Fudzilla: Bulldozer performance figures are in

[AnandThenMan]

Whoes AMD, they might as well register as a charity.

Mind explaining this trollish comment?

 

[3DVagabond]

Do a little research and you will find greedy AMD'ers , some profiting on the company floundering. Dell, AMD Executives Charged With Insider Trading

These are individuals named not the company.

"AMD has been cooperating with the U.S. attorney's office and will continue to do so. AMD has a clear and comprehensive policy regarding insider trading and a worldwide insider trading training program," Silverman said in a statement.

The company is doing the right thing.

 

[Mopetar]

Mind explaining this trollish comment?

I'm going to assume that he meant 'woe as' but that's just was I'm guessing. Might also be being sarcastic, which is hard to tell on the Internet. If you think he's trolling, report the post and let a moderator take care of it. No sense in further derailing the discussion by yelling troll.

 

[videoclone]

Intel = If you cant beat them, force your costomers to stop stop buying from them!

LOL isnt apple doing the same thing now with Samsung Android phones

All i know is that the only way we get faster, better, cheaper CPU's is with competition, take away competition and watch how much slower more expensive CPU's become.

How can anyone be all for this? how can people like notty22 want a low priced intel cpu.. without amd .. you wouldnt have one

 

[bridito]

Do a little more research, and you will also find executives from intel's investor arm also charged and convicted of insider trading.

Intel and AMD, like the rest of American business, is riddled with scumbags. Have any of you ever spent any time in corporate offices? I've spent most of my life around execs. 90% of them are crooks, and the other 10% look legit as they cover it up real well. I'm sure that there have to be some honest ones somewhere, I just haven't met them yet. I had a major company CEO tell me once that "there isn't an executive in America who does not commit an indictable offence at least once a week." So let he who is without sin cast the first silicon!

 

[Mr Vain]

So with the Fudzilla post, what is it? August or October or some in August and some in October or ??? I need a scoresheet just to keep up with the rumored launch dates for this damn thing.

My personal estimate, it will be before the end of 2011 for sure.

 

[Arachnotronic]

When it's done

 

[Mr Vain]

Seriously, guys? AMD (a company 1/25th Intel's size, let's not forget) develops a brand new, completely novel architecture that looks to perform a whopping 50% percent better than its previous generation, and all you can do is yawn? Nitpick about how AMD is "technically" using eight cores when Intel is "technically" using four...

At the end of the day after filtering thru everything, my choice of CPU is going to be based on how much power in to how much IPC out compared to initial CPU purchase cost $$$. I don’t care if Bulldozer is going to use 100 cores and a SB only 4 cores.

 

[bridito]

When it's done

What awaits to be seen is whether "when it's done" will place the launch in an equivalent position to launching a Cambridge Computer Z88 to compete with the iPad HD. (BTW, I loved my Z88... Best. Data Bucket. Ever.)

At the end of the day after filtering thru everything, my choice of CPU is going to be based on how much power in to how much IPC out compared to initial CPU purchase cost $$$. I don’t care if Bulldozer is going to use 100 cores and a SB only 4 cores.

Here are my criteria for my next CPU whether from Intel, AMD, Transmeta, Cyrix, DEC Alpha, Marek, Motorola, or Tandy!

1) Cost no more than around $500.
2) Be state of the art on purchase day so it will keep me at the crest of the curve for at least a couple of years.
3) Have more than 4 RAM slots on the mobo.
4) Preference given to fewer faster cores than more slower ones.
5) Have a TDP of less than 7.5kW. (You can see how much I care about my electric bill).

 

[Mr Vain]

What awaits to be seen is whether "when it's done" will place the launch in an equivalent position to launching a Cambridge Computer Z88 to compete with the iPad HD. (BTW, I loved my Z88... Best. Data Bucket. Ever.)

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AMD’s new Bulldozer-based CPUs are just around the corner. AMD has said the release of Zambezi CPUs will happen in Q3, which means any time from now. The latest word on the street suggests October release though.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4481/details-on-amd-bulldozer-opterons-to-feature-configurable-tdp

 

[bridito]

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AMD’s new Bulldozer-based CPUs are just around the corner. AMD has said the release of Zambezi CPUs will happen in Q3, which means any time from now. The latest word on the street suggests October release though.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4481/details-on-amd-bulldozer-opterons-to-feature-configurable-tdp

Yeah, but some say that a smattering of BDs will be out next month, so right now, I'm still in the position of being unable to comprehend Jack. No clue as to performance, no clue as to launch date, no clue as to anything but forum fanboi bravado and some guy in Turkey eating Haber Donairs and shooting off his mouth. AMD guys should work for the CIA.

 

[Mr Vain]

Here are my criteria for my next CPU whether from Intel, AMD, Transmeta, Cyrix, DEC Alpha, Marek, Motorola, or Tandy!

1) Cost no more than around $500.
2) Be state of the art on purchase day so it will keep me at the crest of the curve for at least a couple of years.
3) Have more than 4 RAM slots on the mobo.
4) Preference given to fewer faster cores than more slower ones.
5) Have a TDP of less than 7.5kW. (You can see how much I care about my electric bill).

