from the gay marriage threads

[damiano]

I thought a different thread was apropriate to discuss this matter.

I think that the problem is not gay marriage.
In New York there is an act called domestic partnership that lets gay recognize in front of the state that they are together and let them have the same rights as married people (for health inssurance etc...). That' way enough !!!

What I find wrong is for gays to adopt children...and it is the next step after gay marriage.
there is no way this can be healthy for a child...

 

[PatboyX]

why cant it be a healthy child?

edit: why cant it BE healthy for the child?

i mean, how many hetrosexual marriages are full of psychopaths and nutcases? people unhappy but stuck in a marriage raising children. there are no hoops to jump through to become a parent for a man and a woman (other than the obvious one) but it is not simply a matter of going to the store and picking out a child for the homosexual couple who wants to adopt.

 

[toekramp]

Originally posted by: damiano
I thought a different thread was apropriate to discuss this matter.

I think that the problem is not gay marriage.
In New York there is an act called domestic partnership that lets gay recognize in front of the state that they are together and let them have the same rights as married people (for health inssurance etc...). That' way enough !!!

What I find wrong is for gays to adopt children...and it is the next step after gay marriage.
there is no way this can be healthy for a child...

you are a moron.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: damiano
I thought a different thread was apropriate to discuss this matter.

I think that the problem is not gay marriage.
In New York there is an act called domestic partnership that lets gay recognize in front of the state that they are together and let them have the same rights as married people (for health inssurance etc...). That' way enough !!!

What I find wrong is for gays to adopt children...and it is the next step after gay marriage.
there is no way this can be healthy for a child...

Michael Jackson's Parent weren't gay. Do you think he and his siblings turned out healthy?

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: toekramp

Originally posted by: damiano
I thought a different thread was apropriate to discuss this matter.

I think that the problem is not gay marriage.
In New York there is an act called domestic partnership that lets gay recognize in front of the state that they are together and let them have the same rights as married people (for health inssurance etc...). That' way enough !!!

What I find wrong is for gays to adopt children...and it is the next step after gay marriage.
there is no way this can be healthy for a child...

you are a moron.

You are quite right..unless one of your parents name is Rosie

 

[toekramp]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: toekramp

Originally posted by: damiano
I thought a different thread was apropriate to discuss this matter.

I think that the problem is not gay marriage.
In New York there is an act called domestic partnership that lets gay recognize in front of the state that they are together and let them have the same rights as married people (for health inssurance etc...). That' way enough !!!

What I find wrong is for gays to adopt children...and it is the next step after gay marriage.
there is no way this can be healthy for a child...

you are a moron.

You are quite right..unless one of your parents name is Rosie

agreed.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: damiano
I thought a different thread was apropriate to discuss this matter.

I think that the problem is not gay marriage.
In New York there is an act called domestic partnership that lets gay recognize in front of the state that they are together and let them have the same rights as married people (for health inssurance etc...). That' way enough !!!

What I find wrong is for gays to adopt children...and it is the next step after gay marriage.
there is no way this can be healthy for a child...

Um, actually, every valid, peer reviewed study done shows quite the opposite. Children raised by openly gay parents are no more likely to have serious emotional problems than those raised by straight parents.

Every time this claim is made, I ask just exactly HOW this would be "unhealthy." I have yet to hear a valid answer beyond "other kids will make fun of him."

And you know what? Many gay men are conceiving babies with lesbian friends and vice-versa and have been for a long time. Where is the epidemic of screwed up people raised by gay parents? It doesn't exist.

 

[phonemonkey]

Originally posted by: damiano
I thought a different thread was apropriate to discuss this matter.

I think that the problem is not gay marriage.
In New York there is an act called domestic partnership that lets gay recognize in front of the state that they are together and let them have the same rights as married people (for health inssurance etc...). That' way enough !!!

What I find wrong is for gays to adopt children...and it is the next step after gay marriage.
there is no way this can be healthy for a child...

Do you have any reasons why it wouldn't be healthy, or are you just assuming that it would be? Do you have any examples of kids that were raised by gay parents that turned out to be abnormal?

