Friend's asking me for a notebook recommendation

CKent

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I haven't a clue about notebooks, in fact I haven't even been following up as much lately on desktop hardware as I usually do... Anyway, he needs it for 4 years of college and wants to be able to game on it (probably WoW, for the most part). He gets a discount on Dells. What kind of price range is he looking at? The links to various things he keeps sending me all seem prohibitively expensive for what they are, but I guess this is the price of portability.
 
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Is he looking for portability? If so, forget about the 17" Dell models. Also, if you plan on buying from Dell, keep an eye out for coupon deals.

At the very low-end for notebook gaming, you have the 7400 Go and the MR X1400, but if you want something that falls in the midrange, look for something with a 7600 Go or MR X1600. Don't get any of the Latitudes if you want to game since the Quadro NVS 110m is basically a 7300 Go, except worse since it is taylored to professional applications.

What's the budget that your friend is working with?
 

HomeyFoos

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Is he looking for portability? If so, forget about the 17" Dell models. Also, if you plan on buying from Dell, keep an eye out for coupon deals.

I'm sorry, this is inaccurate. I have 2 laptops sitting next to eachother. One is a 15.4" Toshiba Satellite with a real P4 and the other is a 17" E1705 loaded from Dell. The Dell is approximately 1" wider, .75" deeper, and .25" taller than the Toshiba 15.4" and it is a little over a pound LIGHTER than the Satellite. It also enjoys a lower profile when closed. The 17" Dell folds up and slides right into the sleeve of the notebook backpack I have been using for the 15.4" Satellite with little to no resistance. It's not snug and there is no fear of ripping the fabric.

So, why forget about the 17" Dell model if he is looking for portability? Unless, of course, you are saying that 15.4" is not portable either. Also, consider that the 17" laptop is only 6-8% larger than the 15.4" which is 3-5% larger than a 14" screen. Also, it IS portable. You can easily fold it up and put it in a bag. I can pick it up from the front with it open. Thumb right next to the touch-pad. It's about 8lbs.

I will grant you that there are some 17" monsters out there. Trust me when I say that the Dell 17" is not one of them. I was as surprised as you when I opened the box and it was lighter than my Toshiba. Even more so when I put them next to each other. It is larger, but not by much and certainly not prohibitively large. Mine is currently resting on a normal-sized TV tray and is taking up about 85% of the surface area. This tray will barely hold a dinner plate, utencils, and a drink. With no room left your your palm.




 

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If he wants to use the thing at all in classrooms, I would strongly be looking at 14" models or less. The logistics of lugging around a larger computer - and certainly using it in a crowded classroom - really weigh against anything with a 15"+ screen.

Beyond that, I always recommend either Lenovo T-series if people can afford it, or Dell to match whatever the budget might be. Just be careful to make sure whatever computer he orders has a) sufficient graphics power, b) silent or almost silent (or classmates will kill him), and a comprehensive warranty for at least three years. I would also point him towards as high-res a screen as he can find; nothing kills an otherwise solid computer like a 1024x768 pixel screen.

Gaming laptops aren't cheap, period, but you didn't really mention what his budget is.
 

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Originally posted by: HomeyFoos
Is he looking for portability? If so, forget about the 17" Dell models. Also, if you plan on buying from Dell, keep an eye out for coupon deals.

I'm sorry, this is inaccurate. I have 2 laptops sitting next to eachother. One is a 15.4" Toshiba Satellite with a real P4 and the other is a 17" E1705 loaded from Dell. The Dell is approximately 1" wider, .75" deeper, and .25" taller than the Toshiba 15.4" and it is a little over a pound LIGHTER than the Satellite. It also enjoys a lower profile when closed. The 17" Dell folds up and slides right into the sleeve of the notebook backpack I have been using for the 15.4" Satellite with little to no resistance. It's not snug and there is no fear of ripping the fabric.