I like many here factor power consumption when intending to but a CPU, I don’t want to get burnt again like I did with Intel P4 NetBurst processors, all that hot air really dried my wallet.

 

[bridito]

I like many here factor power consumption when intending to but a CPU, I don’t want to get burnt again like I did with Intel P4 NetBurst processors, all that hot air really dried my wallet.

I know what you mean, brother. My Prescott regularly ran 80C under minimal load with the top-rated HSF of the day and I got to a point where I couldn't even try to do more intensive CPU tasks fearing shutdown or fry. But it did make a wonderful space heater on winter nights! :thumbsup:

So let's just say that for my system TDP is no object as long as it can be cooled without importing an iceberg from Baffin Island.

 

[jackstar7]

I think we're overdue to acknowledge a new time zone being adopted by companies:

Valve Time.

 

[bridito]

I think we're overdue to acknowledge a new time zone being adopted by companies:

Valve Time.

I'll be happy as long as BD doesn't use DukeNukem Time. Years late and a total fart when it's finally released!

 

[Mr Vain]

All you guy's still thirsty for a bit more LIGIT info on Bulldozer, check this link here on Anandtech published today.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4481/details-on-amd-bulldozer-opterons-to-feature-configurable-tdp

I like this below bit in particular.

Many physcial cores may bring them the trophy of best multi-threaded performance.

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According to leaked product positioning slides, Zambezi is aimed to fight against Intel's Core i5 and i7 lineups. Zambezi will feature up to eight cores, which is twice as many as i7-2600(K)'s four cores. AMD said that they won't join the Hyper-Threading club and they will deliver as many physical cores as Intel delivers physical and virtual cores combined. It looks like AMD is keeping their word, though they're only delivering half as many "FP/SSE cores". Intel will probably still provide the best single-threaded performance but AMDs aggressive approach with many physcial cores may bring them the trophy of best multi-threaded performance. We shall hopefully see this very soon.

 

[podspi]

What awaits to be seen is whether "when it's done" will place the launch in an equivalent position to launching a Cambridge Computer Z88 to compete with the iPad HD. (BTW, I loved my Z88... Best. Data Bucket. Ever.)



Here are my criteria for my next CPU whether from Intel, AMD, Transmeta, Cyrix, DEC Alpha, Marek, Motorola, or Tandy!

1) Cost no more than around $500.
2) Be state of the art on purchase day so it will keep me at the crest of the curve for at least a couple of years.
3) Have more than 4 RAM slots on the mobo.
4) Preference given to fewer faster cores than more slower ones.
5) Have a TDP of less than 7.5kW. (You can see how much I care about my electric bill).

I'm wondering what your justification is for #4? Perhaps I am biased by what I do (a lot of data analysis) but everything I do that requires heavy computation also benefit from many-cores. Do you also disable hyperthreading on every CPU you buy (since it can decrease ST performance to benefit MT)? I'm not trying to goad you, people actually DO that if latency is really a big deal. It's just not terribly common...

 

[bridito]

All you guy's still thirsty for a bit more LIGIT info on Bulldozer, check this link here on Anandtech published today.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4481/details-on-amd-bulldozer-opterons-to-feature-configurable-tdp

I like this below bit in particular.

Many physcial cores may bring them the trophy of best multi-threaded performance.

Quote

According to leaked product positioning slides, Zambezi is aimed to fight against Intel's Core i5 and i7 lineups. Zambezi will feature up to eight cores, which is twice as many as i7-2600(K)'s four cores. AMD said that they won't join the Hyper-Threading club and they will deliver as many physical cores as Intel delivers physical and virtual cores combined. It looks like AMD is keeping their word, though they're only delivering half as many "FP/SSE cores". Intel will probably still provide the best single-threaded performance but AMDs aggressive approach with many physcial cores may bring them the trophy of best multi-threaded performance. We shall hopefully see this very soon.

I'm missing what's new about this revelation. This is all stuff that seems to have been discussed at nauseum in the analyses of the actual architecture. And the "may bring them the trophy of best multi-threaded performance" is a statement which cannot be backed up by any independent verifiable benchmark to date... since there haven't been any.

I'm wondering what your justification is for #4? Perhaps I am biased by what I do (a lot of data analysis) but everything I do that requires heavy computation also benefit from many-cores. Do you also disable hyperthreading on every CPU you buy (since it can decrease ST performance to benefit MT)? I'm not trying to goad you, people actually DO that if latency is really a big deal. It's just not terribly common...

For one of my major clients I have to use a single proprietary program with its roots in the Win 98SE age. So just for the purpose of running that stubbornly single-threaded software, I'd rather have a quad core running faster than a hexa running slower. Otherwise I'd go with the more core is better philosophy.

