Friend on drugs, how can i help

[chrisjor]

Millenium...you are a moron. You can continue to quote me and post the word "wrong" but that does not create truth! You don't know me.. I've been in rehab twice. The first time it was court ordered. The second, I chose to be there.

I'm posting awfully personal stuff......but you guys have struck a nerve.

This person did not grow up doing drugs....she grew up having problems.

My problems were the loss of a brother and a sister to Cystic Fibrosis. I have lived with the guilt of being a surviving sibling for 20 years. My Father dealt with it by being an Alcoholic (he died last Nov. from Lung Cancer....quit smoking please??!!!!) My Mother is a Christian ZEALOT!! And I have another sister who is doing well...but occasionally these problems manifest themselves in her life also.

From 1995 thru 1998 I managed to get 2 DUI's, a driving without a license charge (on my way to party!!) and a probation violation.

What is the difference betwwen my Mother and Father? Alcohol was my Father's escape....Religion is my Mom's. She abuses Jesus like my Father abused Jack Daniels!!!

Can you remember every negative thing you ever said to someone you love? I do! I try to convince myself that his was just a childhood thing we all do to our siblings. We mock them and insult them...but they don't normally die with those feelings of guilt riding on our backs!!! I did not get the chance to explain that I was a stupid kid who did not mean the horrible things I said.


Anyhow, Zap...help your friend in an appropriate way. She may just need your ear to vent. Your Love and concern may be enough...others are right, do not try to seek an answers here. Judge for yourself...you are the expert on her..not us.

Millenium...kiss my @ss....Diamond Member means you posted over 4000 pieces of nonsensical cra@p!!!

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: chrisjor
Millenium...you are a moron. You can continue to quote me and post the word "wrong" but that does not create truth! You don't know me.. I've been in rehab twice. The first time it was court ordered. The second, I chose to be there.

I'm posting awfully personal stuff......but you guys have struck a nerve.

This person did not grow up doing drugs....she grew up having problems.

My problems were the loss of a brother and a sister to Cystic Fibrosis. I have lived with the guilt of being a surviving sibling for 20 years. My Father dealt with it by being an Alcoholic (he died last Nov. from Lung Cancer....quit smoking please??!!!!) My Mother is a Christian ZEALOT!! And I have another sister who is doing well...but occasionally these problems manifest themselves in her life also.

From 1995 thru 1998 I managed to get 2 DUI's, a driving without a license charge (on my way to party!!) and a probation violation.

What is the difference betwwen my Mother and Father? Alcohol was my Father's escape....Religion is my Mom's. She abuses Jesus like my Father abused Jack Daniels!!!

Can you remember every negative thing you ever said to someone you love? I do! I try to convince myself that his was just a childhood thing we all do to our siblings. We mock them and insult them...but they don't normally die with those feelings of guilt riding on our backs!!! I did not get the chance to explain that I was a stupid kid who did not mean the horrible things I said.


Anyhow, Zap...help your friend in an appropriate way. She may just need your ear to vent. Your Love and concern may be enough...others are right, do not try to seek an answers here. Judge for yourself...you are the expert on her..not us.

Millenium...kiss my @ss....Diamond Member means you posted over 4000 pieces of nonsensical cra@p!!!

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I speak form experience like you and I don't think you have the right idea about drugs. You didn't get those DUIs or get court-ordered to rehab because you were coping. You got in trouble because you were doing things just like me and you wanted to.

I lost my father when I was eight, and my best friend committed suicide when I was 15. Neither of those two instances caused my problems. I wanted to keep on doing drugs and I did. You need to face reality and stop blaming your problems on other people. I do sympathize with you, but I can't agree with you regarding weed or the reason people do drugs. We have two different experiences but the same problem.

Your statement:
"First off...you cannot be addicted to weed. If that is your complaint, leave her alone and go to church by yourself. If she is really doing all that other stuff ............. "

Who said anything about church? If you are bitter and resentful about your mother's christianity then so be it. Don't taint this thread with a bunch of BS because you want to feel sorry for yourself. That is not the intention of this thread. I wrote wrong because I was going to retype up my story and try to offer help. You attacked Zap and told him to go back to church when the only reason he is posting is out of concern for his friend. Then you doubt that his friend is doing all that other stuff and you have no inside knowledge of the situation.

