns, you have to go so much slower because if it DOES let go, then you are going off the road, i could drive the Porshe with skid all the way from here to Dresden without problems, it handles so smoothly that if you make a mistake, just learn how it is fixed and if you know, just floor it and stear.

You can go full force into a curve, hit the brake and floor it to REALLY make it skid on purpose and it is still easy to get out of that curve real fast without going off the road.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
No, i am not arguing any numbers, dry road and high speeds, you try to get that corvette back on track when the back wheels let go.

You can easily drive my old 911 turbo with spinning back whees going 100+ in the twisties.

It doesn't handle very well but it is 10x better than the vette.

Then what are you arguing about exactly? Pardon my skepticism, but have you let the rear end loose at 100+mph in either vehicle? Powersliding can often times be a function of tire design as much as anything else.

Let's simplify the argument, shall we? Let's give a professional driver some lap time in both a 911 (new or old, I'll let you decide) and a C6. Give said driver some time to post the best time he possibly can around a road course that has it's share of tight corners and sweeping high speed bends.

Which do you suppose would lap quicker? I'll give you hint, it rhymes with Corvette. You can argue "handling" all you want, but the proof is in the pudding.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Transition

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: Klixxer
It is strange that my old 911 handles so much better than any new corvette i have tried.

No, i don't have the time to read any magazines so i don't i do, however, follow the industry.

And on a twisty course the 911 Carerra would own the Corvette so badly it wouldn't even be funny, the Corvette has improved but it is still a bitch to drive, when it let's go you WILL spin it, with the 911 Carerra you can drive hard into the curves, brake and max in the middle, try to do that with a vette. No, actually, don't i don't want your family to have to mourn you.

In short, i have driven both cars and i own a 911 turbo, the 911 turbo that i own has better handling than the vette but still not very good.

What are you arguing exactly? Steering and suspension feel? Those are subjective and will vary from person to person. Of course your old 911 will outhandle the Corvette around a tight parking lot track because it's lighter and smaller.

The bottom line is, the Corvette's sheer power will beat quite a few vehicles around a road course where the engine gets to stretch it's legs. I recommend watching the Top Gear episode where they road test the C6. They bashed virtually everything about it - steering feel, suspension setup, interior fit/finish. When it was all said and done it still smoked around their test track.

No, i am not arguing any numbers, dry road and high speeds, you try to get that corvette back on track when the back wheels let go.

You can easily drive my old 911 turbo with spinning back whees going 100+ in the twisties.

It doesn't handle very well but it is 10x better than the vette.

So now you admit the Vette does handle better?

I have driven Porches, Vettes, etc... and the new base Vette is better then the currnet base 911. I have driven them both and know the Vette will win if everythign else is equal. I know this from driving and knowing the specs of both.

Now get off it fanboy.

You call him a fanboy. :Q Funny stuff there.

It goes beyond the era of Fanboy. I think Klixxer is declaring Jihad on the Corvette.

A German Jew declaring Jihad on an American car?

LOL, it's a "fun" car, but to compare it to a Porsche when it comes to handling is just silly.

 

[imported_Pablo]

***OFFICIAL***

This thread has been HIJACKED!

New Klixxered topic:

My Old Porsche is better than a new Corvette
OR
I agree with the "American Car = Crap" sterotype.

 

[MikeMike]

http://www.topgear.com/content/misc/TV/lap_times/

and the corvette put up a 1:26.8 lap time, now look where that puts it, OH SH!T it beats out a 911 GT3.

and that was with a burned out clutch, bald tires, and just about everything beat to hell and back.

OMG what has this world come to!

MIKE

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
http://www.topgear.com/content/misc/TV/lap_times/

and the corvette put up a 1:26.8 lap time, now look where that puts it, OH SH!T it beats out a 911 GT3.

and that was with a burned out clutch, bald tires, and just about everything beat to hell and back.

OMG what has this world come to!

MIKE

They timed the GT3 on a wet track.

Text

From your previous posts in here, I know what kind of cars you're a fan of so I'm not even going to get in a bitching match about this is this and this is that. But I really wish Top Gear would indicate it on their list or just test all cars in the dry only.

