FU mandatory enlistment.

[BAMAVOO]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
I wouldn't go if we did.
Canada, here I come.

Sorry to hear that.

Must be nice to let others do the hard work to protect your way of life, but if they would potentially ask you to get up and help yourself you'd run away. Nice.

He couldn't get in any way. DADT

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
I wouldn't go if we did.
Canada, here I come.

Sorry to hear that.

Must be nice to let others do the hard work to protect your way of life, but if they would potentially ask you to get up and help yourself you'd run away. Nice.

Who's "protecting my way of life"? Was Saddam Hussein going to come and beat me up and steal my computer and my bike? You need a reality check. Stop spouting rhetoric/talking points, because it makes you look like a brainwashed idiot.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
I wouldn't go if we did.
Canada, here I come.

Sorry to hear that.

Must be nice to let others do the hard work to protect your way of life, but if they would potentially ask you to get up and help yourself you'd run away. Nice.

Who's protecting my way of life? Was Saddam Hussein going to come and beat me up and steal my computer and my bike? You need a reality check. Stop spouting rhetoric, because it makes you look like a brainwashed idiot.

Protecting your way of life means fighting for democracy. The USA is a democracy and fighting when the country says to fight whether you agree or not, is fighting to protect the democratic process.

 

[wolf550e]

I am a Sergeant First Class in the Israel Defense Forces. Israel has mandatory conscription, but since I was found unfit for combat duty (being an only child is enough, but I had health issues as well) I was assigned to the IT corps. I do .NET development and Oracle database design and administration for free for three years and then two more years for way below market wage, after which I'll be a better hire than unexperienced CS grads (most of us do our studies in evening courses anyway).
I serve my country and gain excellent training and experience for later civilian life in a career path I had known I'd pursue regardless of my military career as an enlisted man and later reservist. I see no problem with that. Of course, in Israel, it's easy to see why we need an army, though ?pacifists? (?sociopaths? being usually closer to the truth) are a rising concern.

 

[Papagayo]

Originally posted by: effee
So I got a letter today...

The Enlistment Act (Chapter 93).

Enlistment Notice (Operationally Ready National Service)

You are hereby required under Section 10 of the Enlistment Act (Chap 93) to report for enlistment on 09 Dec 2005 at 0830 to 1st BATTALION SINGAPORE GUARDS.


Guards are basically your heliborne/fast strike infantry.

Studies have to be put on hold till this is over Damn what a waste of 2 years. Be glad you dont have a draft.

Shut your 8itching and serve your Country..
I served 8 years for my Country..

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Aquaman

Originally posted by: meltdown75
$10 says someone comes in and tells you how superior the US Rangers are. just a hunch.

LOL at the P&Ners that lurk in OT waiting to pounce on certain topics. you guys light up my life

JTF2 FTW

Cheers,
Aquaman

WOOT!

effee, you'll probably remember your time in uniform fondly as the years march on. Must be a little scary, but try not to worry too much. Best of luck!

 

[salt9876]

Poor effee, thats gotta suck being forced to do that.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

I think Zysoclaplem's opinion is based on the most recent Iraq war, not on a military situation that was truly a danger to the US.

I think even most so called "America haters" would serve their country if they truly believed they and their country's people's lives were being threatened. I'm not an "America hater", but I would serve to protect others if I believe they were being threatened, but I'm no one's war zombie who will fight for someone's political ambitions or monetary gain, which is the opinion Zysoclaplem was going for.

I think Zysoclaplem was not correctly understood.

Zysoclaplem, tell me to STFU if I'm wrong.

I don't think we'd ever have a draft to fight a war like the one we're fighting in Iraq. I could be wrong though. Vietnam posed no danger to us, but we were fighting communism. Just replace communism with terrorism and I suppose there's the possibility. But I don't think the situations are entirely comparable - the war on terror is largely a war of intelligence gathering. It's not a war that is fought by a conscripted army with minimal training.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
I wouldn't go if we did.
Canada, here I come.

Sorry to hear that.

Must be nice to let others do the hard work to protect your way of life, but if they would potentially ask you to get up and help yourself you'd run away. Nice.

Who's "protecting my way of life"? Was Saddam Hussein going to come and beat me up and steal my computer and my bike? You need a reality check. Stop spouting rhetoric/talking points, because it makes you look like a brainwashed idiot.

Yeah, my way of life hasn't really been threatened for a while... and I have to say that the engineers that make the weapons would probably protect my way of life more than a soldier.

 

[insaneanna]

I think Zysoclaplem's opinion is based on the most recent Iraq war, not on a military situation that was truly a danger to the US.

I think even most so called "America haters" would serve their country if they truly believed they and their country's people's lives were being threatened. I'm not an "America hater", but I would serve to protect others if I believe they were being threatened, but I'm no one's war zombie who will fight for someone's political ambitions or monetary gain, which is the opinion Zysoclaplem was going for.

I think Zysoclaplem was not correctly understood.

Zysoclaplem, tell me to STFU if I'm wrong.[/quote]

I think you both have been completely understood, and please don't worry. Your abilities to share your "armchair quarterbacking" will be protected by other people that won't be remembered, compensated properly, or ask for anything from you.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
I wouldn't go if we did.
Canada, here I come.

Sorry to hear that.

Must be nice to let others do the hard work to protect your way of life, but if they would potentially ask you to get up and help yourself you'd run away. Nice.

Who's protecting my way of life? Was Saddam Hussein going to come and beat me up and steal my computer and my bike? You need a reality check. Stop spouting rhetoric, because it makes you look like a brainwashed idiot.