Are you a little bitter because you got busted and had to quit or are you actually making an effort at changing your life?

 

[chrisjor]

My response........


I am alive, very successful...and posting today. Nuff said.

It just so happens that I caught another thread that Zap posted about his friend being hooked on weed. I was reacting to that.

Actually I'm just upset and feeling sorry for myself. Me and my friends were planning on getting wasted and driving through your neighborhood...then I got busted! How inconvenient!!!

You cannot be addicted to weed. If you think you are...look inside yourself.



Notice my sig line...It's there because of more than me being a U2 fan.... I live by it.

 

[Aceman]

"Long-term marijuana abuse

Laboratory studies have shown that animals exhibit symptoms of drug withdrawal after cessation of prolonged marijuana administration. Some human studies have also demonstrated withdrawal symptoms such as irritability, stomach pain, aggression, and anxiety after cessation of oral administration of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), marijuana's principal psychoactive component. Now, NIDA-supported researchers at McLean Hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts, and Columbia University in New York City have shown that individuals who regularly smoke marijuana experience withdrawal symptoms after they stop smoking the drug.

Studies at Columbia University in New York City have demonstrated that, in addition to aggression, marijuana smokers experience other withdrawal symptoms such as anxiety, stomach pain, and increased irritability during abstinence from the drug. "These results suggest that dependence may be an important consequence of repeated daily exposure to marijuana," says NIDA. "


Nuff said, moron. Care to argue some more?

 

[freakflag]

does coke, liquid g, shrooms, acid, and dmx.

What is DMX?

 

[chrisjor]

Yea Moron.....

His friend is not a Lab Rat....and she's not complaining of PMS (the symptoms quoted in your post). I suffer from withdrawl if I skip morning Tea (I don't use caffeine...they made me stop in rehab. Ever drank Chicory?). Notice that nowhere in your post is the word "addiction" used. I'm sure if you quit being an @sshole for several days you'd suffer withdrawl symptoms..I don't believe you being an @sshole is an addiction, rather it is your natural state of existence. Or maybe it is a learned behavior...surely you were not born an @sshole!!!

Where did they say addiction...they are professionals...they tried very hard to avoid that word. They know the truth...they need a grant!!!

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: Zap0602
guyz i have a friend that has very big problems and i wanna help her. so does coke, liquid g, shrooms, acid, and dmx. I really really wanna help her out of this bad stuff. what can i do? (on internet and off)

I assume that you mean DXM

 

[chrisjor]

Oh, and by the way.......I no longer smoke weed. It's been at least ten years since I have. It had too much of a negative impact on my life. But I was never addicted...hence it was easier to kick than cigarettes. I quit doing that also.

 

[Aceman]

Oh sorry! The "addiction" is listed in the URL...... Text

You, I am guessing, are still on a "dry drunk". You refuse to admit your addictions. Sorry, I don't like to see dry drunks trying to tell other how to be cured when they're still addicts. My background, before you ask the question? 18 years ago I was getting over my head in substance abuse. I walked away before a life long addiction took hold. 15 years ago my minor was in Alcohol and Drug Abuse Counseling. Now, I oversee an Alcohol and Substance Abuse program in the military.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: chrisjor
Yea Moron.....

His friend is not a Lab Rat....and she's not complaining of PMS (the symptoms quoted in your post). I suffer from withdrawl if I skip morning Tea (I don't use caffeine...they made me stop in rehab. Ever drank Chicory?). Notice that nowhere in your post is the word "addiction" used. I'm sure if you quit being an @sshole for several days you'd suffer withdrawl symptoms..I don't believe you being an @sshole is an addiction, rather it is your natural state of existence. Or maybe it is a learned behavior...surely you were not born an @sshole!!!

Where did they say addiction...they are professionals...they tried very hard to avoid that word. They know the truth...they need a grant!!!

Asshole isn't a banned word and you are still trying to explain away YOUR problems. No one else here wants someone to get two DUIs before they realize that they need to clean up their act.

No one is being an asshole in this thread except for you. Everyone here is trying to help Zap0602's friend. You are the one spouting off at the mouth about your gazillion bazillion DUIs and saying that marijuana isn't addictive. WTF do you continue to post in this thread. When you started babbling incoherently about church and your mother being a zealot I immediately realized you have NOTHING constructive to say in this thread.

