FU mandatory enlistment.

[thecoolnessrune]

I have terrible vision. Weigh 195lbs. Can't do pushups. Can benchpress 40lbs. 1 time. Can flat out run for 10sec. Im only 16. When I'm 18 they wouldn't even draft me if I paid them to do it lol

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Monkey muppet

so, could someone remind me again, what the US is fighting for, if every person has a different ideology.

I'm not from the US personaly, which means my ideas and understandings may be a little off from yours. I would not put myself in danger because of what one man (or woman) says. I would however makes sacrifices to help others in a less fortunate position. I would also defend the people I care about.

I think my question is: what are you defending?

Now you're REALLY going to turn this into a P&N thread. Ostensibly we were fighting to remove a tyrant who was intent on doing harm to our country and was allegedly capable of doing so indirectly by supplying terrorists with weapons of mass destruction. Clearly many people do not believe that he was a threat to us, hence the controversy over the current war. I will leave the discussion of whether or not we should be fighting in Iraq to P&N... two years ago.

Edit: the answer to your specific question "what are you defending?" is supposedly ourselves against terrorism.

 

[Monkey muppet]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Monkey muppet

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Monkey muppet
Without trying to sound P&N-ish US is not a democracy it's an electoral leadership

It's a democratic government, just not a direct democracy.

the united states is Constitution-based federal republic

so, could someone remind me again, what the US is fighting for, if every person has a different ideology.

I'm not from the US personaly, which means my ideas and understandings may be a little off from yours. I would not put myself in danger because of what one man (or woman) says. I would however makes sacrifices to help others in a less fortunate position. I would also defend the people I care about.

I think my question is: what are you defending?

Why don't you ask the Iraqi government what we were fighting for, right after they convict and execute Saddam?

I think you might've miss-read my question

so I'll repeat it: What are you defending?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
I have terrible vision. Weigh 195lbs. Can't do pushups. Can benchpress 40lbs. 1 time. Can flat out run for 10sec. Im only 16. When I'm 18 they wouldn't even draft me if I paid them to do it lol

They'd draft you for a non-combat job.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
I have terrible vision. Weigh 195lbs. Can't do pushups. Can benchpress 40lbs. 1 time. Can flat out run for 10sec. Im only 16. When I'm 18 they wouldn't even draft me if I paid them to do it lol

Sounds like yer a total slob, and will have a heart attack by 40. Anyways, trust me the Army could get you in shape.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: effee
So I got a letter today...

The Enlistment Act (Chapter 93).

Enlistment Notice (Operationally Ready National Service)

You are hereby required under Section 10 of the Enlistment Act (Chap 93) to report for enlistment on 09 Dec 2005 at 0830 to 1st BATTALION SINGAPORE GUARDS.


Guards are basically your heliborne/fast strike infantry.

Studies have to be put on hold till this is over Damn what a waste of 2 years. Be glad you dont have a draft.

wow... just like that.

yeh, they seem to forget we don't have an active draft here.
feel lucky for that guys.

 

[Lizardman]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
I wouldn't go if we did.
Canada, here I come.

Sorry to hear that.

2nded

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Monkey muppet

so I'll repeat it: What are you defending?

Read my response.

 

[globalcitizen]

Originally posted by: effee
So I got a letter today...

The Enlistment Act (Chapter 93).

Enlistment Notice (Operationally Ready National Service)

You are hereby required under Section 10 of the Enlistment Act (Chap 93) to report for enlistment on 09 Dec 2005 at 0830 to 1st BATTALION SINGAPORE GUARDS.


Guards are basically your heliborne/fast strike infantry.

Studies have to be put on hold till this is over Damn what a waste of 2 years. Be glad you dont have a draft.

That's sad depending on your point of view. My buddies had to do it for two years. They were PRs there. I was on a student pass. Two of them are in officer's school, the third is in the Sembawang ammo dump hauling stuff around for drills.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: effee
So I got a letter today...

The Enlistment Act (Chapter 93).

Enlistment Notice (Operationally Ready National Service)

You are hereby required under Section 10 of the Enlistment Act (Chap 93) to report for enlistment on 09 Dec 2005 at 0830 to 1st BATTALION SINGAPORE GUARDS.


Guards are basically your heliborne/fast strike infantry.

Studies have to be put on hold till this is over Damn what a waste of 2 years. Be glad you dont have a draft.

wow... just like that.

yeh, they seem to forget we don't have an active draft here.
feel lucky for that guys.

What do you mean they seem to forget? Who is "they"? TheOP's government? The OP lives in Singapore.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
wow... just like that.

yeh, they seem to forget we don't have an active draft here.
feel lucky for that guys.

Some countries have mandatory military service for women... so feel lucky for that, girls.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: effee
So I got a letter today...

The Enlistment Act (Chapter 93).

Enlistment Notice (Operationally Ready National Service)

You are hereby required under Section 10 of the Enlistment Act (Chap 93) to report for enlistment on 09 Dec 2005 at 0830 to 1st BATTALION SINGAPORE GUARDS.


Guards are basically your heliborne/fast strike infantry.

Studies have to be put on hold till this is over Damn what a waste of 2 years. Be glad you dont have a draft.

wow... just like that.

yeh, they seem to forget we don't have an active draft here.
feel lucky for that guys.