So, why forget about the 17" Dell model if he is looking for portability? Unless, of course, you are saying that 15.4" is not portable either. Also, consider that the 17" laptop is only 6-8% larger than the 15.4" which is 3-5% larger than a 14" screen. Also, it IS portable. You can easily fold it up and put it in a bag. I can pick it up from the front with it open. Thumb right next to the touch-pad. It's about 8lbs.

I will grant you that there are some 17" monsters out there. Trust me when I say that the Dell 17" is not one of them. I was as surprised as you when I opened the box and it was lighter than my Toshiba. Even more so when I put them next to each other. It is larger, but not by much and certainly not prohibitively large. Mine is currently resting on a normal-sized TV tray and is taking up about 85% of the surface area. This tray will barely hold a dinner plate, utencils, and a drink. With no room left your your palm.
Try carrying a 17" in a backpack with books & binders, then taking it out to use on a crowded classroom desk.
 

CKent

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His budget isn't set in stone but the ones he's linked me have been in the $1k-$1300ish (USD) price range so I'd guess around there. I hear you about the Latitudes, he linked me one and told me when he called Dell it was what they were recommending :roll: I know what the quadro cards are all about but I wasn't sure of the distinction between the various new models of notebook video cards. As far as performance, the usual, internet, movies, etc. Nothing bleeding edge required for gaming, WoW would probably be about it - but he'd like it to last ~4 years for this. I don't think battery life is of utmost importance but I'll ask him. Thanks for the replies so far, I'm going to mention the deal with size and logistics, it's something that hadn't crossed my mind.

As an aside, I'm considering the possibility myself - although I may go with building a new desktop instead - but what does a decent gaming lappy go for these days?
 

HomeyFoos

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Try carrying a 17" in a backpack with books & binders, then taking it out to use on a crowded classroom desk.

Ok, then after I do it, what is the next reason you are going to tell me as to why a 17" laptop is not 'portable'? This machine is about 14-18% larger than a 14" notebook computer. Less than 1/5th larger.

It folds up into something the size of a notebook and weighs less than a textbook. I will grant you that if someone needs to take it into a classroom it can be cumberson, as a 15.4" can be. However, please, lose the 'portability' arguement. It's not factual and it's not even plausible. They can go just about anywere you can, provided you have a bag that will handle it. Those run about $40. So this is not the herculean task you make it out to be.

I have a job (you know? what happens to people after college?) and if I can manage to carry it around without incident, along with all my other job stuff in the same bag, I assume a young student with a strong back should have no difficulty either.

The misconception about 17" laptops and their lack of portability is just that. What's easier to carry around? An 8lb rectangle in a bag made to carry it or a tower and a monitor? I think you know the answer to that. The fact is that IF you can manage the size (again, less than 20% larger than a 14" notebook), for similar money, you get a machine that is VASTLY superior to anything you can find in the 14" screen.

I will also concede to you that a 14" lappy with a 7900GS/GTX/x1800 would rule planet earth if it didn't melt it first. But those are not around and if they were they'd be $2200. And would probably weigh 13lbs and stand taller than my 17" when closed. So, the compramise seems to be relative size and heat. And I am telling you as I stand here staring at my 2 laptops that the size difference compared to the performance difference is negligable. For a little more size, you get a LOT more performance. I know not all students are into games but when I was in school, I was never home. I was always out somewhere. If I were going to be out all the time w/ my laptop, I would want it to be as MUCH of an extention of my desktop as possible. A laptop w/ a great video card is just that. And it's not so big it's prohibitive. Atleast, not in my experience.




 
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Actually, when you want some kind of portablity, every pound counts. You may not have a problem carrying around an 8-10lbs 17" notebook, but the majority would consider that unnecessary weight to be carrying. Nobody should have a problem lugging an extra few pounds around in a bag, but the fact of the matter is, most don't want to do it and would rather have the lighter bag to carry.

Also, wtf kind of "notebooks" (as in schoolbooks) are you using? 17" notebooks are not "notebook" sized.

