Friend punched out a girl

[MasonLuke]

i would have thrown her on the floor and pinned her down until she calmed the fvck down.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: MasonLuke
i would have thrown her on the floor and pinned her down until she calmed the fvck down.

Attempted rape.
All she has to say.
No no this lady needed this. I bet she will never play the old spoony-punchy game again.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: mpitts
If anyone cuts my face open then continues to be aggressive towards me, I am going to defend myself.

What does this crazy woman think? That she can just wail on this guy as much and with whatever she'd like and that he has to just sit there and take it because she is a woman?

And for the record, I am not advocating hitting a woman.. I'm advocating self-defense.

self defense is good, but if you know you can subdue someone with less than breaking their nose, you should probably show that bit of restraint. unnecessary force is still unnecessary, and lesser force should be used before a fist to the nose. man or woman.

 

[RbSX]

I BELONG HERE.

Why didn't I see this thread?

Good job to your friend.

A few months ago I dropped an absolute haymaker onto my exgirlfriends friend for punching me 3 times, leaving two black eyes.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: mflacy
Well, let's see:

Option 1: Punch her in the face. Get immediate gratification. Face possible assault charges, but probably cancel each other out.

Option 2: Back down. Face immediate humilitation. Press assault charges and seriously fvck up her personal / professional life.

Option 2 would have been a heck of a lot more gratifying to me, but each their own.

i dont think i know of one court that will "cancel out" a charge because they both did it. both would be charged for assault, and both would spend 24hrs in jail here in arizona. mandatory. with her using a spoon, she would face heavier charges than he would

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
A friend of mine was recently in a fight with his (now ex) girlfriend. Basically what happened is that an argument about money escalated, and she grabbed a metal spoon and hit him in the face, right above the eye. It opened up a gash and started bleeding. She then took a swing at him and missed. She definitely took it from yelling to physical violence.

My friend punched back and hit her in the nose, breaking it. She instantly collapsed on the floor and started screaming and crying and saying that he was "in big trouble now, you can't hit a girl!" She's since told the exact same story to a different mutual friend, so none of the facts are in dispute here.

The cops got called and currently are investigating. The crazy ex is absolutely sure my friend is going to get charges pressed against him,because it's simply not acceptable to hit a girl under any circumstances, ever. My friend is equally convinced he was in the right to defend himself. Currently there's a pretty raging debate going on between a lot of mutual acquaintances, with pretty much all the men agreeing with him and all the women agreeing with her (about it never being okay to hit a girl, not her behavior in the first place)

Personally, I totally agree with him. She'd already put a gash in his face bad enough to need stiches, and clearly wasn't done yet. He was absolutely right to punch her out, she was a danger regardless of whether she had boobs or not. This idiotic assumption that girls are delicate little flowers that are incapable of withstanding or dishing out physical violence is completely out of touch with how the real world works.

What do ya'll think? Was he justified in hitting her, or is it definitely not cool to hit back under any circumstances? It'd be nice if some girls chimed in too, I'm curious.

i bolded the part where you are wrong. self defense is allowed. in other words if she comes after him he has a right to defend himself. whether or not he needed to pummel her in the face hard enough to break her nose is the question. couldn't he have just pushed her away, and fled the scene?

Bingo!

Self defense is not as black and white as most people think. And is definately not a carte blanche to do anything you want to someone who is threating you.

1. You have to prove that there was a significant enough threat that you had reason to beleive the person was going to do you serious bodily harm. Someone throwing a spoon at you just doesn't do it IMO

2. Your only allowed to respond with enough force to nuetralize the threat, nothing more.


To listen to some of you guys in here, if someone chunked a rock at you your justified in pulling out your glock and capping them in the head a few times

 

[RbSX]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
A friend of mine was recently in a fight with his (now ex) girlfriend. Basically what happened is that an argument about money escalated, and she grabbed a metal spoon and hit him in the face, right above the eye. It opened up a gash and started bleeding. She then took a swing at him and missed. She definitely took it from yelling to physical violence.

