Friend's dad wants a computer

Jul 10, 2004
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Alright, my friend's dad has come to me because he wants a new computer because his Dell just isn't cutting it anymore. At first I figured I could wip up something decent on Newegg for his basic needs for $350-400ish, until he tells me that he wants to run 4 monitors.

=O

He does stock market stuff using his laptop and regular computer at the same time, but I guess he wants to go all the way and have a huge setup. I would tell him that's a bit excessive, but he said that's what he wants, and I'm getting paid, so how can I complain?

His wants:
-Needs to be able to handle 4 monitors
-Wants a bright/weird colored case
-Needs to be fast (I think his perception has been skewed by that POS Dell he has)
-120GB hard drive is good enough
-One disc drive is good enough
-No fancy sound card required
-$1000 tops (just for the tower, nothing else)

Here's what I came up with

Admittedly I haven't kept up on computer hardware as rigidly as I used to, but I feel I still have a grasp on what's decent. At first I ended up at $1100, but realized that, while this thing is running 4 monitors, this isn't a gaming machine and the biggest thing that's going to be running is stock software. So I turned it down a little, and here are my choices (in order of the Newegg list):

Raidmax Green Case - I've always recommended (and myself use) this case to other people, although I usually choose black It's very solid, comes with decent fans, and has plenty of room for fan expansion. Not sure if I should stick with the old put one fan on the side sucking, and one on the back blowing out, or if I should get a fan or two more. Need some help here, because I've never dealt with running two video cards before. And that color green was about the funkiest color I could find.

ASUS SLI Mobo - Best rated in that price range, and I know ASUS is always top of the line. I also considered saving some money and going with the Gigabyte equivalent. Keep in mind that it doesn't need to be some wicked overclocking board. Should I save some money and go with the Gigabyte?

2x eVGA 6600GTs - One of the things I was sketchy about. I really don't know if this card is the best bang for the buck these days. I've got one myself, and it's awesome, and eVGA has probably the best tech support and warranty service I've ever encountered. I'm iffy because I don't think that this level of video card is needed for what he's going to be doing. Need opinions on this big time.

500W Antec PSU - I think Antec has always been considered the best/one of the best power supplies you can buy. I think 500 watts is plenty since we're not running two monster video cards here.

Athlon64 3700 939 - I was contemplating dual core, but decided against because there's no money room here, and I think that if my 3000 is still kicking most video games' asses, a 3700 should be able to handle stocks.

2x512MB Corsair RAM - Only issue here I can see is if I should step it up and go with 1.5-2gb instead of just 1

Hitachi 250GB - There's always ****** over Maxtor/Seagate/WD, but I've never really heard anything bad about Hitachi. And now your only options are 80, 160, 250 or above, so I decided to spend a little more than a 160 and get something that will last a long time

Samsung DVD Burner - Again, best rated one. I don't think there's a wide variety of options when it comes to this anyway.

Not much else to say. Comes out to $850 shipped to 91344, which he'll be happy about. My one big question is: can you even run 4 monitors at once? I've done dual monitors on one video card, and an SLI setup with one monitor, but never 4 monitors on 2 cards. I doubt it's a problem, but you can never be too sure.

Also, he needs 3 more 17 inch monitors. What's the best bang for the buck when it comes to this? Just from looking at popularity/rating on Newegg, these two seem to be the best option: Samsung and Viewsonic.


Sorry if there's little grammar/spelling mistakes. I'm tired
 

Quiksilver

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It's a nice set up for what you want to do so far.

Howvere i got my little things i'd change too.

First thing i would change would most likely be the hard drive, mainly because no one hardly ever uses IDE hard drives any more, and you can get a SATA 3.0GB/s Hard drive for about the same price, and there backwards compatible with SATA150. This drive right here, will give him the most bang for his buck IMO.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148144

Next thing i'll swap it is the PSU, mainly because you can get a better PSU for within that price range and have SLI Support (which the one you picked out doesn't) and still have better voltages. With that said i will probably go with this, it also fits in with the theme your looking for because of it's LED fan light.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817701004

Note: If he doesn't plan on upgrading this ssytem (Eg. Jsut building a new system later down the road) this PSU would be a good choice.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817194002


Next thing i'd remove would be that corsair value memory as you can get very good RAM at almost the exact same price. Besides, corsair value RAM quality is icky.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820220006

Now i would swap out the 6600GT's for something else, but i don't have any experiernce with equiping multi-monitor system's(more than 2). So there is probably a cheaper solution, but i'll let soeone else explain that.

