From Natural News: Vaccine bombshell: CDC whistleblower reveals cover-up

[werepossum]

As odd as it may sound there's something to TH's contention about having conditions too clean. In fact it's the leading serious contender as to why allergies and asthma has increased. The immune system has more than one mechanism and it is vital that there is sufficient exposure during a window of development. It is absolutely impossible to have a correctly functioning immune system if this does not occur. Naturally, the degree of response is dependent on the individual so one person may be OK and another not. You can find studies which show that children who have a dog during a specific developmental stage have fewer allergies and related conditions. The reason is dogs bring in substances, pollens and such, which stimulate the immune system. Kids used to play in the mud, roll in the grass. Now they watch TV or play games indoors and once the vital period of development passes no amount of exposure can fix things.

Oh, I agree 100% with Texashiker's point. I was just pointing out that there are practical water purifiers, which is good because the back country is not a good place to have an acute microbial attack.

Although full disclosure, I took backpacking in college and our teacher told us to never to wash cooking and eating utensils with soap, as the likelihood of developing debilitating cramps and diarrhea from bacteria is infinitely lower over a two week trip than is the likelihood of developing debilitating cramps and diarrhea from improperly removed soap residue. (Note: That was thirty-five years ago, so YMMV.)

Now please explain why death rates from infectious diseases were far higher prior to modern sanitation practices.

Two different things. Normal outdoor play is very seldom fatal from infectious sources and is good for you. Death from infectious diseases usually stems from indoor social interaction or from lack of modern sanitation practices, especially during medical treatment and waste treatment but also daily sanitation. Being exposed to dirt and bacteria is good; inability to not be continuously exposed to dirt and bacteria is bad.

 

[OverVolt]

Oh, I agree 100% with Texashiker's point. I was just pointing out that there are practical water purifiers, which is good because the back country is not a good place to have an acute microbial attack.

Although full disclosure, I took backpacking in college and our teacher told us to never to wash cooking and eating utensils with soap, as the likelihood of developing debilitating cramps and diarrhea from bacteria is infinitely lower over a two week trip than is the likelihood of developing debilitating cramps and diarrhea from improperly removed soap residue. (Note: That was thirty-five years ago, so YMMV.)


Two different things. Normal outdoor play is very seldom fatal from infectious sources and is good for you. Death from infectious diseases usually stems from indoor social interaction or from lack of modern sanitation practices, especially during medical treatment and waste treatment but also daily sanitation. Being exposed to dirt and bacteria is good; inability to not be continuously exposed to dirt and bacteria is bad.

Different bacteria thrive on different surfaces. The bacteria in dirt outside, shouldn't cause problems. The bacteria on a door handle touched by 200 people after they picked their nose is a different story.

 

[Texashiker]

The bacteria on a door handle touched by 200 people after they picked their nose is a different story.

I find it amazing how many people do not wash their hands after going to a public rest room.

It is really "that" difficult to take 30 second, use soap and water to wash your hands?

 

[DrPizza]

I find it amazing how many people do not wash their hands after going to a public rest room.

It is really "that" difficult to take 30 second, use soap and water to wash your hands?

I take a shower every morning. My penis is then covered in underwear. It's one of the cleanest parts of my body, particularly compared to my hands which have been touching bacteria covered surfaces all day. if anything, I should wash *before* pulling it out. Urine is normally sterile.

On the other hand, if someone gets shit on their hands, touching the faucet to turn off the water after washing is going to transfer that to my hands.

 

[Texashiker]

On the other hand, if someone gets shit on their hands, touching the faucet to turn off the water after washing is going to transfer that to my hands.

In public restrooms that is why I use a paper towel to turn off the faucet and open the door on the way out.

 

[dank69]

In public restrooms that is why I use a paper towel to turn off the faucet and open the door on the way out.

Aren't you the guy who espouses getting sick to naturally build antibodies rather than getting vaccinated?

EDIT: Oh, yep you even posted that in this thread. So why wash your hands after you touch your pee-pee? Don't you want a strong immune system?

 

[Texashiker]

Aren't you the guy who espouses getting sick to naturally build antibodies rather than getting vaccinated?

EDIT: Oh, yep you even posted that in this thread. So why wash your hands after you touch your pee-pee? Don't you want a strong immune system?

