Fringe treehugging leftist prioritizes plants over people

zendari

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Easing of Northwest Logging Rules Blocked

SEATTLE - A federal judge struck down a move by the Bush administration to ease logging restrictions in the Northwest, saying the government failed to consider the effect on rare plants and animals.

U.S. District Judge Marsha Pechman said in her ruling Monday that under federal law, authorities had an obligation to show why the logging restrictions should be changed.

Pechman said she would not issue any specific injunctions pending further hearings, and the U.S. Forest Service said Tuesday it hopes to salvage the Bush initiative by fixing the problems cited by the judge.

The rule change, which took effect in the spring of 2004, said forest managers no longer had to look for rare species before logging. The timber industry had complained for years that the rules were overly intrusive and could take years to complete.

Instead, the Forest Service and the Bureau of Land Management were to use information provided by state officials in Washington, Oregon and California in determining whether to allow logging, prescribed burns, and trail- or campground-building.

The change applied to 5.5 million acres of old-growth and other forests in the Northwest.

A coalition of environmental groups sued to stop the change, saying it would double logging on federal land in the region and have disastrous consequences for rare species. They cheered the ruling Tuesday.

"That's a huge decision for people who care about old-growth forests in our region and the species that depend on them," said Dominick DellaSala, a forest ecologist with the World Wildlife Fund, one of the plaintiffs in the case.

Rex Holloway, a regional spokesman for the Forest Service, said the agency's lawyers were reviewing the decision and the "inadequacies" pointed out by the judge.



I'm glad to see this woman thinks she knows better than the states of California, Washington and Oregon. She was a Clinton appointee in 1999.
 

halik

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Oct 10, 2000
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Originally posted by: zendari
Easing of Northwest Logging Rules Blocked

SEATTLE - A federal judge struck down a move by the Bush administration to ease logging restrictions in the Northwest, saying the government failed to consider the effect on rare plants and animals.

U.S. District Judge Marsha Pechman said in her ruling Monday that under federal law, authorities had an obligation to show why the logging restrictions should be changed.

Pechman said she would not issue any specific injunctions pending further hearings, and the U.S. Forest Service said Tuesday it hopes to salvage the Bush initiative by fixing the problems cited by the judge.

The rule change, which took effect in the spring of 2004, said forest managers no longer had to look for rare species before logging. The timber industry had complained for years that the rules were overly intrusive and could take years to complete.

Instead, the Forest Service and the Bureau of Land Management were to use information provided by state officials in Washington, Oregon and California in determining whether to allow logging, prescribed burns, and trail- or campground-building.

The change applied to 5.5 million acres of old-growth and other forests in the Northwest.

A coalition of environmental groups sued to stop the change, saying it would double logging on federal land in the region and have disastrous consequences for rare species. They cheered the ruling Tuesday.

"That's a huge decision for people who care about old-growth forests in our region and the species that depend on them," said Dominick DellaSala, a forest ecologist with the World Wildlife Fund, one of the plaintiffs in the case.

Rex Holloway, a regional spokesman for the Forest Service, said the agency's lawyers were reviewing the decision and the "inadequacies" pointed out by the judge.



I'm glad to see this woman thinks she knows better than the states of California, Washington and Oregon. She was a Clinton appointee in 1999.

U.S. District Judge Marsha Pechman said in her ruling Monday that under federal law, authorities had an obligation to show why the logging restrictions should be changed.

Oh damn those librull judges for following the law :roll:


 

apologetic

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I seriously think environmentalists should start a colony where they can all live together to be "one with Mother Nature"

Earth changes. It's not a bad thing. Get over it.
 

zendari

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They did give a reason.
The timber industry had complained for years that the rules were overly intrusive and could take years to complete.

Course, this woman is in the pocket of the envirowackos.

 

imported_tss4

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Jun 30, 2004
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Originally posted by: zendari
I'm glad to see this woman thinks she knows better than the states of California, Washington and Oregon. She was a Clinton appointee in 1999.


So are you calling the judge a liar?

under federal law, authorities had an obligation to show why the logging restrictions should be changed.

Because, if not then she up held the law strictly. If you have some proof to support your very dramatic OP title then I'd certainly be interested in it, otherwise you may want to tone down your inflamatory titles until you do.
 

Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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Are leftist prioritizing plants over people or just the lustful swill-sucking blind greed of some people who would cut up their Mothers for a buck?