Lastly i'd change out the optical drive, mainly because i doubt your father will actually use that lightscribe technology that that version of samsung drive offers. Although this one right here is out of stock but it proably won't be for long.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827151133

Other than that, nice build

 

Howard

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Wait a second QuiksilverX1, you say that Corsair VS RAM is "icky" and then you go on to recommend Patriot memory?

The ever-present PSU recommendation is here
 

Twsmit

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I know this isn't a gaming rig, but I don't understand why you are picking obsolete parts and going so far under budget. An IDE hard drive, single core socket 939 and regular DDR is getting very long in the tooth. I would go with the following:

$160 AM2 X2 3800+ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103733
$92 Gigabyte AM2 SLI board http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128321
$215 Corsair PC2 667 DDR2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145098
$180 for 2x GF 7300GT passive cooled http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150162
$145 Antec P150 w/ 430 watt PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811129166
$80 Seagate 16MB cache, top of the line 250GB HDD SATA 3.0 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148144
$40 DVD burner of your choice etc....

Total about $900+

I think its important to stay current, and to get parts that are reliable and quiet. If this is a work computer he does not want or NEED 4x 80mm fans making a horrible amount of noise. Also upgrading to a nice case will keep noise down and look more professional and cleaner. Also with vista on the horizon, I feel dual core and 2GB of ram should be standard for people with the budget you laid out. Lastly passively cooled video cards will be a nice touch and help keep things cooled.

Just my $0.02
 

pkrush

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For the video cards, I'd recommend a pair of 7300gt's instead. Save 50 bucks and feel good.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150162

As for the power supply, you won't need an SLI certified one since those cheap cards draw less than 20 watts each. I'd get the Enhance 5140gh from eWiz or ZipZoomFly instead. Much higher quality, same price.
For the case, definitely look at getting something better than raidmax's 30 dollar laceration special. The last time I ordered a cheap case, it fell apart during shipping. Here's one good alternative for you though:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811125438
This is the case I have now and have been using for at least 2 years, and it's still extremely solid. May not look as "bright/weird" but whatever.
Also, consider switching the Socket 939 system for an AM2 dual core and DDR2 memory, for more upgrade options later. The dual core will be better for what he's doing.
If you do this, I'd get:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103733 for the processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145568 for the RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130047 for the motherboard maybe.


 

Quiksilver

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Originally posted by: Howard
Wait a second QuiksilverX1, you say that Corsair VS RAM is "icky" and then you go on to recommend Patriot memory?


You shouldn't be. The patriot ram IMO has a much-less likelihood to be DOA or dead after only a view weeks of opertaion. Also corsair VS doesn't even list their spec's >_>

Besides, i'm sure if he shopped around he could find much better quality RAM or other parts much cheaper and stay within his budget
 

Rockhound1

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I would have to agree with TWsmit and pkrush. Go with the dual 7300GT's, AM2 motherboard and X2 3800+. The AM2 platform is the most up to date for AMD and since he is likely to be multitasking, the X2 3800+ will fit the bill.

The one thing you might consider regarding the PSU is buying one that is efficient (80% or greater). I am not sure about the PSU's recommended so far, but the Seasonic S series or Antec NeoHE PSUs are effecient and run cool.
 

thecoolnessrune

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Might I recommend the Matrox G450 x4 MMS? While the 7300GTs will provide 4 displays, It also is the only way that I know of to run 4 independently screened monitors. However, the card costs $500-$600. I believe 2 7300GTs would merely provide 2 sets of cloned or spanned images.. Then again, maybe thats what he wants. If so, by all means forget the matrox cards.
 

Howard

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Originally posted by: QuiksilverX1
Originally posted by: Howard
Wait a second QuiksilverX1, you say that Corsair VS RAM is "icky" and then you go on to recommend Patriot memory?


You shouldn't be. The patriot ram IMO has a much-less likelihood to be DOA or dead after only a view weeks of opertaion. Also corsair VS doesn't even list their spec's >_>
You're right about Corsair not listing timing or nominal voltage for the VS sticks, but that doesn't mean the Corsair VS memory is less stringently tested than whatever Patriot's equivalent is.