Fecal to oral is no way to build your immune system.

 

[norseamd]

Fecal to oral is no way to build your immune system.

Well it is. Just that semi-dangerous bacteria and viruses are in your shit so it is not an ideal way to build your immune system than other possibilities. The amount of contact rather than that existence of contact is what is dangerous with your own shit compared to virulent diseases that you can pick up from other organisms.

But the regular germs in your piss and shit are not the reasons why you need to wash your hands after using any public restroom. Piss and shit are not the diseases themselves but instead dangerous disease vectors that can spread extremely virulent and dangerous diseases throughout massive population areas without much trouble.

 

[dank69]

Fecal to oral is no way to build your immune system.

You breathe fecal particles all day, every day.

 

[Texashiker]

Well it is. Just that semi-dangerous bacteria and viruses are in your shit so it is not an ideal way to build your immune system than other possibilities.

You breathe fecal particles all day, every day.

Of which has nothing to do with the CDC editing studies and keeping inforamtion from the public.

 

[JEDIYoda]

nothing better to do that argue about taking vaccines as opposed to not taking vaccines......only an idiot would would refuse vaccines for their children...

 

[Texashiker]

nothing better to do that argue about taking vaccines as opposed to not taking vaccines......only an idiot would would refuse vaccines for their children...

Seems there was a connection to increased autism risk when vaccines were given before a certain age. But the CDC covered that information up.

So why not just postpone the vaccines by a few months?

This is a blatant betrayal of public trust.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Seems there was a connection to increased autism risk when vaccines were given before a certain age. But the CDC covered that information up.

So why not just postpone the vaccines by a few months?

This is a blatant betrayal of public trust.

Because there was no link.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Because there was no link.

"It seems there was" wasn't. Why they keep saying this when there's no scientific basis is something I'll never understand.

 

[Texashiker]

Because there was no link.

Purposely excluding data from test to achieve a desired goal is unethical.

 

[JEDIYoda]

http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/searching-for-answers/vaccines-autism

Autism-Vaccine Link: Evidence Doesn't Dispel Doubts

Autism and vaccines: It's the link that just won't die.

The American Academy of Pediatrics, the CDC, the World Health Organization, and the Institute of Medicine all agree that there's probably no relationship between autism and vaccines.

But if the case is that solid, why do so many people remain unconvinced, from actress Jenny McCarthy, who went on Oprah to say she believes that a vaccination caused her son's autism and wrote a book about it, to Sen. John McCain, who, at a campaign event earlier this year, said he thought there was "pretty strong evidence" that some vaccines cause autism.

Their beliefs may have been validated in March when federal officials said that a Georgia girl was entitled to compensation because vaccines may have aggravated an underlying condition, causing autism-like symptoms.

And researchers at the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) said in March that they are still taking a careful look into parent concerns that vaccines are tied to the disorder.

"I think there's a lot of emotion around the issue of autism now. It engenders a lot of fear in parents and clinicians alike," Lee Sanders, MD, MPH, associate professor of pediatrics at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine, tells WebMD.

Sanders knows that emotion firsthand, as the father of two young girls. "Until they turned 2 or 3, that was probably the thing I feared most," Sanders says, referring to autism.

Sanders strongly supports vaccines, saying their benefits far outweigh their risks. But he understands where the concern about vaccines and autism comes from.

That concern is difficult to suppress for a number of reasons. Parents are bombarded with information that can take a life of its own online. The concepts around scientific testing are difficult to understand, making it tough to separate good science from bad. Until scientists can prove exactly what causes autism, it's difficult to definitively disprove anything.

"In the absence of any answers from the scientific community, any scintilla of suggestion is going to get magnified by the social process of talking it out," Sanders says. "All you need is one individual's story and it will expand."

And when something bad happens to a child, people demand to know what or whom is to blame. "Parents are clamoring for a cause," says David Tayloe, MD, a pediatrician in Greensboro, N.C., and president-elect of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP).

"It's a terrible condition. It upsets families, and it upsets me." But all the fear and anger about vaccines is misplaced, he says. "There's just nothing there."