Finally, what's wrong with 14" notebooks using decent gpus. I don't have any problems using a 14" notebook which has a MR X1600 in it. Granted, it isn't the best gpu on the market, it is a good midrange notebook card and the fact of the matter is, my 14" W3J is more portable than your 17" whatever it is you use.
 

HomeyFoos

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How do you define more portable? Your laptop is approximatley 2.5 inches smaller and maybe 2 lbs lighter. I require one cable (power supply) to operate it. It slides into a bag. If we were to have a contest to see who could disassemble our laptops side by side, it would be a dead heat (fold it closed and putting it into a bag).

I'm telling you that the size differential is not much and you tell me that 'most people this or that' as if you speak for most people. Your original comment was to 'forget about portability' with 17" laptops. The dimensions are approximately (I meased w/ a ruler just for you) 14" wide x 10" deep and 2" tall. Sitting next to it is a wire-bound notebook. It is 3" high, 12" wide, and 9" tall. Full, it weighs more than the laptop. Not much of a size discrepancy.

So, again, please tell me why someone shopping for laptops should 'forget about portability' with a 17" laptop? They are a great value. If 17" is too big for the intended purpose, then by all means, get something smaller. I'm just trying to tell you that your assessment is not accurate as I enjoy 99% of the portability that you do. That 1% is what I had to sacrifice to get the performance I was looking for for my $1800. You chose to spend your $1800 a different way.

I'm not trying to get into a 'my laptop is better than your laptop' but from a benchmarking standpoint, you lose out. So performance-to-$$ is tilted towards a 17" machine of equal cost. I guess you lose out there as well. However, your Asus is beautiful and if it works for you, then I am thrilled you are happy. The 17" doesn't work for you. Even better. I just hate to see the myth perpetuated that they aren't portable. It's not true. They are. I do it every day and it's no different from my 15.4".





 

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CKent if your friend is in the right mind he would not buy a dell. I would suggest a lenovo Z60t with the titanium cover/lid. It is really going to last this friend of yours a very long time. The budget that you suggested actually fits into the range of an above average Z series laptop. I would strongly advise against a dell as my 700m crapped out in a year.
 

CKent

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Well it turns out he'll be getting a free hand-me-down from his brother - can't beat the price But I appreciate the replies, as I said I'm looking into the possibility myself so it's good to know more about them.
 

6000SUX

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Forget about portability with a 17" laptop. They can be moved (technically meeting the definition of the word "portable") but are not a good choice for someone who values portability in the design of a laptop. A 17" laptop is an especially poor recommendation for a college student.
 

6000SUX

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Originally posted by: HomeyFoos
So, again, please tell me why someone shopping for laptops should 'forget about portability' with a 17" laptop?

Sure thing.


http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1908404,00.asp
"...the base can get surprisingly hot. And, of course, at a hefty 8.2 pounds, the E1705 isn't meant for the road... the E1705 scored a battery life of just 2 hours 34 minutes on our MobileMark 2005 tests..."

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2776
"... if you start pushing the notebook and playing 3D games, video encoding, or even ripping CDs things start to get warm. The bottom back area is especially prone to getting hot, I do not recommend putting this thing in your lap -- it would be uncomfortable given the combined weight and heat...
... if you get a 17" screen notebook just be aware you'll likely be wanting to hangout next to a power outlet, and since these larger notebooks are mostly used as desktop replacements there's no doubt you'll be fine with that... Being a desktop replacement notebook, this is a heavy machine"

http://reviews.cnet.com/Dell_Inspiron_E1705/4505-3121_7-31631866-2.html?tag=nav
"... the Inspiron E1705 is too heavy for regular travel..."


I decided to compare it to my current laptop, a 14" T60, which is about as big as laptops get which offer decent portability.

Thinkpad 14" T60 configurations (just for a single comparison) start at 4.6 pounds, compared to the E1705's 8.2 pounds. The weight of the chassis is not the only consideration, either: add a power brick (which you absolutely must carry with the E1705 due to the poor battery life) and it gets even heavier.


