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Donts00tmesanta

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get the i5 but with the saving of the and cpu you could get more ram or put it to a gfx970 or something
 
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SlowSpyder

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If I could find a 4590 same price as 8320 I'm down


Price is key


Anytime someone says they are going with an AMD CPU you get the responses you see in this thread. The FX8320 is a fine CPU for the money. It isn't top of the line, but is priced accordingly. It is a good upgrade from an E8400. Enjoy your new build!
 

SlowSpyder

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Price shouldn't blind you when the i5 is so much better for not much more outlay over a 2-3yr lifespan build.


I just looked at the AT bench. They didn't have an i5 4590, but they did have an i5 4670K. I'm not sure what the difference is between the 45xx and 46xx, but both have 6MB of cache total, both use HD4600 graphics, both have pretty much the same features from what I see. The clockspeed difference is slightly in favor of the 4670K in both the CPU and graphics, but it is a small difference.

Just going by current Newegg prices, the i5 is 33% more money than the FX. Sometimes it is that much faster and more, often it is only a little faster, and sometimes it is actually slower (and keep in mind I'm looking at a faster i5 4670K). "So much better" sounds like marketing. The i5 is probably the better CPU for most people and a more balanced CPU, but I think the difference for most people is really rather small in real world use. And as someone who builds on a budget these days, I'd much rather have the FX 8320 and put that extra money into a bigger SSD or better video card.
 

Denithor

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Also keep in mind, the 8320 will consume more energy running the same workload than the i5. Don't know what energy costs where you live, this may not be an issue at all, but it's definitely there.
 

Cerb

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I just looked at the AT bench. They didn't have an i5 4590, but they did have an i5 4670K. I'm not sure what the difference is between the 45xx and 46xx
45xx v. 46xx aren't themselves really different.
i5-4460, 4590, 4690, and i7-4790, along with the Ks, are refresh (Devil's Canyon) CPUs, at +100MHz, compared to those they replaced, except for the i7-4790K. So, barring special sales, you generally would have no reason to buy an i5-4430, i5-440, i5-4570, i5-4670, i7-4770, or i7-4771, today.
 

SlowSpyder

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45xx v. 46xx aren't themselves really different.
i5-4460, 4590, 4690, and i7-4790, along with the Ks, are refresh (Devil's Canyon) CPUs, at +100MHz, compared to those they replaced, except for the i7-4790K. So, barring special sales, you generally would have no reason to buy an i5-4430, i5-440, i5-4570, i5-4670, i7-4770, or i7-4771, today.


I know what Devil's Canyon is, but didn't know if the 45xx was somehow different than the 46xx other than clockspeed. Seems like an odd naming convention, but then again AMD's isn't much different... an FX8350 and FX9590 only differ in the factory voltage setting and clockspeed, as an example. Thanks for the explanation. :thumbsup:
 
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I just looked at the AT bench. They didn't have an i5 4590, but they did have an i5 4670K. I'm not sure what the difference is between the 45xx and 46xx, but both have 6MB of cache total, both use HD4600 graphics, both have pretty much the same features from what I see. The clockspeed difference is slightly in favor of the 4670K in both the CPU and graphics, but it is a small difference.

Just going by current Newegg prices, the i5 is 33% more money than the FX. Sometimes it is that much faster and more, often it is only a little faster, and sometimes it is actually slower (and keep in mind I'm looking at a faster i5 4670K). "So much better" sounds like marketing. The i5 is probably the better CPU for most people and a more balanced CPU, but I think the difference for most people is really rather small in real world use. And as someone who builds on a budget these days, I'd much rather have the FX 8320 and put that extra money into a bigger SSD or better video card.