Vaccine-Autism Disconnect: MMR Vaccine, Thimerosal

The main reason why anyone talks about vaccines and autism is that some parents have noticed changes in children shortly after the children were vaccinated. Their kids seemed to be developing normally, then suddenly stopped interacting with people and lost language abilities -- a condition called "regressive" autism.

 

[Texashiker]

Autism-Vaccine Link: Evidence Doesn't Dispel Doubts

Autism and vaccines: It's the link that just won't die.

According to new information the test results were fudged. The CDC is accused of altering the test to achieve a certain result.

Which if true is unethical.

I am not saying vaccines contribute to autism.

I am saying however, we need to find out if the CDC altered the test results.

 

[JEDIYoda]

According to new information the test results were fudged. The CDC is accused of altering the test to achieve a certain result.

Which if true is unethical.

I am not saying vaccines contribute to autism.

I am saying however, we need to find out if the CDC altered the test results.

that's an easy cop out without credible links....

 

[Texashiker]

that's an easy cop out without credible links....

According to some recent reports all the information was given to CNN reporters, including exact names and details.

It is probably going to take a little while for everything to come out.

 

[norseamd]

It was a specific vaccine at specific ages apparently. Not all vaccines. If this is true then it is a huge problem and there is going to be a ton of backlash against the government and big business. The vaccine was MMR when given to kids under the age of 3. Even worse it specifically affected African-American kids more than other ethnicites. Very bad. There might be huge ramifications because of this. Hopefully this might lead to some cleaning up of the FDA and other government agencies. This is probably looking very bad for the government considering it only gives all the conspiracy theorists lots of more shit to go off on. And some of you guys are wondering why no one else in the world is trusting of the western big government and big business including vaccines and medical treatment. They manipulated the data by excluding any kids without valid birth certificates from the state of Georgia. There was lots of work from the CDC and the pharmaceutical companies to cover any of this data from being exposed.

http://www.anh-usa.org/autism-vaccine-cover-up-latest-updates/

• In February 2004, a study of the MMR vaccine was published in the journal Pediatrics by three CDC scientists working in the National Immunization Program; one of them was Dr. Thompson. The study, in which vaccine data was gathered on 2,583 children in metropolitan Atlanta born between 1986 and 1993, concluded that there were “no significant associations” between the age at which the vaccine is administered and the incidence of “developmental regression” such as autism. This study has been used for the past decade by the those seeking to say there is no link between autism and vaccines. It should be noted that Pediatrics receives financial support from vaccine makers through advertising and direct donations, according to a CBS News report.
• That same month, Dr. Thompson wrote to Dr. Julie Gerberding (then director of the CDC, now director of Merck’s vaccine division). In this letter he discusses his intention to present, at an Institute of Medicine meeting on vaccines and autism the following week, “several problematic results” that the Atlanta study had produced.
• For the next ten years, Dr. Brian Hooker, of the Focus Autism Foundation, tried to obtain the original data from that study. This year, through a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request, Dr. Hooker received much of the data. He was also allowed to view several highly sensitive documents related to the study thanks to a request from Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA), chair of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.
• After the FOIA was filed, Hooker was contacted by Dr. Thompson at the CDC, who at that time spoke on condition of anonymity. Thompson guided Hooker to evidence that there was a statistically significant relationship between the age at which the MMR vaccine was first given and the incidence of autism—particularly in African-American boys. Thompson revealed that CDC researchers did not include any children who did not have a valid State of Georgia birth certificate, thereby reducing the study’s sample size by 41%, which dramatically skewed the statistical findings. Thompson claimed this manipulation was intentional because of top-down pressure to promote a pro-vaccine agenda, and because of the CDC’s reluctance to address the vaccine-autism connection.
• Hooker presented his own research—a re-analysis of the original data—in a paper published August 8 in the peer-reviewed journal Translational Neurodegeneration. In African American boys who received the vaccine at 24 months of age (that is, “on schedule,” as opposed delaying the vaccine until 36 months or later), Hooker said the raw data shows the incidence of autism to be 340% higher. Dr. Hooker suggests the extraordinary vulnerability of young African American boys to autism from vaccinations may result from their low vitamin D levels, given their dark skin pigmentation. The prevalence of autism in African Americans is nearly 25% higher than that of whites. “The CDC knew about the relationship between the age of first MMR vaccine and autism incidence in African-American boys as early as 2003,” Hooker says, “but chose to cover it up.”
• This week, Dr. Andrew Wakefield and the Autism Media Channel published a powerful nine-minute video revealing Dr. Thompson’s identity. “We’ve missed ten years of research because the CDC is so paralyzed right now by anything related to autism,” Thompson says. “They’re not doing what they should be doing because they’re afraid to look for things that might be associated.”