Thank God at least Bush believes in the rule of law!
 

imported_tss4

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Jun 30, 2004
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Originally posted by: apologetic
I seriously think environmentalists should start a colony where they can all live together to be "one with Mother Nature"

Earth changes. It's not a bad thing. Get over it.

So your ok with a coal plant in your backyard? Do you enjoy the fact that our air quality is considerable better then chinas? Environmentalist have made some very real contributions to your quality of life.
 

IronWing

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Jul 20, 2001
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Originally posted by: zendari
They did give a reason.
The timber industry had complained for years that the rules were overly intrusive and could take years to complete.

Course, this woman is in the pocket of the envirowackos.

If the Bushies have the votes to change the law they should go for it. Simply violating laws they don't like is not acceptable behavior for government agencies.
 

EyeMNathan

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Feb 15, 2004
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We have a massive amount of trees here in Washington, it's one of the coolest parts about the state. Let us keep the trees, makes the place look nice. Without them it'd just be a wet mudhole.
 

hardwareguru84

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May 29, 2004
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Ahh who needs trees anyway, what do they do? Provide oxygen and help preserve an ecological balance? I'm sure we can buy someone to do that for us. =) Controlled burns and limited logging are fine, but if they tried to circumvent the law then they need to address what they wiggled around and make it legal.
 

redhatlinux

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Oct 6, 2001
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Come on Guys !!. The left and the right are not at War here. Let common sense rule. Logging in old growth forests absolutely is of benefit. Clearing away 'junk' which old growth is not, but gets cleared in the process, is essential to the health of the forest. Fires would do the same thing in a more natural manner. Federal lands are so overgrown at the present that its almost criminal NOT to clear out some of the timber. As far as protected species, sure, find a peaceful way to protect them. Don't spike the trees so that an innocent logger or saw mill worker sustains an injury while just doing their job. So many issues face the President these days, I believe that George is doing a pretty fair job, he has stuck to his beliefs and pretty much to the promises that he made while running for re-election.
 

imported_tss4

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All excellent points. But I don't think its neccesary as the OP did to attack this judge for making a decission based on the law. The affected parties said they would try again while addressing the judge's concerns. Seperation of powers is a good thing.
 
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Originally posted by: zendari
They did give a reason.
The timber industry had complained for years that the rules were overly intrusive and could take years to complete.

Course, this woman is in the pocket of the envirowackos.

Complained for years = reason. :roll:
And envirowackos?
Sheesh. The neo-cons have you thoroughly brainwashed. I believe dubya has a medal of freedumb for ya.
 

CaptnKirk

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Jul 25, 2002
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Do you think the OP would have the same attitude if they were an asparagus fern, or a spotted owl ?
 

Czar

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Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: redhatlinux
Come on Guys !!. The left and the right are not at War here. Let common sense rule. Logging in old growth forests absolutely is of benefit. Clearing away 'junk' which old growth is not, but gets cleared in the process, is essential to the health of the forest. Fires would do the same thing in a more natural manner. Federal lands are so overgrown at the present that its almost criminal NOT to clear out some of the timber. As far as protected species, sure, find a peaceful way to protect them. Don't spike the trees so that an innocent logger or saw mill worker sustains an injury while just doing their job. So many issues face the President these days, I believe that George is doing a pretty fair job, he has stuck to his beliefs and pretty much to the promises that he made while running for re-election.
in forests, dead trees which have fallen... and cant get up.. are one of the condensed areas of life there. Clearing the ground does not help the forest.. only makes it pretty and tourist ready.

 

imported_tss4

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Jun 30, 2004
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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Do you think the OP would have the same attitude if they were an asparagus fern, or a spotted owl ?

I doubt the OP would even be able to comprehend the topic is he was an asparagus fern, or a spotted owl.
 

hardwareguru84

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May 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: redhatlinux
Come on Guys !!. The left and the right are not at War here. Let common sense rule. Logging in old growth forests absolutely is of benefit. Clearing away 'junk' which old growth is not, but gets cleared in the process, is essential to the health of the forest. Fires would do the same thing in a more natural manner. Federal lands are so overgrown at the present that its almost criminal NOT to clear out some of the timber. As far as protected species, sure, find a peaceful way to protect them. Don't spike the trees so that an innocent logger or saw mill worker sustains an injury while just doing their job. So many issues face the President these days, I believe that George is doing a pretty fair job, he has stuck to his beliefs and pretty much to the promises that he made while running for re-election.
in forests, dead trees which have fallen... and cant get up.. are one of the condensed areas of life there. Clearing the ground does not help the forest.. only makes it pretty and tourist ready.