I looked at eight or ten of the most recent game benchmarks at game.gpu, and I forget the exact number, but an i5 *was* in fact 30 or 40 percent faster on average than an 8350. Saying the cpu costs 33% more is correct, but shortsighted IMO, because you dont purchase a cpu to let it on the shelf in the box and run games. You purchase it as part of a system that can easily cost 1000.00 or more, so the price difference for the *system* is more like 10% at most. And that extra cost is mitigated by being spread out over hopefully 3 years or so that a system will last, and also mitigated somewhat by energy savings. I am not saying an FX is a bad chip, or wont do the job. I am saying that I think it deserves serious consideration to spend the extra money to get what you yourself said is a more well rounded chip,especially for gaming. Now if you primary purpose is productivity, especially the uses cases were the FX excels, with minimal gaming, the FX is probably the best option.
 

Abwx

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I looked at eight or ten of the most recent game benchmarks at game.gpu, and I forget the exact number, but an i5 *was* in fact 30 or 40 percent faster on average than an 8350.

Hardware.fr use mainly poorly threaded games.

Averages on games and applications.






If it was 30-40% faster it would show in the 3D graph, expect the FXs to improve in these averages while the i5 will be downgraded like it did in the last year, anyway so much for the "in fact"...
 
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Always is the wrong test or great performance is just over the horizon, like a mirage in the desert, but somehow never appears. Even you own graph shows a 27 percent increase going from 8350 to 4690k.
 

Cerb

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I know what Devil's Canyon is, but didn't know if the 45xx was somehow different than the 46xx other than clockspeed. Seems like an odd naming convention, but then again AMD's isn't much different... an FX8350 and FX9590 only differ in the factory voltage setting and clockspeed, as an example. Thanks for the explanation. :thumbsup:
In that case, yeah, I think Intel wants to keep the naming just odd enough not to be able to make a system out of it. 1-3 = i3, 4-6 = i5 (except for 2nd gen), 7 = i7 (except for 1st and 2nd gen)...and they can't name the Pentiums with the 1st digit matching the generation of the socket like with the Cores.
 

Abwx

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Always is the wrong test or great performance is just over the horizon, like a mirage in the desert, but somehow never appears. Even you own graph shows a 27 percent increase going from 8350 to 4690k.

Thoses HFR ranks were not the same one year ago using the same softs but with a few with previous versions, the FX is ranking 15% better in respect of the i5 and even 10% better compared to the i7, so it s not over the horizon, it s here..

The trend is for always more multithreaded softs where it can benefit the user and games not only would benefit from more MT but they also are integer ops based applications, and in this register the FXs have noticeably more ressources than the i5, since we re talking of a 2-3 years perspective you can be sure that the ranking above s will still change in favour of the CPU with 8T, like it did the past two years each year.
 

Jacky60

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Well it is an upgrade but as others say it's not exactly the cpu of choice for gaming. In 3 years time it may well outperform the i5, it may well not. I'm pretty sure it has yet to surpass the performance of an i7 920 at 4ghz (a reasonable overclock) from 5 years ago.
Things for this CPU can only get better.
 
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With the savings iv could put it to say avgtx 970 I figured more and more apps and games will take advantage of the increased threads
 

Bradtech519

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Congrats on the upgrade. It's always fun to get new toys. I am very pleased with my FX 8350 & overall system in the signature below. I also had an E8400. That thing in it's day was a beast to be respected. I remember going from an overclocked X2 3800+ to an E8400 & it felt night & day in battlefield 2. I then sold it to a buddy that needed a new rig for Age of Conan coming out & I went back to an AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Windsor which was respectable in comparison. He later upgraded to an FX 8150 bulldozer and sold that rig which is still running today. I've found I've got good enough performance in all the games I play & in distributed computing projects on my 8350. I didn't get a good overclocking chip and hit a voltage wall around 4.4 GHz to stay stable. Some people on FX 8320/8350s are getting much better. I run mine at stock & at load it only gets around 47-50c. For the price they are good chips in my opinion. Most of the games I play are ancient & it gives me good enough performance to play without lag & then I can turn around and have 8 threads going on DC projects.
 
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Ordered the MSI 970 gaming waiting for a cheaper deal on the 8320 or 8350

Looking at PSUshttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371016
 
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