 

[OverVolt]

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[werepossum]

Different bacteria thrive on different surfaces. The bacteria in dirt outside, shouldn't cause problems. The bacteria on a door handle touched by 200 people after they picked their nose is a different story.

Agreed. One of my biggest bitches about public restroom design is that I've just washed my hands and now I have to grab that filthy doorknob to escape, after everyone who DIDN'T wash his hands. Public restroom doors should always open out, particularly since public restrooms are designed under negative pressure (for odor control.)

Thats the problem, its not MMR and Thimerosal causing the problems. First of all... single dose vaccines don't contain Thimerosal, only multi-dose vaccines. So that is a moot point.

Second thing is that MMR has been around for a long time and there is no way MMR is causing the increased autism rates. However, they DID push forward the vaccine schedule in the 1980's and it correlates with a spike in autism rates. I'm more a fan of it being a result of an autoimmune disorder but I'm not going to get into it. Just do your own research perhaps. Long story short just about every infection you get runs the risk of causing an autoimmune disorder, such as strep throat and rheumatic fever. Various bacteria and viruses are associated with the flaring up of autoimmune disorders such as Type I diabetes, Multiple sclerosis, Lymes disease, Chagas disease, Uveitis, Herpetic stromal keratitis, Guillain–Barré syndrome etc.

Some research is trending toward autism being the result of an autoimmune response. And if the only immune response babies are having are to vaccines well then there you go. They give too many vaccines, too close together, too early. I'm not anti-vaccine they just warrant more caution than I think people realize. The science/medical community seems to think the benefits always outweight the risks and so we have these really aggressive vaccine schedules now as if vaccines can do no harm. I understand how important they are, thank god vaccines stamped out polio. Fact is though, it seems every time an immune response is elicited you run the risk of developing an autoimmune disorder. Imagine a hypothetical man who is immune to every disease causing pathogen on the planet. What do you think the risk is that perhaps, just maybe, one of the proteins his immune system sees as an enemy is similar enough to a protein found inside him naturally and he develops an autoimmune disorder? Pretty high IMO.

Nobody really tracks back autoimmune disorders to a vaccine, ever. The only side effect they'll track is if you had a sore arm the week after. Nobody cares if XYZ population got XYZ vaccine at a certain time and are XYZ% more likely to get an autoimmune disorder. They just do not study it.

If you lump all the autoimmune disorders together they affect 1 in 12 women (who are at higher risk). Autoimmune disorders like Type I childhood obesity, MS, (and IMO autism) are a huge modern health crisis going mostly ignored.

The counter argument is that with increased numbers of unvaccinated people both illegal immigrants and those morally opposed, the greater the chance your child will contract a serious disease before being vaccinated. I agree with what you're saying about too many vaccines too closely together, but I still think the diseases are orders of magnitude more likely to get you than the vaccines.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Agreed. One of my biggest bitches about public restroom design is that I've just washed my hands and now I have to grab that filthy doorknob to escape, after everyone who DIDN'T wash his hands. Public restroom doors should always open out, particularly since public restrooms are designed under negative pressure (for odor control.)


The counter argument is that with increased numbers of unvaccinated people both illegal immigrants and those morally opposed, the greater the chance your child will contract a serious disease before being vaccinated. I agree with what you're saying about too many vaccines too closely together, but I still think the diseases are orders of magnitude more likely to get you than the vaccines.

I don't have a link handy (because I'm too tired and lazy to find one ) but there is a very comprehensive mechanism to track possible complications. If you look up "vaers" you can see that it's more than just minor aches that they follow.

 

[OverVolt]

I don't have a link handy (because I'm too tired and lazy to find one ) but there is a very comprehensive mechanism to track possible complications. If you look up "vaers" you can see that it's more than just minor aches that they follow.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/index

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[linthat22]

Looks like Rob Schneider has documentation as well of the CDC coverup.