Fudzilla: Bulldozer performance figures are in

[RussianSensation]

Honestly if I was an AMD fan and BD is a flop, I'm not sure even a great 7 series GPU lineup could save them from serious buyout attempts.....

BD doesn't have to outright beat SB in everything though. As long as it's miles better than the X4/X6 processors in IPC and power consumption, then AMD is back in the game. We'll likely see slower performance in 2-4 threaded apps vs. SB but better multi-threaded performance than what 2500k/2600k offer in 6-8 threads (or I sure hope so). The gap in power consumption and performance right now is enormous. Even with a mild 20% IPC increase, clocks speeds to 4.0-4.5ghz down the line and 8 cores, AMD will be able to improve Gross Profits and Average Selling Prices.

Remember, the server market is extremely profitable too where more cores and dynamic power consumption is more critical. Being successful there is just as important. It's unlikely that BD will 'run circles' around a 2500k @ 4.5ghz for gaming, but it doesn't have to. As long as it matches a 2500k 3.3ghz, it likely won't bottleneck too many GPUs over the next 2-3 years. Then there is always a hidden ace for power users: a possible 4/6 core "unlock" into an 8 core special (*wink*)? Come on AMD!

 

[soccerballtux]

Exactly the same reason why I would be spending on a BD rig as opposed to a SB or an IB rig which is just an extra 6 months wait. The sad part is that I know for a fact that BD might just be on par with SB and possibly lose out to IB when it comes out.

being on par with SB in single threaded performance is a win for consumers. No need to act like it's a lose. Right now the average consumer has far more computing power than he has need of.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Honestly if I was an AMD fan and BD is a flop, I'm not sure even a great 7 series GPU lineup could save them from serious buyout attempts.....

What does being an AMD fan have to do with them being bought out?

Short of them pairing up with ARM or maybe Apple, I'd expect that AMD will be bought out.

I don't think it'd be a bad thing if they were. They're in serious need of a company that can do something about their terrible marketing (which at best amounts to them making petty snipes about competitors or crap like "native _____"). It'd definitely depend on who bought them though. I think it'd be terrible for an OEM like Dell to buy them. Maybe, Apple but I'd say there's a decent chance it could end up worse for both as well.

 

[Idontcare]

Honestly if I was an AMD fan and BD is a flop, I'm not sure even a great 7 series GPU lineup could save them from serious buyout attempts.....

What's there to buyout?

 

[Abwx]

What's there to buyout?

As last ressort, ATIC who own about 20% can buy up to the majority
of shares since the current price is very low.

They have already burned bns with no ROI , so a few bns more
wont matter if they want their money back one day...

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

As last ressort, ATIC who own about 20% can buy up to the majority
of shares since the current price is very low.

They have already burned bns with no ROI , so a few bns more
wont matter if they want their money back one day...

AMD will sell now that Fusion is looking like a complete success and the fact the Radeon HD 6000 series was very successful?

If AMD doesn't produce a "great" CPU in the Performance market to counter Intel it doesn't mean much for the company as a whole.

 

[Abwx]

AMD will sell now that Fusion is looking like a complete success and the fact the Radeon HD 6000 series was very successful?

If AMD doesn't produce a "great" CPU in the Performance market to counter Intel it doesn't mean much for the company as a whole.

They cant rely on their better grafx , at a moment, the CPU must
be improved to be at least on par with the higher part of mainstream
wich are on the intel side the 2500K and 2600K.

Currently, they are wasting their fusion APU by using a sub par
CPU that would need 10% better IPC to allow safe margins.

 

[ieatdonuts]

There's literally no way that AMD can be bought out. It is a bigger company and not as vulnerable as Nvidia. Plus a common sense analysis of AMD's future (fusion, etc.) would indicate at the very least that yes - they do have a future.

Bulldozer really doesn't matter as much as y'all think. It's an HPC part and HPC is important but mainstream computing is what reigns supreme.

 

[Vesku]

I'd say release BD performance mainly matters for AMD's future based on its foreshadowing of trinity APU prospects. The P4 "meh" years saw Intel commit to a process tech heavy strategy, something no other company can keep up with. So although AMD seems committed to at least having some sort of performance desktop part, the majority of it's focus is on servers (where their are power restrictions), OEM, and now APU.

 

[Idontcare]

Bulldozer really doesn't matter as much as y'all think. It's an HPC part and HPC is important but mainstream computing is what reigns supreme.

Makes me wonder why every other x86 design house that failed to deliver a competitive HPC part ultimately fell by the wayside...:hmm:

I guess we should be looking for Via and it's mainstream-computing targeted Nano X2 to be giving Intel a run for its money too.

 

[Vesku]

Server HPC demands are different from desktop enthusiast demands though, Idontcare. I'm going to cringe if they have delayed launch of BD Opterons to the very end of Q3, that's like releasing negative news on a Friday.

 

[Tsavo]

What's there to buyout?

17 really good, but over-worked and under-resourced engineers, four units of post-it notes, 2.5 cases of Diet Mt Dew, 11 boxes of ATI Ruby tee-shirts (size x-small) and thirty boxes of #2 pencils.

 

[3DVagabond]

As last ressort, ATIC who own about 20% can buy up to the majority
of shares since the current price is very low.