What kind of nutty rehab made you stop drinking tea because it had caffeine in it?

 

[chrisjor]

Wow.....it makes sense now. I had to suck up to those court appointed...50k salary ex drug using counselors to get out of jail. Did you use to get drunk and piss in the closet thinking it was the bathroom? Did your wife and kids hide in the corner while this went on? All the counselors claimed this same phenomena. I guess I am not counselor material.

Well...the obvious conclusion to this thread for both Millenium and yourself is to have Zap kidnap this girl and do an intervention!!!!!! I mean every person who has ever hit a joint is obviously a maniacal drug addict (Reefer Madness?)

Millenium....

I mentioned my Mom's religious issues only to point out that we have many ways to express our pain. Since you are obsessing on that point...I will assume that you are a practicing christian? Not too mention your apocolyptic user name?

Do either of you have a blue book at your side right now?

As far as me being an Asshole. Drop the gavel, I'm guilty!!! Mine's a misdemeanor...you have a felony!!

 

[HappyPuppy]

You can't help anybody on drugs unless they want help. Even then you can only point them in the right direction. You can't lead them, you can't help them, you can't stand by their side. They have to do it all by themselves. Until then, you should just back off and live your own life.

 

[GRIFFIN1]

Marijuana is much less addictive than nicotine. If there really is a physically addiction, then it has to be really mild. I'm no expert, but I think the main danger of marijuana is that since it is illegal, you are forced to deal with "criminals" to get it. Chances are good that if you smoke it, then you will meet poeple that have other more dangerous drugs such as beer.

Another problem with it is that it makes you too complacent. The motivation to do more with your life seems to go away, and you are happy with whatever situation you happen to be in.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: chrisjor
Wow.....it makes sense now. I had to suck up to those court appointed...50k salary ex drug using counselors to get out of jail. Did you use to get drunk and piss in the closet thinking it was the bathroom? Did your wife and kids hide in the corner while this went on? All the counselors claimed this same phenomena. I guess I am not counselor material.

Well...the obvious conclusion to this thread for both Millenium and yourself is to have Zap kidnap this girl and do an intervention!!!!!! I mean every person who has ever hit a joint is obviously a maniacal drug addict (Reefer Madness?)

Millenium....

I mentioned my Mom's religious issues only to point out that we have many ways to express our pain. Since you are obsessing on that point...I will assume that you are a practicing christian? Not too mention your apocolyptic user name?

Do either of you have a blue book at your side right now?

As far as me being an Asshole. Drop the gavel, I'm guilty!!! Mine's a misdemeanor...you have a felony!!

Actually, I am not a practicing christian. I picked Millenium as a username right before the Millennium change. Isn't that obvious?

"I mean every person who has ever hit a joint is obviously a maniacal drug addict "

That is not what was alledged here, nor have Aceman or I ever said that. Marijuana is an addictive drug. I don't know what point you are trying to prove about a one hit addiction. I don't think anyone but some wacky fool would believe otherwise.

"Wow.....it makes sense now. I had to suck up to those court appointed...50k salary ex drug using counselors to get out of jail. Did you use to get drunk and piss in the closet thinking it was the bathroom? Did your wife and kids hide in the corner while this went on? All the counselors claimed this same phenomena. I guess I am not counselor material."

What rehab did you go to? You might have been in a mindless cult one or one that abuses people. I have no way of knowing unless you tell us a name.

BTW, WTF is a Blue Book? A Kelley Blue Book?

 

[Dragoon42]

Oh sorry! The "addiction" is listed in the URL...... Text

I normally wouldn't get involved in this stuff, but I just want to point out that it doesn't matter if the site is called marijuana addiction. If you actually read it the article is called "Long-term marijuana abuse" So there still is no word of addiction, just because he calls his site www.marijuanaaddiction.com, doesn't make those findings mean that it is addictive

 

[whateverdude]

Originally posted by: Aceman
"Long-term marijuana abuse

Laboratory studies have shown that animals exhibit symptoms of drug withdrawal after cessation of prolonged marijuana administration. Some human studies have also demonstrated withdrawal symptoms such as irritability, stomach pain, aggression, and anxiety after cessation of oral administration of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), marijuana's principal psychoactive component. Now, NIDA-supported researchers at McLean Hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts, and Columbia University in New York City have shown that individuals who regularly smoke marijuana experience withdrawal symptoms after they stop smoking the drug.