Where are the statistics you're using to back up your assertion that Patriot value/whatever > Corsair VS memory?
 

ViviTheMage

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Originally posted by: Twsmit
I know this isn't a gaming rig, but I don't understand why you are picking obsolete parts and going so far under budget. An IDE hard drive, single core socket 939 and regular DDR is getting very long in the tooth. I would go with the following:

$160 AM2 X2 3800+ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103733
$92 Gigabyte AM2 SLI board http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128321
$215 Corsair PC2 667 DDR2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145098
$180 for 2x GF 7300GT passive cooled http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150162
$145 Antec P150 w/ 430 watt PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811129166
$80 Seagate 16MB cache, top of the line 250GB HDD SATA 3.0 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148144
$40 DVD burner of your choice etc....

Total about $900+

I think its important to stay current, and to get parts that are reliable and quiet. If this is a work computer he does not want or NEED 4x 80mm fans making a horrible amount of noise. Also upgrading to a nice case will keep noise down and look more professional and cleaner. Also with vista on the horizon, I feel dual core and 2GB of ram should be standard for people with the budget you laid out. Lastly passively cooled video cards will be a nice touch and help keep things cooled.

Just my $0.02

winner, I cant say I would change much but add a more powerful PSU...
 

krotchy

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Originally posted by: Twsmit
I know this isn't a gaming rig, but I don't understand why you are picking obsolete parts and going so far under budget. An IDE hard drive, single core socket 939 and regular DDR is getting very long in the tooth. I would go with the following:

$160 AM2 X2 3800+ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103733
$92 Gigabyte AM2 SLI board http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128321
$215 Corsair PC2 667 DDR2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145098
$180 for 2x GF 7300GT passive cooled http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150162
$145 Antec P150 w/ 430 watt PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811129166
$80 Seagate 16MB cache, top of the line 250GB HDD SATA 3.0 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148144
$40 DVD burner of your choice etc....

Total about $900+

I think its important to stay current, and to get parts that are reliable and quiet. If this is a work computer he does not want or NEED 4x 80mm fans making a horrible amount of noise. Also upgrading to a nice case will keep noise down and look more professional and cleaner. Also with vista on the horizon, I feel dual core and 2GB of ram should be standard for people with the budget you laid out. Lastly passively cooled video cards will be a nice touch and help keep things cooled.

Just my $0.02

This is about perfect for him. The 7300 Gt's are for sure my video card choices for him. The only thing I dont recommend is the Antec P150 and especially not the power supply that comes with it. A good choices is a Cooler Master Centurion Case, with a Seasonic 400W power supply.
 

Quiksilver

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Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: QuiksilverX1
Originally posted by: Howard
Wait a second QuiksilverX1, you say that Corsair VS RAM is "icky" and then you go on to recommend Patriot memory?


You shouldn't be. The patriot ram IMO has a much-less likelihood to be DOA or dead after only a view weeks of opertaion. Also corsair VS doesn't even list their spec's >_>
You're right about Corsair not listing timing or nominal voltage for the VS sticks, but that doesn't mean the Corsair VS memory is less stringently tested than whatever Patriot's equivalent is.

Where are the statistics you're using to back up your assertion that Patriot value/whatever > Corsair VS memory?



I can't find a review comparing those two exactly, but i can find comparison's betweem VS and XMS RAM where in some cases the gain was approx: 35% in some benchmarks.
I can also find Patriots Sister set of PC3200 RAM @ 2225 Latency's and it's able to surpass the XMS series cards in most benchmarks.

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1718&page=

http://www.techspot.com/reviews/hardware/corsair_xms_vs_value_select/
 

skrewler2

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Whats with the 17" monitors? Has he seen the Dell 20", 24" and 30" widescreen monitors? Two 20"/24" or even just one 30" would probably be fine for him.
 

d3n

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Heh, get him a new Dell precision workstation or a Dell 2900 Server platform with SLI quatro cards.