Let's compare size.
14" T60: 12.2" X 10.0" X 1.0-1.2" = 134.2 cubic inches
17" 15.5" x 11.3" x 1.6" = 280.24 cubic inches


Note that the E1705 is over twice as large as the T60. At 8.2 pounds versus 4.6 pounds for the T60 with nothing in the modular bay, it is nearly twice as heavy. I think the E1705 is a fine machine for many uses, but to recommend it for portability to someone looking for advice is irresponsible.
 

HomeyFoos

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Note that the E1705 is over twice as large as the T60. At 8.2 pounds versus 4.6 pounds for the T60 with nothing in the modular bay, it is nearly twice as heavy. I think the E1705 is a fine machine for many uses, but to recommend it for portability to someone looking for advice is irresponsible

I guess this is a problem with all forums everywhere. You call me irresponsible. However, I did not recommend a 17" notebook to a college student. Someone said to 'forget about portability' and I told them their assessment is inaccurate. I then went on to say why. What I feel is irresponsible is for you to comment on what I said without actually reading it OR you just decided to put words in my mouth to use the word 'irresponsible'.

If you will take the time to read (I realize, it's tough), you will see that I said if the 17" does not work for a student, then by all means, get what does work. Sort of flies in the face of your assertion, huh?

Furthermore, do you own an e1705? Because I do. I keep it in my lap and there is no uncomfortable weight or heat. If there was one complaint, it would be that I'm not terribly tall (5'10") and my knees aren't QUITE long enough for it. I do have to adjust. But again, this is not hampering 'portability'.

Your examples are opinions. Not fact. Keep that in mind before you call someone irresponsible. Or, just try reading the thread. That should sufficiently keep you from putting your foot in your mouth unless comprehension is a problem (and judging from your response, it very well could be).


 

6000SUX

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Originally posted by: HomeyFoos
Note that the E1705 is over twice as large as the T60. At 8.2 pounds versus 4.6 pounds for the T60 with nothing in the modular bay, it is nearly twice as heavy. I think the E1705 is a fine machine for many uses, but to recommend it for portability to someone looking for advice is irresponsible

I guess this is a problem with all forums everywhere. You call me irresponsible. However, I did not recommend a 17" notebook to a college student. Someone said to 'forget about portability' and I told them their assessment is inaccurate. I then went on to say why. What I feel is irresponsible is for you to comment on what I said without actually reading it OR you just decided to put words in my mouth to use the word 'irresponsible'.

If you will take the time to read (I realize, it's tough), you will see that I said if the 17" does not work for a student, then by all means, get what does work. Sort of flies in the face of your assertion, huh?

Furthermore, do you own an e1705? Because I do. I keep it in my lap and there is no uncomfortable weight or heat. If there was one complaint, it would be that I'm not terribly tall (5'10") and my knees aren't QUITE long enough for it. I do have to adjust. But again, this is not hampering 'portability'.

Your examples are opinions. Not fact. Keep that in mind before you call someone irresponsible. Or, just try reading the thread. That should sufficiently keep you from putting your foot in your mouth unless comprehension is a problem (and judging from your response, it very well could be).

The E1705 is not a good recommendation for a college student, period. By putting your false assertions in this thread, which was started to gather recommendations for a college laptop, you are indeed claiming that it is appropriate for college. Let's check out some of your other statements:

"This machine is about 14-18% larger than a 14" notebook computer. Less than 1/5th larger." (Wrong, well over twice as large as mine.)

"It folds up into something the size of a notebook and weighs less than a textbook." (Wrong. I've never had any notebook as large as your laptop, or close to it. As noted, this is ridiculous. The fact that your laptop may be slightly smaller or lighter than the largest backbreaking college texts is not exactly a plus.)