They have already burned bns with no ROI , so a few bns more
wont matter if they want their money back one day...

If they own 20% of the stock they can just put in a bid to buy the company. Nobody else out bids them, and the FTC approves it, and it's done. (IIRC hostile takeover procedures?)

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

They cant rely on their better grafx , at a moment, the CPU must
be improved to be at least on par with the higher part of mainstream
wich are on the intel side the 2500K and 2600K.

Currently, they are wasting their fusion APU by using a sub par
CPU that would need 10% better IPC to allow safe margins.

I'm having trouble understanding half of what you wrote. From what I understood, though, I can say that Fusion makes a lot more sense for the average consumer. That's why it's selling so much. Computational performance is already high as-is. The main problem with PCs for some years to now has been the integrated graphics. What Fusion aims to do is to balance it out by providing good (for the avg. consumer) graphical and computational performance.

Enthusiasts and pro-sumers make less than 10% of the market, while Fusion aims to please the other 90%. Which one of the two do you think AMD is gonna mainly aim for and which one do you think is gonna give them higher profits? Exactly.

The Core i5 and i7 are Performance CPUs, not Mainstream, which is the Core i3.

 

[Abwx]

If they own 20% of the stock they can just put in a bid to buy the company. Nobody else out bids them, and the FTC approves it, and it's done. (IIRC hostile takeover procedures?)

They surely can buy all the shares, but they are also investors
would calculate the risks, and AMD share is in the junk bond area....

 

[Abwx]

From what I understood, though, I can say that Fusion makes a lot more sense for the average consumer. That's why it's selling so much.

Fairly right...

Computational performance is already high as-is. The main problem with PCs for some years to now has been the integrated graphics. What Fusion aims to do is to balance it out by providing good (for the avg. consumer) graphical and computational performance.

A K10.5 core is already a bottleneck for 400 integrated shaders
as in a A8-3850 , they had to uselessly increase the GPU size
to compensate for the weak CPU part.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Fairly right...



A K10.5 core is already a bottleneck for 400 integrated shaders
as in a A8-3850 , they had to uselessly increase the GPU size
to compensate for the weak CPU part.

Proof?

Pro tip: you won't find it. A Phenom II X4 at 3GHz is a bottleneck for a Radeon HD 6950 or GTX 560 Ti and higher.

The only bottleneck Llano suffers from is the need of more memory bandwidth for the IGP. When outfitted with 1600MHz RAM it stretches its legs.

 

[bryanW1995]

Are you talking about the cheapest CPU for LGA2011 or the cheapest hex core? I think one of you is talking about one, and the other about the other (and probably neither realizing that they are). The cheapest 1366 CPU would be the 920 or its replacements, and they cost a sight less than that.

Cheapest gulftown. it's very unlikely that a 6+ core SB-E is going to be less than the cheapest 6 core 1366 cpu, right?

 

[bryanW1995]

There's literally no way that AMD can be bought out. It is a bigger company and not as vulnerable as Nvidia. Plus a common sense analysis of AMD's future (fusion, etc.) would indicate at the very least that yes - they do have a future.

Bulldozer really doesn't matter as much as y'all think. It's an HPC part and HPC is important but mainstream computing is what reigns supreme.

apparently, the stock market disagrees with you:

http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:NVDA
http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:NVDA

7.19 billion vs 4.3 billion. That's within the margin of error though, right?

 

[3DVagabond]

They surely can buy all the shares, but they are also investors
would calculate the risks, and AMD share is in the junk bond area....

They don't have to buy all of the stocks. That's the expensive way of doing it.

 

[Idontcare]

17 really good, but over-worked and under-resourced engineers, four units of post-it notes, 2.5 cases of diet mt dew, 11 boxes of ati ruby tee-shirts (size x-small) and thirty boxes of #2 pencils.

lol

 

[3DVagabond]

Cheapest gulftown. it's very unlikely that a 6+ core SB-E is going to be less than the cheapest 6 core 1366 cpu, right?

If Bulldozer competes with it at ~$300, and it will be.

 

[bryanW1995]

They surely can buy all the shares, but they are also investors
would calculate the risks, and AMD share is in the junk bond area....

that seems a bit harsh. I said $4.3 billion US, not $4.3 billion mexican pesos.

If Bulldozer competes with it at ~$300, and it will be.

I hope that it does, but every time I ask my magic 8 ball "Will BD be competitive with a 6 core SB-E", I get "My sources say no". Maybe the magic 8 ball is just dithering ala charlie, but unfortunately I think that it's right in this case.

 

[Abwx]

They don't have to buy all of the stocks. That's the expensive way of doing it.

Once you have the majority , you must make an offer to the
remaining shareholders to buy their shares, and you must buy
the ones proposed by eventual sellers.

 

[RussianSensation]

http://www.xboxmb.com/forum/93-pc-related/62252-fx-8150p-benchmarks.html

FX-8150P Benchmarks - prob fake?

3DMark 2011: P6265 points
Cinebench R10 (64-bit): 24 434 points
Fritz Chess Benchmark: 14 197 kilo nodes per second
PCMark 7: 3045 points
Super Pi 1M: 19.5 seconds
x264-Benchmark: 136.29fps 1 pass, 45.4fps 2 pass

Are all these guys just copying each others #s over the net?