 

[JDub02]

poor klixxer .. doesn't want to admit his precious porsche gets whooped by a $38k invoice car.

yep, invoice = $38,014

suck on that porsche

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
http://www.topgear.com/content/misc/TV/lap_times/

and the corvette put up a 1:26.8 lap time, now look where that puts it, OH SH!T it beats out a 911 GT3.

and that was with a burned out clutch, bald tires, and just about everything beat to hell and back.

OMG what has this world come to!

MIKE

They timed the GT3 on a wet track.

Text

From your previous posts in here, I know what kind of cars you're a fan of so I'm not even going to get in a bitching match about this is this and this is that. But I really wish Top Gear would indicate it on their list or just test all cars in the dry only.

o yea, forgot. but he was comparing the car to a regular 911 which ends up with a 1:31 second lap time, a full 4 seconds slower than the C6. and he was saying that the 911 could whoop up on it.

i may be a fan of a lot of domestic cars more than others on here, but i jsut try to keep it to facts and the fact is his opinion is proved wrong. i dont think the 911 was on a wet track.

MIKE

 

[JDub02]

Originally posted by: bR

They timed the GT3 on a wet track.

Text

From your previous posts in here, I know what kind of cars you're a fan of so I'm not even going to get in a bitching match about this is this and this is that. But I really wish Top Gear would indicate it on their list or just test all cars in the dry only.

It shouldn't matter, since Klixxer has told us that the Corvette is POS. Handicapping the 911 would make sense since it is the perfect car.


editors note: sarcasm meter reading 100%

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: bR

They timed the GT3 on a wet track.

Text

From your previous posts in here, I know what kind of cars you're a fan of so I'm not even going to get in a bitching match about this is this and this is that. But I really wish Top Gear would indicate it on their list or just test all cars in the dry only.

It shouldn't matter, since Klixxer has told us that the Corvette is POS. Handicapping the 911 would make sense since it is the perfect car.


editors note: sarcasm meter reading 100%

*sigh* exaggerate much?

It does matter, of course as the Corvette would have been about ten-fifteen seconds slower on a wet track, that is WHERE the handling comes into play.

Most experts agree on one thing, there is not one car in the world with handling even close to the GT3.

Yes, it is a lot better than the Corvette, that is a fact, that does not mean the corvette isn't a good car though, it just handles likea jet on ice.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: bR

They timed the GT3 on a wet track.

Text

From your previous posts in here, I know what kind of cars you're a fan of so I'm not even going to get in a bitching match about this is this and this is that. But I really wish Top Gear would indicate it on their list or just test all cars in the dry only.

It shouldn't matter, since Klixxer has told us that the Corvette is POS. Handicapping the 911 would make sense since it is the perfect car.


editors note: sarcasm meter reading 100%

*sigh* exaggerate much?

It does matter, of course as the Corvette would have been about ten-fifteen seconds slower on a wet track, that is WHERE the handling comes into play.

Most experts agree on one thing, there is not one car in the world with handling even close to the GT3.

Yes, it is a lot better than the Corvette, that is a fact, that does not mean the corvette isn't a good car though, it just handles likea jet on ice.

Hey watch it you're treading on Ferrari territory here...

 

[BW86]

tell your friend not to get a blower on his gto tell him to get the new vortech supercharger. its 5686.50 and its rated at 481HP and 435 lb/ft Torque at the crank on a stock gto.

 

[RiDE]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: bR

They timed the GT3 on a wet track.

Text

From your previous posts in here, I know what kind of cars you're a fan of so I'm not even going to get in a bitching match about this is this and this is that. But I really wish Top Gear would indicate it on their list or just test all cars in the dry only.

It shouldn't matter, since Klixxer has told us that the Corvette is POS. Handicapping the 911 would make sense since it is the perfect car.


editors note: sarcasm meter reading 100%

*sigh* exaggerate much?

It does matter, of course as the Corvette would have been about ten-fifteen seconds slower on a wet track, that is WHERE the handling comes into play.

Most experts agree on one thing, there is not one car in the world with handling even close to the GT3.

Yes, it is a lot better than the Corvette, that is a fact, that does not mean the corvette isn't a good car though, it just handles likea jet on ice.

Looks to me like you're the one exagerating. Jet on ice? Not one car in the world with handling even close to the GT3?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: bR

They timed the GT3 on a wet track.