 

[TheCorm]

I agree that saying they have as much rights as married people when they are not married is wrong, this is why the gay marriage thing needs to be sorted.

As for gay parents not to adobt children....no, I most definately don't agree.....there are plenty of gay couples who would make wonderful comparents compared to the hetero feckups that exist as parents out there..

 

[damiano]

ok
my time now.
Did you guys ever read Freud and the all the basics of our modern psychology?
specially during early stages of growth the parents' figure (father and mother) are very important:

The conflict, labeled the Oedipus complex (The Electra complex in women), involves the child's unconscious desire to possess the opposite-sexed parent and to eliminate the same-sexed one.
In the young male, the Oedipus conflict stems from his natural love for his mother, a love which becomes sexual as his libidal energy transfers from the anal region to his genitals. Unfortunately for the boy, his father stands in the way of this love. The boy therefore feels aggression and envy towards this rival, his father, and also feels fear that the father will strike back at him. As the boy has noticed that women, his mother in particular, have no penises, he is struck by a great fear that his father will remove his penis, too. The anxiety is aggravated by the threats and discipline he incurs when caught masturbating by his parents. This castration anxiety outstrips his desire for his mother, so he represses the desire. Moreover, although the boy sees that though he cannot posses his mother, because his father does, he can posses her vicariously by identifying with his father and becoming as much like him as possible: this identification indoctrinates the boy into his appropriate sexual role in life.


If you guys are unaware of that, a same sex parents couple can produce deep repercussions on the child's mental, psychological and emotional growth.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: damiano
ok
my time now.
Did you guys ever read Freud and the all the basics of our modern psychology?
specially during early stages of growth the parents' figure (father and mother) are very important:

The conflict, labeled the Oedipus complex (The Electra complex in women), involves the child's unconscious desire to possess the opposite-sexed parent and to eliminate the same-sexed one.
In the young male, the Oedipus conflict stems from his natural love for his mother, a love which becomes sexual as his libidal energy transfers from the anal region to his genitals. Unfortunately for the boy, his father stands in the way of this love. The boy therefore feels aggression and envy towards this rival, his father, and also feels fear that the father will strike back at him. As the boy has noticed that women, his mother in particular, have no penises, he is struck by a great fear that his father will remove his penis, too. The anxiety is aggravated by the threats and discipline he incurs when caught masturbating by his parents. This castration anxiety outstrips his desire for his mother, so he represses the desire. Moreover, although the boy sees that though he cannot posses his mother, because his father does, he can posses her vicariously by identifying with his father and becoming as much like him as possible: this identification indoctrinates the boy into his appropriate sexual role in life.


If you guys are unaware of that, a same sex parents couple can produce deep repercussions on the child's mental, psychological and emotional growth.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: damiano
I thought a different thread was apropriate to discuss this matter.

I think that the problem is not gay marriage.
In New York there is an act called domestic partnership that lets gay recognize in front of the state that they are together and let them have the same rights as married people (for health inssurance etc...). That' way enough !!!

What I find wrong is for gays to adopt children...and it is the next step after gay marriage.
there is no way this can be healthy for a child...

Michael Jackson's Parent weren't gay. Do you think he and his siblings turned out healthy?

True that

 

[Bulk Beef]

If the current generation of youths is considered the "healthy" product of hetero marriage, something is wrong.

 

[damiano]

Originally posted by: sward666
If the current generation of youths is considered the "healthy" product of hetero marriage, something is wrong.

this is not a talk about how mentally healthy our generation is but of how unhealthy it is to be raised by gay parents.

btw, I do not have any probs with gays or lesbians;
Once again, there is something called domestic partnership which gives them the same adavantages as married couples (healthcare etc...)
I consider the wedding a more religious act two people of the opposite sex acomplish in order to show their love in front of god and start a family (have children)
and yes, what I find unhealthy is for same sex couples to raise children...if you wonder why read above!!!

