What are you talking about . Pure Hype and misdirection. Your comparring 4 moduls 8 real cores to intel 4 real cores. When it goes up against SB-E with 6/8 real cores it will be a run away . Whats with you guys . Cores do not = threads . No matter how hard you try ti change the definition it won't happen . SO AMD can compete with the 1155 chipset . Big deal. THats what I am saying . Before it was AMD BD will beat intels 8 real cores . Now its we can compete against 4 real intel cores . Its laughable and disingenious. There are tons of replies in alot of topics that are in the forum . Were I can show my words to be true and honest. Were as this mid range hype is a new development . Since the rumored cost of high end BD was made know. I can back my words up with earlier post . Frpm other members . That clearly show the bar was lowered considerably.
No you talk to intel and they will tell you straight out . They as a producer of CPUs as has yet to release its highend SB platiform Enthusiast if you insist . Until we see AMDS best against intels best your making a sensely debate . Apples to apples based on performance not cost . Since it is in FACT the performance that sets the PRICE. I asssure you Z68 SB 1155 is not Intels best. The 2011 socket and chipset are intels best . So many say lets wait for real results and thats what I will do wait for real results against AMDs best VS Intels best 2011 socket. Or aren't the reviewers going to bench the 2011 platiform. I may be annoying but I sure as hell won't overlook the fact that the bar for AMD was lower to mid high for AMD . Annoying yes, To some but true,
Gonna only be impressed with performance if energy consumption is about as good as sandy.
If Bulldozer can get a 15% better ipc then sandy while maybe consuming lets say 50 more watts, which cpu will be the better one?
Nemises posts are outright annoying.
Anyways, you talk to most people they will tell you $300 cpu IS definitely High-End. To me anything higher-than $$250 is high end. 2600K is definitely a high end cpu.
Its a shame that you have to spend $300 to get Intels full-featured quad core. I really can't stand Intel with how they've basically killed the overclocking market. No more $50 cpu's performing at $100-$140 cpus. Blah
I'm basing my opinion on the fact that most of my customers are cheapo's. They see $150 for just the cpu and say no way. I'm sure if you asked real customers if a $300 cpu is high-end they would mostly say yes. Probably even many enthusiests here would likewise see it as a high end cpu. I know if they are poor like me they would.
Gonna only be impressed with performance if energy consumption is about as good as sandy.
If Bulldozer can get a 15% better ipc then sandy while maybe consuming lets say 50 more watts, which cpu will be the better one?
BD will have a lower IPC then SB. AMD is on its third spin from what I have read so even AMD will not let BD out as it either has issues or does not perform well, or both.
I don't expect BD to have a better IPC but should offer more "cores" and perform better in programs that can use all the cores at once.
Honestly, I won't really believe anything until the final version shows up in an Anandtech review.
No you talk to intel and they will tell you straight out . They as a producer of CPUs as has yet to release its highend SB platiform Enthusiast if you insist . Until we see AMDS best against intels best your making a sensely debate . Apples to apples based on performance not cost . Since it is in FACT the performance that sets the PRICE. I asssure you Z68 SB 1155 is not Intels best. The 2011 socket and chipset are intels best . So many say lets wait for real results and thats what I will do wait for real results against AMDs best VS Intels best 2011 socket. Or aren't the reviewers going to bench the 2011 platiform. I may be annoying but I sure as hell won't overlook the fact that the bar for AMD was lower to mid high for AMD . Annoying yes, To some but true,
We have to wait for official benchmarks with final/retail version,until then we can really only speculate.
AMD only have to get the pricing right and they can't really fail,this is one area where they have always done quite well.
I'll probably get a Bulldozer if pricing is right and it offers decent performance,end of the day we all have different expectations.
Another point don't forget there will be a Bulldozer refresh down the road,just like what Intel does.
If Bulldozer can get a 15% better ipc then sandy while maybe consuming lets say 50 more watts, which cpu will be the better one?
So I take it that you share my lack of 100% certitude of reliability in these figures and/or the individual who obtained them?
Its subjective and depends on how much money you make. For my self I consider $500 and above highend.
Im sorry, but why on Earth would we compare a $320 8130P to a $1000+ SB-E just because each company says its their "best". You compare price to performance, so no, basically you are overlooking how good BD actually is for the price. Unless you actually bought the 990x, you have no room to talk.
This.
I never bother with these "leaked" benchmarks.
Also, its now nearly mid July, we were supposed to have BD shipping in June.
Sorry to sound like a tree hugger but that's more important to me then pure peformance
Then why are you looking at 8-core 125W CPUs? Perhaps IB on its 22nm will be more to your liking?
We all know If AMD could price at $1000 they would . But they can't So now people pollute the performance debates with Price and misdirection hype.
Have no need for more then 4 cores but i just went 2500k so unless Bulldozer blows Sandy out of the water i might be content for the next couple years