Text

From your previous posts in here, I know what kind of cars you're a fan of so I'm not even going to get in a bitching match about this is this and this is that. But I really wish Top Gear would indicate it on their list or just test all cars in the dry only.

It shouldn't matter, since Klixxer has told us that the Corvette is POS. Handicapping the 911 would make sense since it is the perfect car.


editors note: sarcasm meter reading 100%

*sigh* exaggerate much?

It does matter, of course as the Corvette would have been about ten-fifteen seconds slower on a wet track, that is WHERE the handling comes into play.

Most experts agree on one thing, there is not one car in the world with handling even close to the GT3.

Yes, it is a lot better than the Corvette, that is a fact, that does not mean the corvette isn't a good car though, it just handles likea jet on ice.

Hey watch it you're treading on Ferrari territory here...

I don't think i am, but otoh i haven't driven any ferraris except the 328 GTS and i wouldn't say that the handling was even near as good as a GT3RS.


There are two ways of driving, one is to go with the skid and use the gas for steering, that means time losses but it IS fun to drive like that, i drive my old 911 turbo like that and it was meant to be driven like that.

When it comes to newer cars, the GT3RS is state of the art, perfectly balanced, perfect steering, i have driven one, not for long but i got the feel for it, i will buy one if i can ever afford one.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: RiDE

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: bR

They timed the GT3 on a wet track.

Text

From your previous posts in here, I know what kind of cars you're a fan of so I'm not even going to get in a bitching match about this is this and this is that. But I really wish Top Gear would indicate it on their list or just test all cars in the dry only.

It shouldn't matter, since Klixxer has told us that the Corvette is POS. Handicapping the 911 would make sense since it is the perfect car.


editors note: sarcasm meter reading 100%

*sigh* exaggerate much?

It does matter, of course as the Corvette would have been about ten-fifteen seconds slower on a wet track, that is WHERE the handling comes into play.

Most experts agree on one thing, there is not one car in the world with handling even close to the GT3.

Yes, it is a lot better than the Corvette, that is a fact, that does not mean the corvette isn't a good car though, it just handles likea jet on ice.

Looks to me like you're the one exagerating. Jet on ice? Not one car in the world with handling even close to the GT3?

Yeah, you are right, i apologize for that, there are a select few cars which cost from 2x-10x what the GT3 costs that are comparable.

The corvette still handles like a jet on ice, when you loose your grip, it is over.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: bR

They timed the GT3 on a wet track.

Text

From your previous posts in here, I know what kind of cars you're a fan of so I'm not even going to get in a bitching match about this is this and this is that. But I really wish Top Gear would indicate it on their list or just test all cars in the dry only.

It shouldn't matter, since Klixxer has told us that the Corvette is POS. Handicapping the 911 would make sense since it is the perfect car.


editors note: sarcasm meter reading 100%

*sigh* exaggerate much?

It does matter, of course as the Corvette would have been about ten-fifteen seconds slower on a wet track, that is WHERE the handling comes into play.

Most experts agree on one thing, there is not one car in the world with handling even close to the GT3.

Yes, it is a lot better than the Corvette, that is a fact, that does not mean the corvette isn't a good car though, it just handles likea jet on ice.

Hey watch it you're treading on Ferrari territory here...

I don't think i am, but otoh i haven't driven any ferraris except the 328 GTS and i wouldn't say that the handling was even near as good as a GT3RS.

That's not fair... 328 vs GT3RS... That's almost 15 years apart...

Anyway this handling thing is a subjective matter... and I'm not one to talk anyway.

So IMHO 360CS > *

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: bR

They timed the GT3 on a wet track.

Text

From your previous posts in here, I know what kind of cars you're a fan of so I'm not even going to get in a bitching match about this is this and this is that. But I really wish Top Gear would indicate it on their list or just test all cars in the dry only.

It shouldn't matter, since Klixxer has told us that the Corvette is POS. Handicapping the 911 would make sense since it is the perfect car.


editors note: sarcasm meter reading 100%

*sigh* exaggerate much?

It does matter, of course as the Corvette would have been about ten-fifteen seconds slower on a wet track, that is WHERE the handling comes into play.

Most experts agree on one thing, there is not one car in the world with handling even close to the GT3.

Yes, it is a lot better than the Corvette, that is a fact, that does not mean the corvette isn't a good car though, it just handles likea jet on ice.