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: damiano

Originally posted by: sward666
If the current generation of youths is considered the "healthy" product of hetero marriage, something is wrong.

this is not a talk about how mentally healthy our generation is but of how unhealthy it is to be raised by gay parents.

btw, I do not have any probs with gays or lesbians;
Once again, there is something called domestic partnership which gives them the same adavantages as married couples (healthcare etc...)
I consider the wedding a more religious act two people of the opposite sex acomplish in order to show their love in front of god and start a family (have children)
!!!

So according to you Atheists shouldn't be able to get married or people who wish to remain childless shouldn't get married either?

 

[damiano]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: damiano

Originally posted by: sward666
If the current generation of youths is considered the "healthy" product of hetero marriage, something is wrong.

this is not a talk about how mentally healthy our generation is but of how unhealthy it is to be raised by gay parents.

btw, I do not have any probs with gays or lesbians;
Once again, there is something called domestic partnership which gives them the same adavantages as married couples (healthcare etc...)
I consider the wedding a more religious act two people of the opposite sex acomplish in order to show their love in front of god and start a family (have children)
!!!

So according to you Atheists shouldn't be able to get married or people who wish to remain childless shouldn't get married either?

well that's a good point...
Marriage used to be a religious thing
now of course, atheists get married for the same reason and declare it to the state (at the end it's the same logic..exept without God involved)

 

[FeathersMcGraw]

Originally posted by: damiano

The conflict, labeled the Oedipus complex (The Electra complex in women), involves the child's unconscious desire to possess the opposite-sexed parent and to eliminate the same-sexed one.
In the young male, the Oedipus conflict stems from his natural love for his mother, a love which becomes sexual as his libidal energy transfers from the anal region to his genitals. Unfortunately for the boy, his father stands in the way of this love. The boy therefore feels aggression and envy towards this rival, his father, and also feels fear that the father will strike back at him. As the boy has noticed that women, his mother in particular, have no penises, he is struck by a great fear that his father will remove his penis, too. The anxiety is aggravated by the threats and discipline he incurs when caught masturbating by his parents. This castration anxiety outstrips his desire for his mother, so he represses the desire. Moreover, although the boy sees that though he cannot posses his mother, because his father does, he can posses her vicariously by identifying with his father and becoming as much like him as possible: this identification indoctrinates the boy into his appropriate sexual role in life.

Seems to me if you buy into the above, then being raised by gay men should pretty much remove castration anxiety.

Although why you might subscribe to Freudian psychology wholesale without documentation of its sociological effects is another question entirely.

 

[bozack]

Personally I have no problem with Gays or anyone that is Fit raising children as any loving household is better than none, however I do realize that in todays society that child will go through more torment and turmoil because of their home situation.....my problem lies with any couple, whether it be gay or straight that opts to be artifically inseminated or have another person bear "their" child...I think it should be emphasized that more people who physically cannot concieve either due to health problems or physical reproduction incompatibilities/impossibilities (gay or lesbian couples) must adopt as we already have a growing social services issue and then there is overpopulation...there are plenty of younger kids who need love in the care of social services...why couples are so selfish that they must have "their own" children even when some other power has deemed that they physically cannot is beyond me.

Sorry just my 2

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: toekramp

Originally posted by: damiano
I thought a different thread was apropriate to discuss this matter.

I think that the problem is not gay marriage.
In New York there is an act called domestic partnership that lets gay recognize in front of the state that they are together and let them have the same rights as married people (for health inssurance etc...). That' way enough !!!

What I find wrong is for gays to adopt children...and it is the next step after gay marriage.
there is no way this can be healthy for a child...

you are a moron.

 

[damiano]

Originally posted by: FeathersMcGraw

Originally posted by: damiano

The conflict, labeled the Oedipus complex (The Electra complex in women), involves the child's unconscious desire to possess the opposite-sexed parent and to eliminate the same-sexed one.
In the young male, the Oedipus conflict stems from his natural love for his mother, a love which becomes sexual as his libidal energy transfers from the anal region to his genitals. Unfortunately for the boy, his father stands in the way of this love. The boy therefore feels aggression and envy towards this rival, his father, and also feels fear that the father will strike back at him. As the boy has noticed that women, his mother in particular, have no penises, he is struck by a great fear that his father will remove his penis, too. The anxiety is aggravated by the threats and discipline he incurs when caught masturbating by his parents. This castration anxiety outstrips his desire for his mother, so he represses the desire. Moreover, although the boy sees that though he cannot posses his mother, because his father does, he can posses her vicariously by identifying with his father and becoming as much like him as possible: this identification indoctrinates the boy into his appropriate sexual role in life.