What do you mean they seem to forget? Who is "they"? TheOP's government? The OP lives in Singapore.

i am talking about guys in the US who are always bitching about the establishment.
at least we don't have the draft active here.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: moshquerade
wow... just like that.

yeh, they seem to forget we don't have an active draft here.
feel lucky for that guys.

Some countries have mandatory military service for women... so feel lucky for that, girls.

i do! but i have brothers just the same who could be drafted here if it were active.

 

[Bateluer]

Yeesh, just serve your time, and make the most of the situation. You should come away with many useful skills. And don't give me that "I'm an infantry grunt, all I can do is clean and fire a rifle" bullsh!t. At a bare minimum, you'll come away with time management skills, financial management skills, a whole plethora of leadership skills, etc. But you'll only learn them if you stop sulking and open your eyes.

BTW, I'm currently serving my first 6 year enlistment at the moment.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
I have terrible vision. Weigh 195lbs. Can't do pushups. Can benchpress 40lbs. 1 time. Can flat out run for 10sec. Im only 16. When I'm 18 they wouldn't even draft me if I paid them to do it lol

They'll drop you off in the middle of Fallujah, and, I promise you, you'll find you can "flat out" run for quite a bit more than 10 seconds.

 

[blahter]

i have a few singaporean friends that went through NS and most of them actually enjoyed the experience. According to them, they come out more mature etc. before going on to college

 

[Monkey muppet]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Monkey muppet

so, could someone remind me again, what the US is fighting for, if every person has a different ideology.

I'm not from the US personaly, which means my ideas and understandings may be a little off from yours. I would not put myself in danger because of what one man (or woman) says. I would however makes sacrifices to help others in a less fortunate position. I would also defend the people I care about.

I think my question is: what are you defending?

Edit: the answer to your specific question "what are you defending?" is supposedly ourselves against terrorism.

I'm not trying to cause any arguments at all, far from it in fact. Lets talk hypothetical and remove governments, politics, cultural differences etc from this discussion.

Homosapians have an inbuilt ability to hunt, kill and defend. Like the majority of all other mammals we share this planet with. The reasons most animals do this is to provide for the group, family or themselves.

With the current state of the world, we should have no reason to interfere with other peoples lives. But what has happen recently is a form of fascism (probably not the kind you might be thinking of) - we all have the right to defend ourselves, but not in an aggressive way (can anyone give me an example where aggression resolved an issue rather than escalating it to a stage where the other party coward away).

This sounds like we are fighting for the greater good of the world. There is not a single person I know who can explain to me what the greater good of the world is, or how to achieve it.

So, instead of fighting fire with fire, give them whatever they want. land, money or any other asset they want to die for. Let the people who don't want to fight make their own decision whether to surround themselves with hatred or to find a neutral ground where they feel secure. I, myself, prefer to live and will continue to offer my services in places where I don't have to worry about a barrel of a gun

 

[Bozono]

Originally posted by: Lizardman

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
I wouldn't go if we did.
Canada, here I come.

Sorry to hear that.

2nded

If I'm not mistaken our two Countries just passed a law that would, if ever you guys enlist Draft again, make it illegal for Draft Dodgers to enter Canada. You'd be immediately detained and deported at the border, followed by some comfy jail time when you got back home.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Bozono

Originally posted by: Lizardman

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
I wouldn't go if we did.
Canada, here I come.

Sorry to hear that.

2nded

If I'm not mistaken our two Countries just passed a law that would, if ever you guys enlist Draft again, make it illegal for Draft Dodgers to enter Canada. You'd be immediately detained and deported at the border, followed by some comfy jail time when you got back home.

I really hope what you say is true.

 

[Saint Nick]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
I wouldn't go if we did.
Canada, here I come.

Sorry to hear that.

Must be nice to let others do the hard work to protect your way of life, but if they would potentially ask you to get up and help yourself you'd run away. Nice.

you know i never thought of it that way.

you completely made me rethink everything negative i've ever thought about the draft.

cheers presence :beer:!!!

 

[uhohs]

aw, if you were living outside of singapore i would tell you to brush up on your singlish. no need for that if you're already there.

 

[Sphexi]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Bozono

Originally posted by: Lizardman

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
I wouldn't go if we did.
Canada, here I come.

Sorry to hear that.

2nded

If I'm not mistaken our two Countries just passed a law that would, if ever you guys enlist Draft again, make it illegal for Draft Dodgers to enter Canada. You'd be immediately detained and deported at the border, followed by some comfy jail time when you got back home.

I really hope what you say is true.

Google FTW

 

[iamtrout]

I don't UNDERSTAND YOU GUYS!

Hey! It's an excuse to kill other people! LEGALLY! Why the hell would you want to pass up an opportunity like that? I would take full advantage of this rare opportunity to further your development as a person.

JESUS!

 

[statik213]

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: akubi
what does singapore need an army for....

the french

lol...

 

[futuristicmonkey]

Originally posted by: iamtrout
I don't UNDERSTAND YOU GUYS!

Hey! It's an excuse to kill other people! LEGALLY! Why the hell would you want to pass up an opportunity like that? I would take full advantage of this rare opportunity to further your development as a person.

JESUS!

What are you, twelve?