"... if I can manage to carry it around without incident, along with all my other job stuff in the same bag, I assume a young student with a strong back should have no difficulty either." (Clearly making a recommendation for college use)

"The misconception about 17" laptops and their lack of portability is just that." (False and misleading to someone shopping for a college laptop)

"The fact is that IF you can manage the size (again, less than 20% larger than a 14" notebook), for similar money, you get a machine that is VASTLY superior to anything you can find in the 14" screen. " (Wrong. My dual-core 2GHz T60 is not vastly inferior to your luggable. It doesn't have the same gaming video performance, but most people don't care about that in a laptop. It is vastly SUPERIOR in many other ways which actually matter.)

"And it's not so big it's prohibitive." (Wrong. Read the reviews. Your opinion is obviously skewed because you've bought one. It is indeed prohibitively large for use around campus.)


I never put words in your mouth by calling you irresponsible. Those are my words. You are irresponsible; see, I've done it again. It is just as true as it was in my last post. Either you are recommending your laptop as advantageous for college use (you are) or you are taking the thread off topic (you attempted to).


The E1705 is not recommended for anyone to whom portability is important-- except by you. Luckily, people are likely to take your anonymous opinions less seriously than multiple reviews that are in agreement on the lack of portability of this laptop.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1908404,00.asp
"...the base can get surprisingly hot. And, of course, at a hefty 8.2 pounds, the E1705 isn't meant for the road... the E1705 scored a battery life of just 2 hours 34 minutes on our MobileMark 2005 tests..."

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2776
"... if you start pushing the notebook and playing 3D games, video encoding, or even ripping CDs things start to get warm. The bottom back area is especially prone to getting hot, I do not recommend putting this thing in your lap -- it would be uncomfortable given the combined weight and heat...
... if you get a 17" screen notebook just be aware you'll likely be wanting to hangout next to a power outlet, and since these larger notebooks are mostly used as desktop replacements there's no doubt you'll be fine with that... Being a desktop replacement notebook, this is a heavy machine"

http://reviews.cnet.com/Dell_Inspiron_E1705/4505-3121_7-31631866-2.html?tag=nav
"... the Inspiron E1705 is too heavy for regular travel..."

Edit: From a review of the Inspiron 9300, the forerunner of the E1705/9400 and very similar in form factor:

http://www.laptoplogic.com/reviews/detail.php?id=70&part=full&page=2
"... weighing in a bit over 8 lbs, the Dell 9300 is not intended to be carried around...
... the Dell 9300 is not intended to be carried around. Although it is lighter than most 17" laptops, the sheer size of its chassis renders transportation a hassle..."

http://www.laptoplogic.com/reviews/detail.php?id=70&part=full&page=12
"Cons: Bulky chassis...
... arguably the shortest battery life we?ve seen from a Pentium M notebook, due to the power hungry graphics card and massive LCD screen... [Battery life of the E1705 is also not great for some of the same reasons. -Jeff]
... this machine is meant to stay on your desk...
... likely to spend most of its life on a desk..."


 

HomeyFoos

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Sorry man, I made no recommendation. You are thrusting your opinion of what I said when I was VERY clear about my intentions. I got involved to dispute the theory that 17" laptops are not 'portable'. They are. I'm sorry you don't like this. But it folds up just like whatever cheap laptop you have and slides right into a bag. I'm not a student. Haven't been for a long time. But I do have a career and this notebook does not hamper that in the slightest. If it doesn't work around campus then get something smaller. But don't lie to people by saying they can forget about portability. Perhaps it is larger than what an average student requires. For the 4th time now, if that's the case, I whole-heartedly recommend getting something smaller. But if you can handle the size, there is much more value (that's the second time I've said that).

Lastly, your opinion is just that. An opinion. Just like I gave mine. I, however, gave no recommendation and spoke only as someone who is using a 17" laptop as a PORTABLE COMPUTER. Meaning, I use it when I'm not at home. Get it? I don't think you do. All the people in the world can agree on something and that does not make it right. As you progress in college, you will learn that. Or maybe you are in high-school. Who knows. Again, judging by the way you present you arguement, it's is a crap-shoot.



 
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