Seems to me if you buy into the above, then being raised by gay men should pretty much remove castration anxiety.

.

you are right
and this will affect the emotional and sexual development of the child

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: damiano

Originally posted by: sward666
If the current generation of youths is considered the "healthy" product of hetero marriage, something is wrong.

this is not a talk about how mentally healthy our generation is but of how unhealthy it is to be raised by gay parents.

So if the current generation is fvcked up, and all that's against gays adopting kids is one remark from Freud, then isn't it better to let only gays raise kids from now on? We produce em, kids raise em, and kids don't have the mental problems we have now.

 

[Jzero]

If you guys are unaware of that, a same sex parents couple can produce deep repercussions on the child's mental, psychological and emotional growth.

*Sounds the dogmatic Freudian bell*

Sorry, but there are other schools of psychological thought, and most enlightened people don't accept Freud's ideas lock, stock and barrel anymore.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: damiano
ok
my time now.
Did you guys ever read Freud and the all the basics of our modern psychology?
specially during early stages of growth the parents' figure (father and mother) are very important:

The conflict, labeled the Oedipus complex (The Electra complex in women), involves the child's unconscious desire to possess the opposite-sexed parent and to eliminate the same-sexed one.
In the young male, the Oedipus conflict stems from his natural love for his mother, a love which becomes sexual as his libidal energy transfers from the anal region to his genitals. Unfortunately for the boy, his father stands in the way of this love. The boy therefore feels aggression and envy towards this rival, his father, and also feels fear that the father will strike back at him. As the boy has noticed that women, his mother in particular, have no penises, he is struck by a great fear that his father will remove his penis, too. The anxiety is aggravated by the threats and discipline he incurs when caught masturbating by his parents. This castration anxiety outstrips his desire for his mother, so he represses the desire. Moreover, although the boy sees that though he cannot posses his mother, because his father does, he can posses her vicariously by identifying with his father and becoming as much like him as possible: this identification indoctrinates the boy into his appropriate sexual role in life.


If you guys are unaware of that, a same sex parents couple can produce deep repercussions on the child's mental, psychological and emotional growth.

:Q What in the HELL are you talking about?

That is the biggest bunch of crap I've seen anybody spew on here in a LONG time........

The kid is struck by a great fear that his farther will remove his penis????? WTF??????? BWhahahahaha!!!!!!

I mean, that's even worse than believing the Earth is 6,000 years old................ At least you could say "Well, what if God made the Earth to look old?".... Can't really argue with that.

With that pile of entrails, you scratch your head and weep for the future. What about all the kids that grow up in a single parent house hold?

I'm one of them.

 

[FeathersMcGraw]

Originally posted by: damiano

Seems to me if you buy into the above, then being raised by gay men should pretty much remove castration anxiety.

you are right
and this will affect the emotional and sexual development of the child

Show me that the effects are negative.

 

[damiano]

I guess that I should add a line to the how do you know you live in california thread:

# PEOPLE THINK IT'S NORMAL TO CALL YOU FATHER DADDY AND YOUR MOTHER DADDY AS WELL !!!!

you people have been brainwashed by the modern gayism of our society.
i cannot believe that no one here is a little bit more traditional in that sense
or most probably too affraid to express their thoughts about it because of the fear of not fitting with the rest...

then great

I will marry a frog and have it breastfeed my adopted kid...and I guess that no one will have a problem with it because it makes me happy and that maybe will do a better job me and my frog to raise a kid than most degenerated "normal couples" because I found a really loving frog that will be be a great father (yeah, it's a gay frog) to our baby !!!

whatever then..... :Q