Hey watch it you're treading on Ferrari territory here...

I don't think i am, but otoh i haven't driven any ferraris except the 328 GTS and i wouldn't say that the handling was even near as good as a GT3RS.

That's not fair... 328 vs GT3RS... That's almost 15 years apart...

Anyway this handling thing is a subjective matter... and I'm not one to talk anyway.

So IMHO 360CS > *

I agree that it isn't fair, however it is more "fun" to drive the 328GTS or the old 911 turbos than the newer GT3RS.

THe 360CS is indeed a beautiful car, i wouldn't mind owning one, but since i am a porsche freak i would take the GT3RS over the 360CS any day of the week.

 

[RGN]

Hey all!! I'm the new GTO owner that this thread references. The car is awesome, more car than I really know what to do with. It had 7 miles on it when I picked it up and currently has about 93. I made the choice to get the '04 after debating about ordering an '05 simply on price. The indications are that the '05 will sticker about 2K more than the '04. I wanted to wait until spring, but I'd not get any kind of deal on an '05 then. I figured for the $8K difference I could get hood scoops and make it much faster than the 50HP that the LS2 has. Or I could not spend the savings.

A couple of remarks on the GTO heritage. In 1964 when the Goat was introduced, it was the same car as the Tempest with slightly different trim. The LeMans was the same too. The GTO looked like the other Pontiacs of the time. If we extended that to now: We could have a GrandAm that goes fast...
The 2004 GTO exterior styling isn't radical, but follows the heritage of the car. The Interior has a build quality that puts most of the rest of GM to shame. The seats are REAL leather, there is suede trim, and easy to use (and reach) controls. The interior quality is what sold the car to me.

Then there is the price. @ 27K it is a steal. Great performance, great quality.

Since this sorta sounds like a GTO commercial, I'd like to point out that I'm _NOT_ a fanboy. I also own a tricked out 1992 Nissan Maxima (2K of suspension mods and custom leather interior are part of the upgrades) and a 1984 Porsche 944. The GTO is faster that all of them, and DOES handle pretty good. The Porsche is amazing on the road, and is a classic looking import. The Max... Well that is another thread, but I'll keep tweaking that car forever. It looks great and handles great.

R

 

[kb315]

pics?

 

[Shawn]

I think my dad is gonna get one.

 

[qaa541]

Originally posted by: JDub02
Just wait until the update when they get the 400 hp LS2 vette motor.

Ohhh baby, I cant wait.
I'm going to get a yellow GTO when I get out of college! I had better or college was a waste!

 

[KeithP]

A few weeks ago there was an article in Autoweek that mentioned Pontiac had a 255 day supply of 04 GTOs on hand. In the auto business, that is a giant number. It even mentioned that Pontiac was considering offering the 05 hood w/scoops as a option (presumably dealer installed) to help move them out. Over at Ls1.com, there was a thread that mentioned an advertised price of $23,855 (I didn't see the ad myself) so there are definitely some good deals to be had on the 04s.

However, I am surprised to hear they are thinking about raising the price $2K. While the improvements are nice on the 05s, I have a feeling a few months after the early adopters get their cars, Pontiac will have to go back to massive discounting again to move them off the lots unless they cut production. That is not to say it is a bad car, it is just that the exterior styling is so bland (even with the modest 05 changes) and it looks so much like much cheaper Pontiac cars, it has really turned a lot of people off (IMHO).

Personally, I like the car and the simple styling. I am going to wait until the second half of 05 and hopefully pick up an 05 model for cheap.

-KeithP

 

[Tom]

With regards to the Porsche GT3..

"It wasn't even a contest. The Ford GT so completely dusted off its two highly recognized competitors that if we had wanted to make this a real challenge, we would have had to go way up the "supercar" price ladder."

http://caranddriver.com/articl...7565&page_number=1

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Tom
With regards to the Porsche GT3..

"It wasn't even a contest. The Ford GT so completely dusted off its two highly recognized competitors that if we had wanted to make this a real challenge, we would have had to go way up the "supercar" price ladder."

http://caranddriver.com/articl...7565&page_number=1

wahoo. thats the car i wanna get someday. ferrari and porsche might have more prestige and more bling, but those aint worth a dime on the track