Protecting your way of life means fighting for democracy. The USA is a democracy and fighting when the country says to fight whether you agree or not, is fighting to protect the democratic process.

That's a huge stretch. Based on your logic, anyone who does anything is "protecting our way of life".

Yes, if starting political wars is our way of life, I guess soldiers are protecting it.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: akubi
what does singapore need an army for....

Graffitti Spray Painter Abatement, Gum Chewer Assault Squads, and the Caneing Corps.


Over all it will be a good experience - you will learn more than you can even imagine.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: insaneanna
I think you both have been completely understood, and please don't worry. Your abilities to share your "armchair quarterbacking" will be protected by other people that won't be remembered, compensated properly, or ask for anything from you.

It's a volunteer army, if you join it, you're by definition being properly compensated, otherwise you would have taken some other job.

 

[Monkey muppet]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
I wouldn't go if we did.
Canada, here I come.

Sorry to hear that.

Must be nice to let others do the hard work to protect your way of life, but if they would potentially ask you to get up and help yourself you'd run away. Nice.

Who's protecting my way of life? Was Saddam Hussein going to come and beat me up and steal my computer and my bike? You need a reality check. Stop spouting rhetoric, because it makes you look like a brainwashed idiot.

Protecting your way of life means fighting for democracy. The USA is a democracy and fighting when the country says to fight whether you agree or not, is fighting to protect the democratic process.

Without trying to sound P&N-ish US is not a democracy it's an electoral leadership

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Monkey muppet

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
I wouldn't go if we did.
Canada, here I come.

Sorry to hear that.

Must be nice to let others do the hard work to protect your way of life, but if they would potentially ask you to get up and help yourself you'd run away. Nice.

Who's protecting my way of life? Was Saddam Hussein going to come and beat me up and steal my computer and my bike? You need a reality check. Stop spouting rhetoric, because it makes you look like a brainwashed idiot.

Protecting your way of life means fighting for democracy. The USA is a democracy and fighting when the country says to fight whether you agree or not, is fighting to protect the democratic process.

Without trying to sound P&N-ish US is not a democracy it's an electoral leadership

Representative Republic.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Monkey muppet
Without trying to sound P&N-ish US is not a democracy it's an electoral leadership

It's a democratic government, just not a direct democracy.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: insaneanna
Your abilities to share your "armchair quarterbacking" will be protected by other people that won't be remembered, compensated properly, or ask for anything from you.

Amazingly profound.

 

[rudder]

If they ask, tell. Maybe you can get out of it.

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Monkey muppet
Without trying to sound P&N-ish US is not a democracy it's an electoral leadership

It's a democratic government, just not a direct democracy.

the united states is Constitution-based federal republic

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Monkey muppet
Without trying to sound P&N-ish US is not a democracy it's an electoral leadership

It's a democratic government, just not a direct democracy.

the united states is Constitution-based federal republic

There's a hundred different ways you could describe our government accurately. Wikipedia for instance refers to it as a "Democratic federal republic." My point is, there was really no point to call it into question in the first place unless Monkey muppet felt that the precise term for our form of government had some bearing on ThePresence's point, and if he did it would have been nice to know what that was.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: effee

Originally posted by: Patt
Alright you P&N punksters ... get away from OT

Good luck OP ... hope you get non-combat :thumbsup:

No such luck I got posted to your typical heliborne infantry..something like the U.S Rangers I guess? But even though I'm not going in willingly, I guess I'm a little excited as well

$10 says someone comes in and tells you how superior the US Rangers are. just a hunch.

LOL at the P&Ners that lurk in OT waiting to pounce on certain topics. you guys light up my life

I haven't seen a single P&N regular in this thread yet, except for me and this post.

 

[Monkey muppet]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Monkey muppet
Without trying to sound P&N-ish US is not a democracy it's an electoral leadership

It's a democratic government, just not a direct democracy.

the united states is Constitution-based federal republic

so, could someone remind me again, what the US is fighting for, if every person has a different ideology.

I'm not from the US personaly, which means my ideas and understandings may be a little off from yours. I would not put myself in danger because of what one man (or woman) says. I would however makes sacrifices to help others in a less fortunate position. I would also defend the people I care about.

I think my question is: what are you defending?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

I haven't seen a single P&N regular in this thread yet, except for me and this post.

OTers aren't used to people having opinions on subjects more serious than how hot Jessica Alba is.

 

[Sphexi]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
I wouldn't go if we did.
Canada, here I come.

Sorry to hear that.

Must be nice to let others do the hard work to protect your way of life, but if they would potentially ask you to get up and help yourself you'd run away. Nice.

Who's "protecting my way of life"? Was Saddam Hussein going to come and beat me up and steal my computer and my bike? You need a reality check. Stop spouting rhetoric/talking points, because it makes you look like a brainwashed idiot.

Going to Canada wouldn't do anything. For one, it'd be near impossible for you to get in. Secondly, the minute the US gov't found out where you were, Canada would gladly be shipping your ass back (in handcuffs) so you could spend some time in jail for draft dodging.

If you really want to avoid the draft, go to France. And please, STAY THERE.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Monkey muppet

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Monkey muppet
Without trying to sound P&N-ish US is not a democracy it's an electoral leadership

It's a democratic government, just not a direct democracy.

the united states is Constitution-based federal republic

so, could someone remind me again, what the US is fighting for, if every person has a different ideology.

I'm not from the US personaly, which means my ideas and understandings may be a little off from yours. I would not put myself in danger because of what one man (or woman) says. I would however makes sacrifices to help others in a less fortunate position. I would also defend the people I care about.

I think my question is: what are you defending?

Why don't you ask the Iraqi government what we were fighting for, right after they convict and execute Saddam?