 

[Mr Vain]

I'm missing what's new about this revelation. This is all stuff that seems to have been discussed at nauseum in the analyses of the actual architecture. And the "may bring them the trophy of best multi-threaded performance" is a statement which cannot be backed up by any independent verifiable benchmark to date... since there haven't been any.

Under a most likely NDA the word (MAY) in the context is probably the closest word to (Will) bring them the trophy of best multi-threaded performance" that you’re going to get.

 

[bridito]

Under a most likely NDA the word (MAY) in the context is probably the closest word to (Will) bring them the trophy of best multi-threaded performance" that you’re going to get.

Yeah, but as a stubborn grump, I always have to ask SEZ WHO? BD "may" be faster than a supercomputer or "may" be slower than an Atom. Stating any assumptions about BD performance is foolhardy until such times as benchys exist that can be proven and duplicated. Until then, it's not BD just BS.

 

[piesquared]

All you guy's still thirsty for a bit more LIGIT info on Bulldozer, check this link here on Anandtech published today.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4481/details-on-amd-bulldozer-opterons-to-feature-configurable-tdp

I like this below bit in particular.

Many physcial cores may bring them the trophy of best multi-threaded performance.

Quote

According to leaked product positioning slides, Zambezi is aimed to fight against Intel's Core i5 and i7 lineups. Zambezi will feature up to eight cores, which is twice as many as i7-2600(K)'s four cores. AMD said that they won't join the Hyper-Threading club and they will deliver as many physical cores as Intel delivers physical and virtual cores combined. It looks like AMD is keeping their word, though they're only delivering half as many "FP/SSE cores". Intel will probably still provide the best single-threaded performance but AMDs aggressive approach with many physcial cores may bring them the trophy of best multi-threaded performance. We shall hopefully see this very soon.

Except they are wrong when they say Bulldozer is half as many "FP/SSE cores". Valencia has 8 integer cores and the FlexFP allows for 8 128 bit FPU's or can be combined for 4 256 bit FPU's for AVX.

 

[386DX]

I'm wondering what your justification is for #4? Perhaps I am biased by what I do (a lot of data analysis) but everything I do that requires heavy computation also benefit from many-cores. Do you also disable hyperthreading on every CPU you buy (since it can decrease ST performance to benefit MT)? I'm not trying to goad you, people actually DO that if latency is really a big deal. It's just not terribly common...

I think the Anandtech Bulldozer details said it best:

"The thing to remember here is that high frequencies always improve processing performance, while extra cores only improve performance in ideal circumstances (no lock contention, enough threads, etc.)."

That's a pretty good summary. If you have 4 fast cores with high IPC (ie. 2600K) everything will see an improvement. For a typical user they might have 80% of the time they are gonna experience faster speeds then a slower 8 core CPU. And the 20% of the time that they may encode or something that uses all the threads it maybe slower. Its the same reason why people aren't running Magnycore CPU's on there desktop. But every user has there own needs and in your case having 8 slower cores maybe faster for your workload.

 

[podspi]

I think the Anandtech Bulldozer details said it best:

"The thing to remember here is that high frequencies always improve processing performance, while extra cores only improve performance in ideal circumstances (no lock contention, enough threads, etc.)."

That's a pretty good summary. If you have 4 fast cores with high IPC (ie. 2600K) everything will see an improvement. For a typical user they might have 80% of the time they are gonna experience faster speeds then a slower 8 core CPU. And the 20% of the time that they may encode or something that uses all the threads it maybe slower. Its the same reason why people aren't running Magnycore CPU's on there desktop. But every user has there own needs and in your case having 8 slower cores maybe faster for your workload.

Not disagreeing with you at all. I was literally asking bridito why he favored ST over MT performance, since he didn't seem like a gamer.

Also, I think the typical user is bottlenecked by something other than the CPU most of the time, unless they're on an Atom or a really old computer. That of course is just my opinion, though.

 

[Phynaz]

Except they are wrong when they say Bulldozer is half as many "FP/SSE cores". Valencia has 8 integer cores and the FlexFP allows for 8 128 bit FPU's or can be combined for 4 256 bit FPU's for AVX.

This is not true. It has 4 FPU's. An FPU can in certain situations execute two 128 bit calculations in one cycle, but in no way does the chip have 8 FPU's.

 

[Arkaign]

Not disagreeing with you at all. I was literally asking bridito why he favored ST over MT performance, since he didn't seem like a gamer.

Also, I think the typical user is bottlenecked by something other than the CPU most of the time, unless they're on an Atom or a really old computer. That of course is just my opinion, though.

I think this is true, the most common bottlenecks for system performance that I typically run into both personally and watching other people's systems are :

(1)- HDD
(2)- Internet (hah, nothing will help a 768k DSL connection!)
(3)- Poor software load (crappy antivirus, too much startup nonsense, outdated OS susceptible to spyware, etc)
(4)- GPU for those trying to play a game, not knowing what a GPU is They just bought it at wal-mart, it said it worked on 'winders'.

I think most anyone with a dual-core from the past five years has enough CPU power for 99% of typical PC users. Here on AT, we're the other 1%, and we like our benchies