My friend punched back and hit her in the nose, breaking it. She instantly collapsed on the floor and started screaming and crying and saying that he was "in big trouble now, you can't hit a girl!" She's since told the exact same story to a different mutual friend, so none of the facts are in dispute here.

The cops got called and currently are investigating. The crazy ex is absolutely sure my friend is going to get charges pressed against him,because it's simply not acceptable to hit a girl under any circumstances, ever. My friend is equally convinced he was in the right to defend himself. Currently there's a pretty raging debate going on between a lot of mutual acquaintances, with pretty much all the men agreeing with him and all the women agreeing with her (about it never being okay to hit a girl, not her behavior in the first place)

Personally, I totally agree with him. She'd already put a gash in his face bad enough to need stiches, and clearly wasn't done yet. He was absolutely right to punch her out, she was a danger regardless of whether she had boobs or not. This idiotic assumption that girls are delicate little flowers that are incapable of withstanding or dishing out physical violence is completely out of touch with how the real world works.

What do ya'll think? Was he justified in hitting her, or is it definitely not cool to hit back under any circumstances? It'd be nice if some girls chimed in too, I'm curious.

i bolded the part where you are wrong. self defense is allowed. in other words if she comes after him he has a right to defend himself. whether or not he needed to pummel her in the face hard enough to break her nose is the question. couldn't he have just pushed her away, and fled the scene?

Bingo!

Self defense is not as black and white as most people think. And is definately not a carte blanche to do anything you want to someone who is threating you.

1. You have to prove that there was a significant enough threat that you had reason to beleive the person was going to do you serious bodily harm. Someone throwing a spoon at you just doesn't do it IMO

2. Your only allowed to respond with enough force to nuetralize the threat, nothing more.


To listen to some of you guys in here, if someone chunked a rock at you your justified in pulling out your glock and capping them in the head a few times

The argument will simply be made that with a blow put to the right area, it is quite easy to break someones nose or something akin to that.

 

[Tiamat]

guy win, girl lose. Assuming that she did indeed assult him first, he had to act in self defense.

 

[Leejai]

I have to say, it's been an interesting read of this thread with the Hustle & Flow soundtrack in my head (Whoop that Trick).

Based on the OP's story, I have to say it sounds like self defense, but I do question whether or not his friend was swinging blindly with his gashed eye, or did he see her, aim, and punch. The latter, is a bit extreme without knowing the whole situation as it could've been handled differently.

Either way, I'd love to see if the OP could get one of his friends who sides with the female so we can get the other side.

Every story has two sides and full judgement shouldn't be made until both are heard.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: RyanSengara


The argument will simply be made that with a blow put to the right area, it is quite easy to break someones nose or something akin to that.

And the judge would dismiss that argument instantly. By the time he made the decision to punch her in the face, the blow from the spoon had already been struck. And it didn't put his eye out, or peirce his brain, or break his nose, etc.... I'm guess it put a small cut on his forehead, and by that time the spoon was most likely laying on the ground. Could have, might have arguments carry zero weigh in court.

 

[Bryophyte]

Originally posted by: RyanSengara
I BELONG HERE.

Why didn't I see this thread?

Good job to your friend.

A few months ago I dropped an absolute haymaker onto my exgirlfriends friend for punching me 3 times, leaving two black eyes.

We know all about what a badass you are. You need to work out your mommy issues because they seem to affect all of your relationships with women. BTW---aren't you the one who had to get a pap smear? :laugh: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1950168&enterthread=y&arctab=y

 

[RbSX]

Originally posted by: Bryophyte

Originally posted by: RyanSengara
I BELONG HERE.

Why didn't I see this thread?

Good job to your friend.

A few months ago I dropped an absolute haymaker onto my exgirlfriends friend for punching me 3 times, leaving two black eyes.

We know all about what a badass you are. You need to work out your mommy issues because they seem to affect all of your relationships with women. BTW---aren't you the one who had to get a pap smear? :laugh: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1950168&enterthread=y&arctab=y

I was ill informed about the topic, I ended up getting a PCR test.