With stock trading I would say that reliability would be very important, The new SAS drive tech and the burn in testing that Dell does would be well worth it imho. I have a feeling that any problems and you've alread volunteered to step in and be this guys tech support .
 

aclim

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i would ddef get a dual core cpu because he will probably me multitasking alot
 

brikis98

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Originally posted by: Twsmit
I know this isn't a gaming rig, but I don't understand why you are picking obsolete parts and going so far under budget. An IDE hard drive, single core socket 939 and regular DDR is getting very long in the tooth. I would go with the following:

$160 AM2 X2 3800+ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103733
$92 Gigabyte AM2 SLI board http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128321
$215 Corsair PC2 667 DDR2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145098
$180 for 2x GF 7300GT passive cooled http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150162
$145 Antec P150 w/ 430 watt PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811129166
$80 Seagate 16MB cache, top of the line 250GB HDD SATA 3.0 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148144
$40 DVD burner of your choice etc....

Total about $900+

I think its important to stay current, and to get parts that are reliable and quiet. If this is a work computer he does not want or NEED 4x 80mm fans making a horrible amount of noise. Also upgrading to a nice case will keep noise down and look more professional and cleaner. Also with vista on the horizon, I feel dual core and 2GB of ram should be standard for people with the budget you laid out. Lastly passively cooled video cards will be a nice touch and help keep things cooled.

Just my $0.02

this is definitely an excellent recommendation. modern parts, dual core cpu, support for 4 monitors, quiet and upgradeable.

the only changes i'd make would be as pkrush suggested: an enhance 5140gh PSU from eWiz.com (better and cheaper) and a better case, such as the Chemming one he linked.
 

Aluvus

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Originally posted by: d3n
Heh, get him a new Dell precision workstation or a Dell 2900 Server platform with SLI quatro cards.

SLI can only drive one monitor.

Let's hear more about these 4 monitors. If they are VGA (not DVI), and this machine is only going to be used for business, then skip over the expensive gaming card and buy 2 cheap PCI cards with support for 2 monitors each and be done with it. Much cheaper, and can be extended to support more monitors in the future if you have a motherboard with more than 2 PCI slots.
 

Cheesetogo

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IMO get the cheapest cards with dual dvi, don't bother getting anything better. Or get a maxtor with 4 ports - but those tend to be expensive.
 

Bobthelost

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Originally posted by: Twsmit
I know this isn't a gaming rig, but I don't understand why you are picking obsolete parts and going so far under budget. An IDE hard drive, single core socket 939 and regular DDR is getting very long in the tooth. I would go with the following:

$160 AM2 X2 3800+ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103733
$92 Gigabyte AM2 SLI board http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128321
$215 Corsair PC2 667 DDR2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145098
$180 for 2x GF 7300GT passive cooled http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150162
$145 Antec P150 w/ 430 watt PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811129166
$80 Seagate 16MB cache, top of the line 250GB HDD SATA 3.0 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148144
$40 DVD burner of your choice etc....

Total about $900+

Just my $0.02

I like it, and the case and PSU are fine. 7300GTs draw about as much power as the standby LED on your TV (ok, so i exagerate ) but you're not going to be stressing the PSU with that sort of set up. Think about it, a 450W PSU can handle SLI'd 7900GTs.

However i'm not sure about the RAM, 2GB yes, but what speed does AM2 like best? It's safe to say there's no overclocking here but would it just be throwing money away?
 

pkrush

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For memory, I'd get DDR2-667 since DDR2-533 isn't mich cheaper and DDR2-800 is extremely overpriced.
To have 4 monitors, you don't need the expensive Matrox card, and I can say from experience how disappointing cheap PCI video cards are even in 2D. To get 4 monitors out of an SLI setup, just enable SLI on the motherboard, plug in the cards, but DON'T enable SLI in Windows.
As for the case, he said he wanted something "wild and funky" but most of those are really crappy, so I recommended one that I know is decent and more colorful than the typical black and silver case.
For the power supply, I doubt this computer is ever going to draw more than 200 watts, but remember that the power supply is the one component that can destroy an entire system so get a good brand (any Seasonic, Enhance, or even Antec supply will work).
 

ryan256

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Not a bad build. Most people are suggesting you change the PSU. I however am going to tell you you must change the PSU! Why?? 20pin PSU + 24pin mobo = problem! If you want to stick with Antec I suggest this PSU. I actually have one of these and it runs great. Only $5 more than the other also.
Also on the hard drive side why are you sticking with IDE?? The mobo has an SATA controller so use it! My recommendation is this Seagate. Still 250GB and comes with a 5 year warrenty.
Lastly round it out with a nice cheap DVD burner.
 
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