In the case of controlled burns, they do help the forest. That would provide an immense amount of nutrients and natural fertilizers for growth and population of a newly planted forest. Simply clearing it out would do no good.
 
Feb 16, 2005
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There's unsightly foliage in the way of our profit!! CLEAR IT OUT!! And damn the animals and birds that make that area their home. They can move into the encroaching suburban spawl. It's manifest destiny dammit! We are god's ultimate creatures, we rule all!
I think that sums up the mentality
 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Do you think the OP would have the same attitude if they were an asparagus fern, or a spotted owl ?

I doubt the OP would even be able to comprehend the topic is he was an asparagus fern, or a spotted owl.

There's a lot of things that the OP doesn't comprehend, and that's why I gave him the benefit of doubt with the Asparagus Fern.

 

umbrella39

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Jun 11, 2004
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Originally posted by: zendari
Easing of Northwest Logging Rules Blocked

SEATTLE - A federal judge struck down a move by the Bush administration to ease logging restrictions in the Northwest, saying the government failed to consider the effect on rare plants and animals.

U.S. District Judge Marsha Pechman said in her ruling Monday that under federal law, authorities had an obligation to show why the logging restrictions should be changed.

Pechman said she would not issue any specific injunctions pending further hearings, and the U.S. Forest Service said Tuesday it hopes to salvage the Bush initiative by fixing the problems cited by the judge.

The rule change, which took effect in the spring of 2004, said forest managers no longer had to look for rare species before logging. The timber industry had complained for years that the rules were overly intrusive and could take years to complete.

Instead, the Forest Service and the Bureau of Land Management were to use information provided by state officials in Washington, Oregon and California in determining whether to allow logging, prescribed burns, and trail- or campground-building.

The change applied to 5.5 million acres of old-growth and other forests in the Northwest.

A coalition of environmental groups sued to stop the change, saying it would double logging on federal land in the region and have disastrous consequences for rare species. They cheered the ruling Tuesday.

"That's a huge decision for people who care about old-growth forests in our region and the species that depend on them," said Dominick DellaSala, a forest ecologist with the World Wildlife Fund, one of the plaintiffs in the case.

Rex Holloway, a regional spokesman for the Forest Service, said the agency's lawyers were reviewing the decision and the "inadequacies" pointed out by the judge.



I'm glad to see this woman thinks she knows better than the states of California, Washington and Oregon. She was a Clinton appointee in 1999.

Trees are dumb. Laws are teh suxors.

Eagerly awaits the day one of the rightie nutbags can add you to their unban sig.
 

Strk

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Nov 23, 2003
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You know, it wasn't that long ago that I saw a special on PBS about the environment and how they're experimenting using the biosphere. (That failed thing in Arizona) It was quite interesting. They are able to control everything in the environment, allowing them to do the experiments you can't do out in the natural world. (ie: boost the CO2 levels to uninhabitable levels etc)

Now, the part that I found the most englightening was this: one of the scientists made the state that, we will ultimately survive regardless of what we do, but it's a matter of what we want to survive in.

And I find it foolish that someone thinks this judge is an "envirowacko" just because she thinks the companies should follow the regulations that have been put in place.

I also can't figure out why being an environmentalist suddenly makes you a leftist. Yes, there are many on the left who are extreme environmentalists, but who cares? In the end, what happens to the environment affects everyone. This is just one of those issues that never quite made sense to me, as a whole, on why it should be on one side of the spectrum over the other. (Outside of some of the supporters, that is.)
 
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Originally posted by: zendari
They did give a reason.
The timber industry had complained for years that the rules were overly intrusive and could take years to complete.

Course, this woman is in the pocket of the envirowackos.

I'll try to make this simple for you, since you are apparently unable to read even the section of this article that you yourself have quoted.

There are three branches of government. The judiciary (that's what a judge is part of) is there to interpret laws passed by Congress (as, in this case, implemented by the Executive Branch, specifically BLM and the Forest Service).

The judge in this case followed the law as it was written. If she had allowed variances from the law as she deemed appropriate, it would (at least arguably) have constituted the dreaded "judicial activism." Enforcing the laws as they're written is what judges are for, at least if you ask President Bush and Tom DeLay.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: why can't this forum impose a "You must be THIS tall to post" rule?
 
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