Studies at Columbia University in New York City have demonstrated that, in addition to aggression, marijuana smokers experience other withdrawal symptoms such as anxiety, stomach pain, and increased irritability during abstinence from the drug. "These results suggest that dependence may be an important consequence of repeated daily exposure to marijuana," says NIDA. "


Nuff said, moron. Care to argue some more?

these "studies" mean didly poop. statements like "have shown" and "have demonstrated" do not prove these studies to be true. nor do they ever seem divulge any details about these "studies" I mean, seriously, when they say "have shown" what does that mean? 1? 2? maybe 3 in 10 rats got a little crabby when they didnt get their daily cheeba? these university studies are usually funded by the gov. or some other anti-drug agency and and they present their "findings" in any way to make them look negative. its called PR man. I believe NIDA stands for National Institute on Drug Abuse. would you really expect them to come out and say that weed really isnt that addictive, maybe in some people? please, they want drugs to look bad no matter what the true results. the gov. has been making up crap about weed for 50 years and most of it is pure bunk.

I smoke weed and know several people who do also and have NEVER seen anyone have any kind of withdrawl symptoms. especially my old friend/roommate. hes the biggest weed smoker ive ever known and hes been dry for a couple of weeks now and hes been fine. there are many times when i'll go a week, a month, sometimes longer without anything and I dont get aggressive or irritable. studies also show that smoking weed makes your sperm slow, but I never have quit and my wife still got pregnant after 6 mos of trying. hmmmm, amazing! I must be a freak of nature! bottom line, like ANYTHING, be it weed, alcohol, cigarettes, chocolate, whatever, EVERYONE is gonna have a different reaction to it. but to say something is addictive just because a "study has shown" is nothing more than propaganda and if you believe it to be the absolute truth, then youre just naive. what pisses me off is the lengths the gov. will go to to make sure that people think weed is evil but look what alcohol does to people and no one really cares about that. its sad really. if anything, alcohol should be illegal and weed should be legal, weed is much less dangerous and harmful. but that will never happen because of the pure economics of it.

think about it and you'll see the truth.

 

[chrisjor]

I went to the Talbert House In Hamilton County...Cincinnati, OH. My Blue Book is a listing of every Alcohics Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous meeting.....it's place and time....and any particular emphasis that the meeting may have. Some meetings are at 300 a.m. for people who live that lifestyle...while others emphasize the uniqueness of African Americans with drug/Alcohol abuse. Yoiur local chapter of Al Anon should be more than happy to supply you with one.


What the hell is a dry drunk.....I am a wet drunk. I am buzzed right now. That is why I am still participating in this ignorant conversation. I never claimed to be perfect or sober!!!

 

[Aceman]

"A drug is addicting if it causes compulsive, often uncontrollable drug craving, seeking, and use, even in the face of negative health and social consequences. Marijuana meets this criterion."

Quoted from another site. I'm not here to argue the morals of smoking pot. It is, like many other things in life- addictive. Caffeine, Nicotine, gambling, the internet, and many other things chemical or nonchemical are addictive.

What the hell is a dry drunk.....I am a wet drunk. I am buzzed right now. That is why I am still participating in this ignorant conversation. I never claimed to be perfect or sober!!!

And that there should be enough for someone to take or leave any advice you have.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: chrisjor
I went to the Talbert House In Hamilton County...Cincinnati, OH. My Blue Book is a listing of every Alcohics Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous meeting.....it's place and time....and any particular emphasis that the meeting may have. Some meetings are at 300 a.m. for people who live that lifestyle...while others emphasize the uniqueness of African Americans with drug/Alcohol abuse. Yoiur local chapter of Al Anon should be more than happy to supply you with one.


What the hell is a dry drunk.....I am a wet drunk. I am buzzed right now. That is why I am still participating in this ignorant conversation. I never claimed to be perfect or sober!!!