 

[Cruisin1]

Originally posted by: Juddog
I am a big guy... 6'2 close to 300 lbs, lift weights, been in quite a few real life fights.

My fiance the one night did something similar, she threw a vicious right hook one night when drunk and arguing (with our friends in the other room no less) and punched me hard enough to cut the inside of my cheek on my teeth and make me taste blood.

I was also drunk at the time.

I didn't hit her back. I have run it through my mind time and time again, and still can't justify hitting her back, because one punch would have broken her nose, maybe her jaw even.

Not quite the same situation, but similar.

Wow... and she's still your fiance?! Why does your woman think it's okay to hit you? I would of dumped her right then...

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
A friend of mine was recently in a fight with his (now ex) girlfriend. Basically what happened is that an argument about money escalated, and she grabbed a metal spoon and hit him in the face, right above the eye. It opened up a gash and started bleeding. She then took a swing at him and missed. She definitely took it from yelling to physical violence.

My friend punched back and hit her in the nose, breaking it. She instantly collapsed on the floor and started screaming and crying and saying that he was "in big trouble now, you can't hit a girl!" She's since told the exact same story to a different mutual friend, so none of the facts are in dispute here.

The cops got called and currently are investigating. The crazy ex is absolutely sure my friend is going to get charges pressed against him, because it's simply not acceptable to hit a girl under any circumstances, ever. My friend is equally convinced he was in the right to defend himself. Currently there's a pretty raging debate going on between a lot of mutual acquaintances, with pretty much all the men agreeing with him and all the women agreeing with her (about it never being okay to hit a girl, not her behavior in the first place)

Personally, I totally agree with him. She'd already put a gash in his face bad enough to need stiches, and clearly wasn't done yet. He was absolutely right to punch her out, she was a danger regardless of whether she had boobs or not. This idiotic assumption that girls are delicate little flowers that are incapable of withstanding or dishing out physical violence is completely out of touch with how the real world works.

What do ya'll think? Was he justified in hitting her, or is it definitely not cool to hit back under any circumstances? It'd be nice if some girls chimed in too, I'm curious.

A metal spoon?

...and a closed fisted punch is a bit more than defending himself. The worst I would have done would have been to tackle her...

[Edit] Of course, this depends on the size and skill of this girl

 

[digiram]

That's what she gets, and she totally deserved it!!!!!

God forbid my wife would ever resort to something like that against me, but if she did I wouldn't hesitate to throw a left hook her way.

 

[Tarrant64]

Thinking back on it, I know that if I got hit in the head with a spoon, and was bleeding, that I wouldn't take the time to decide what options I had to solve the problem quickly without causing further issues.

I would have thought there wasn't time to think about it so knock her out. Figure it out afterwards. Not saying to smash her face in, but I dont't hink I would have spent too much time thinking about what to do after being struck on the head with any object.

Goal #1: Stop attacker quickest way possible. Punch to the face? Hmm...Maybe....OK.

 

[Brainonska511]

With all the people saying it was just a spoon - we never knew what size spoon this was. It could have been a small teaspoon, it could have been a big metal serving spoon. Plus, as far as self defense goes, who's to say that after throwing the spoon, the next thing she would do was pick up a knife?

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Well, there is a law in CA whereby if you are physically attacked in the workplace and fleeing is an option and you choose not to flee that you can be lawfully terminated for fighting.

I think something similar applies here. He could have safely left and called the police from a distance. He didn't punch her out of self defense, he did it out of anger.

 

[LordNoob]

Disclaimer: this is not legal advice, do not rely upon it, this is just an opinion.

From a legal perspective, for "self defense" to be applicable as a defense, the level of force your friend used had to be commensurate with the level of the threat posed by the aggressor. In this case, his response was clearly commensurate with the threat posed. Thus, he should be ok according to the letter of the law.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
With all the people saying it was just a spoon - we never knew what size spoon this was. It could have been a small teaspoon, it could have been a big metal serving spoon. Plus, as far as self defense goes, who's to say that after throwing the spoon, the next thing she would do was pick up a knife?

Theres the what if, woulda, coulda argument again

Maybe her next move would have been to get a bazooka, so he should have stabbed her with a bayonet:thumbsup:


She was definately in the wrong and should be charged with assault for throwing the spoon at him but once he retaliated and broke her nose, his wrong trumped her wrong and he loses.

 

[Wuffsunie]

you dish it out = you take it.

Someone assaults you, leaving definite physical evidence, you have ever right to use reasonable force to end it, regardless of gender.

 

[TheNinja]

Your friend should have just grabbed her and subbed her with an arm choke or something.

 

[Sniper82]

Woman are so funny. Mine thinks she can kick anyones a$$ including mine. I always tell her if she ever does kick it, its because I let her. If she ever really hit me IDK what I would do. But I think if a woman hits a man that doesn't REALLY deserve it(like cheats on her) should get hit back. But not pounded on over and over. Just enough to teach her a lesson.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
A friend of mine was recently in a fight with his (now ex) girlfriend. Basically what happened is that an argument about money escalated, and she grabbed a metal spoon and hit him in the face, right above the eye. It opened up a gash and started bleeding. She then took a swing at him and missed. She definitely took it from yelling to physical violence.

My friend punched back and hit her in the nose, breaking it. She instantly collapsed on the floor and started screaming and crying and saying that he was "in big trouble now, you can't hit a girl!" She's since told the exact same story to a different mutual friend, so none of the facts are in dispute here.

The cops got called and currently are investigating. The crazy ex is absolutely sure my friend is going to get charges pressed against him,because it's simply not acceptable to hit a girl under any circumstances, ever. My friend is equally convinced he was in the right to defend himself. Currently there's a pretty raging debate going on between a lot of mutual acquaintances, with pretty much all the men agreeing with him and all the women agreeing with her (about it never being okay to hit a girl, not her behavior in the first place)

Personally, I totally agree with him. She'd already put a gash in his face bad enough to need stiches, and clearly wasn't done yet. He was absolutely right to punch her out, she was a danger regardless of whether she had boobs or not. This idiotic assumption that girls are delicate little flowers that are incapable of withstanding or dishing out physical violence is completely out of touch with how the real world works.

What do ya'll think? Was he justified in hitting her, or is it definitely not cool to hit back under any circumstances? It'd be nice if some girls chimed in too, I'm curious.

i bolded the part where you are wrong. self defense is allowed. in other words if she comes after him he has a right to defend himself. whether or not he needed to pummel her in the face hard enough to break her nose is the question. couldn't he have just pushed her away, and fled the scene?

Bingo!

Self defense is not as black and white as most people think. And is definately not a carte blanche to do anything you want to someone who is threating you.

1. You have to prove that there was a significant enough threat that you had reason to beleive the person was going to do you serious bodily harm. Someone throwing a spoon at you just doesn't do it IMO

2. Your only allowed to respond with enough force to nuetralize the threat, nothing more.


To listen to some of you guys in here, if someone chunked a rock at you your justified in pulling out your glock and capping them in the head a few times

i had a friend that came up on his girlfriend being raped by a gang member. he pulled the guy off her, and the guy pulled a gun and told him to leave. he pulled his and shot him after the other guy fired. self defense. he was put away for 10 years because he fired all 5 remaining barrels into the guy after he went down. i asked him why he did that, he said he was still twitching.

self defense is only self defense if you do what is necessary to stop the threat to you, not go farther than necessary.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Leejai
I have to say, it's been an interesting read of this thread with the Hustle & Flow soundtrack in my head (Whoop that Trick).

Based on the OP's story, I have to say it sounds like self defense, but I do question whether or not his friend was swinging blindly with his gashed eye, or did he see her, aim, and punch. The latter, is a bit extreme without knowing the whole situation as it could've been handled differently.

Either way, I'd love to see if the OP could get one of his friends who sides with the female so we can get the other side.

Every story has two sides and full judgement shouldn't be made until both are heard.

wrong. every story has three sides. his, hers and the truth.