Sorry, I have never been to an AA or NA meeting. The only ignorance in this thread, is your ignorance regarding substance abuse and treatment. No one ever claimed to be perfect here.

"Talbert House"

Found their website but it doesn't say what principles they embrace.

To all the pot legalizers and pro-weed advocates: Marijuana is not the issue in this thread, it is a simple side argument. The whole point of this thread is abuse regarding far more serious drugs such as GHB, DXM, Cocaine and Acid.

 

[whateverdude]

btw, to get back on topic. I would suggest zap, that you point your friend to the local chapter of narcotics anonymous like chrisjor said or also look into a local charter center. I dont know if charter is free or not though. hope this helps and good luck to your friend

 

[chrisjor]

well Aceman...according to your definition.....I'm addicted to scratching my ass. I get extremely aggressive, and often times quite irritable when my ass itches. There is only one solution...I drive to the Ghetto to seek an ass scratching!!

Anyhow...I just want all of you guys to know........

I honestly care about you guys.

I truly appreciate (though maybe disagree) with your opinion.

I will pray for you.

I hope the original poster ...Zap...found something useful in this mess.

 

[whateverdude]

well, to me an addiction is when the body becomes physically dependent on something, like heroin, cocaine, cigarettes or caffine. and breaking that addiction changes the body's physioligy in some way.

anything else like gambling or the internet is not really an addiction. I think people throw that word around too much nowadays. people have problems with gambling or the internet because they do not have the willpower or intelligence to control themselves. that to me is not addiction but rather weak-mindedness. I guess I can see why people would call it addiction, but its not the same. at least thats how I see it.

 

[Aceman]

Originally posted by: whateverdude
well, to me an addiction is when the body becomes physically dependent on something, like heroin, cocaine, cigarettes or caffine. and breaking that addiction changes the body's physioligy in some way.

anything else like gambling or the internet is not really an addiction. I think people throw that word around too much nowadays. people have problems with gambling or the internet because they do not have the willpower or intelligence to control themselves. that to me is not addiction but rather weak-mindedness. I guess I can see why people would call it addiction, but its not the same. at least thats how I see it.

And that is debated in many treatment centers. I've smoked cigarettes for 15 years and chewed tobacco for 7 years before smoking. I've completely quit chewing tobacco and have quit smoking 3 times in my life for 3-4 months. The physical addiction was easy to flush. The mental addiction drew me back into smoking everytime I got rid of the physical addiction. I have a friend that cleaned up and sobered up. Hasn't had a drink or done drugs in over 10 years. He still MUST go to the bar and drink a soda at least twice a week. He's still mentally addicted to the bar scene even though his physical addiction has been removed and controlled. If he was restrained from going to the bar, he'd probably go back to drinking and doing drugs.

 

[McPhreak]

Originally posted by: whateverdude
btw, to get back on topic. I would suggest zap, that you point your friend to the local chapter of narcotics anonymous like chrisjor said or also look into a local charter center. I dont know if charter is free or not though. hope this helps and good luck to your friend

I would suggest seeing the counselor first. Remember that this is a high school student we're talking about and if you can't get a student to see their own school counselor, how are you going to get them into a Narcotics anonymous meeting filled with older folks?

 

[chrisjor]

Millenium....

I am drunk and tired. I want to go to bed. Tomorrow I am taking my Mother (the religious zealot) to see My Big Fat Greek Wedding..because it is supposed to be a good "secular" movie, so says her pastor.

I refuse to go to bed arguing with you...no, you are not my bitch!!! I just do not want to argue anymore.

If you went to the Talbert House web site, what do you mean by "I did not find what principles they embrace"? The only principle they embrace is sobriety....and profits!!! The have infiltrated the entire Hamilton County justice system!! It would seem that if you entered the system in Cincinnati the Talbert House gets control of you. I am serious when I say that there are a bunch of reformed, very healthy, "yuppie", former drug addicts working there. They all claim to have pissed in the closet when drunk!!!! I have been in the system 3 times now.

They now have a limit of .08 BAC coming........I'll be in the system again????????

And as McFreak says...we are dealing with a highschool girl. So..let's leave her alone and let her find her own way!!! She does not have the issues we deal with regularly. Zap yuo are a good friend for caring....do not step over the line.

Good night all!!